NS Exemption

[bryanzhi1]

Hi all,

I have recently been given a choice on whether or not to serve NS by the SAF MO and Psychiatrist.

I am really unsure about whether to serve or not, as I am going to poly via the ITE Higher NITEC route.

If I serve, I delay my entry to the workforce by 2 years, which means I would be going out to work at 27-28 years old.

If I do not serve, I would use the 2 years to study for a degree, possibly overseas. However, most people say that if I do not serve I will find it hard to find employment or buy insurance in the future, due to my NS records.

I will be posted as a clerk in PES E if I serve, as I was told.

Please share with me your experiences and thoughts.

Thank you.

 

[Kyoji83]

I used to work as HR in an organization which have a lot of business units. Each business unit can be a registered company in Singapore. One of my task is to combine all application forms into one form. One of the concern is NS section. While we do not care about the experience of NSman, we want to know if the serviceman is medical fit. That why the job application form you see in Singapore mostly only ask you about your full time NS & never ask you about your reservist such as NS rank, NS vocation & NS unit.

And after finding out you have mental health problem, I don't think employers are that friendly to hire you. That why I advice you to serve your NS cause Singapore is not a 'forgiving' country.

For insurance, you can always buy it if you do not declare it. However when you want to make claim, they will reject your claim because they will have your mental health records after investigation. So already no point buying it for some insurance policy.

Hi all,

I have recently been given a choice on whether or not to serve NS by the SAF MO and Psychiatrist.

I am really unsure about whether to serve or not, as I am going to poly via the ITE Higher NITEC route.

If I serve, I delay my entry to the workforce by 2 years, which means I would be going out to work at 27-28 years old.

If I do not serve, I would use the 2 years to study for a degree, possibly overseas. However, most people say that if I do not serve I will find it hard to find employment or buy insurance in the future, due to my NS records.

I will be posted as a clerk in PES E if I serve, as I was told.

Please share with me your experiences and thoughts.

Thank you.

 

[bryanzhi1]

I used to work as HR in an organization which have a lot of business units. Each business unit can be a registered company in Singapore. One of my task is to combine all application forms into one form. One of the concern is NS section. While we do not care about the experience of NSman, we want to know if the serviceman is medical fit. That why the job application form you see in Singapore mostly only ask you about your full time NS & never ask you about your reservist such as NS rank, NS vocation & NS unit.

And after finding out you have mental health problem, I don't think employers are that friendly to hire you. That why I advice you to serve your NS cause Singapore is not a 'forgiving' country.

For insurance, you can always buy it if you do not declare it. However when you want to make claim, they will reject your claim because they will have your mental health records after investigation. So already no point buying it for some insurance policy.

So even if I serve NS I would have trouble claiming insurance?

 

[Hailgod]

u just need to declare ur condition first. idk why this guy loves spreading false information but people dont just reject ur application like this.
Also, mainly gov orgs look at your ns records. private orgs cant be bothered.

 

[reddevil0728]

Hi all,

I have recently been given a choice on whether or not to serve NS by the SAF MO and Psychiatrist.

I am really unsure about whether to serve or not, as I am going to poly via the ITE Higher NITEC route.

If I serve, I delay my entry to the workforce by 2 years, which means I would be going out to work at 27-28 years old.

If I do not serve, I would use the 2 years to study for a degree, possibly overseas. However, most people say that if I do not serve I will find it hard to find employment or buy insurance in the future, due to my NS records.

I will be posted as a clerk in PES E if I serve, as I was told.

Please share with me your experiences and thoughts.

Thank you.

You have a medical condition serious enough that you were given a choice to serve or not to serve.

I think you have to ask yourself whether you are willing to give it a shot at challenging yourself to cope with your medical condition in a "work environment" even though the military might not be the best place, but it's a start.

Your condition is obviously not serious enough that they don't even give you the option. They gave you the option and PES E is what they decide you are still capable to performing at as a clerk.

At what age you come out to the work force should not be the key concern. No doubt it may be a bit later than the rest but what's important is, you must understand the working work is not as kind as you think it is compared to the military.

No doubt there are horror stories about the military, but then at least you can take these 2 years to have an understanding of how working life is. You have the added benefit of being able to serve and fk off unlike in the real working world, you not happy you quit lor, then no job.

Also I believe if you decided mid way through that you really can't take it anymore, I am pretty sure logically they can still let you downgrade to PES F and leave the military.

I used to work as HR in an organization which have a lot of business units. Each business unit can be a registered company in Singapore. One of my task is to combine all application forms into one form. One of the concern is NS section. While we do not care about the experience of NSman, we want to know if the serviceman is medical fit. That why the job application form you see in Singapore mostly only ask you about your full time NS & never ask you about your reservist such as NS rank, NS vocation & NS unit.

And after finding out you have mental health problem, I don't think employers are that friendly to hire you. That why I advice you to serve your NS cause Singapore is not a 'forgiving' country.

For insurance, you can always buy it if you do not declare it. However when you want to make claim, they will reject your claim because they will have your mental health records after investigation. So already no point buying it for some insurance policy.

even if he serves, if employers ask if he has any medical condition, he is still required to say if not integrity issue.

please don't teach him illegal stuff. If you don't declare your medical condition when u buy insurance and knowingly lie about it, that's illegal.

So even if I serve NS I would have trouble claiming insurance?

Don't listen to him teaching you illegal stuff...

u just need to declare ur condition first. idk why this guy loves spreading false information but people dont just reject ur application like this.
Also, mainly gov orgs look at your ns records. private orgs cant be bothered.

Kyoji83 just doesn't get it.

I wouldn't say private orgs can't be bothered. That maybe the conventional wisdom, but we can't say with 100% certainty they don't cause we aren't all of them.

 

[bryanzhi1]

Thank you all for your advice and sharing. I will take my time to consider my decision.

 

[Kyoji83]

For insurance, it is not about serving NS but declaration on your mental health condition. And it also depend on what you insurance policy you buy. If you buy saving plan, of course no problem. If you buy insurance death policy, then they may not approved it because you may have suicidal thoughts.

So even if I serve NS I would have trouble claiming insurance?

 

[Kyoji83]

Where got teach him illegal stuff? No declaration mean cannot claim insurance.

You have a medical condition serious enough that you were given a choice to serve or not to serve.

I think you have to ask yourself whether you are willing to give it a shot at challenging yourself to cope with your medical condition in a "work environment" even though the military might not be the best place, but it's a start.

Your condition is obviously not serious enough that they don't even give you the option. They gave you the option and PES E is what they decide you are still capable to performing at as a clerk.

At what age you come out to the work force should not be the key concern. No doubt it may be a bit later than the rest but what's important is, you must understand the working work is not as kind as you think it is compared to the military.

No doubt there are horror stories about the military, but then at least you can take these 2 years to have an understanding of how working life is. You have the added benefit of being able to serve and fk off unlike in the real working world, you not happy you quit lor, then no job.

Also I believe if you decided mid way through that you really can't take it anymore, I am pretty sure logically they can still let you downgrade to PES F and leave the military.

even if he serves, if employers ask if he has any medical condition, he is still required to say if not integrity issue.

please don't teach him illegal stuff. If you don't declare your medical condition when u buy insurance and knowingly lie about it, that's illegal.


Don't listen to him teaching you illegal stuff...


Kyoji83 just doesn't get it.

I wouldn't say private orgs can't be bothered. That maybe the conventional wisdom, but we can't say with 100% certainty they don't cause we aren't all of them.

 

[reddevil0728]

Where got teach him illegal stuff? No declaration mean cannot claim insurance.

If you are required to declare any medical condition, and you don't declare, ain't that illegal?

 

[Kyoji83]

This guy loves spreading false information.

I saw PES E Clerk able to get a DXO job but a PES B formation nsmen of the year award holder are unable to even get a job interview in Mindef or other public/government organizations. So this can prove that your NS record does not matter in public/government organizations.

To add on, put yourself in Recruiter & Hiring Manager position. They have ton of applicants & why should they hire you over them when they do not have medical condition? If they want to hire you, they also have to consider that when you break down, you needs to take last minute leave & you may required more sick leave to visit your Psychiatrist compare to your peer without medical condition. Whether you like it or not, majorly of them end up doing part time jobs rather then what they are trained for.

u just need to declare ur condition first. idk why this guy loves spreading false information but people dont just reject ur application like this.
Also, mainly gov orgs look at your ns records. private orgs cant be bothered.

 

[Kyoji83]

Base on this sentence, you are correct. But I am not teaching him not to declare any medical condition but rather discouraging from doing so by sharing with him an example of 'no declaration mean cannot claim insurance'.

If you are required to declare any medical condition, and you don't declare, ain't that illegal?

 

[reddevil0728]

This guy loves spreading false information.

I saw PES E Clerk able to get a DXO job but a PES B formation nsmen of the year award holder are unable to even get a job interview in Mindef or other public/government organizations. So this can prove that your NS record does not matter in public/government organizations.

To add on, put yourself in Recruiter & Hiring Manager position. They have ton of applicants & why should they hire you over them when they do not have medical condition? If they want to hire you, they also have to consider that when you break down, you needs to take last minute leave & you may required more sick leave to visit your Psychiatrist compare to your peer without medical condition. Whether you like it or not, majorly of them end up doing part time jobs rather then what they are trained for.

He said they look at but he never say it makes a material difference. You cannot even get that. *shakes head*.

What you said is really false information...

PES E clerk can get DXO job, but PES B formation nsmen of the year award holder cannot get a job interview doesn't prove anything....

logically, no employers would want to hire people with a lot of medical problem be it physical. This doesn't logic doesn't limit to employers in the public sector, private too.

Base on this sentence, you are correct. But I am not teaching him not to declare any medical condition but rather discouraging from doing so by sharing with him an example of 'no declaration mean cannot claim insurance'.

what rubbish. u r discouraging him from doing so when he has to declare if he wants to buy insurance? That's basically telling him, is either you lie about it or you don't buy insurance.

 

[Kyoji83]

He said they look at but he never say it makes a material difference. You cannot even get that. *shakes head*.

What you said is really false information...

PES E clerk can get DXO job, but PES B formation nsmen of the year award holder cannot get a job interview doesn't prove anything....

logically, no employers would want to hire people with a lot of medical problem be it physical. This doesn't logic doesn't limit to employers in the public sector, private too.

Don't needs to talk about public sector. Let talk about government sector like Mindef.

The "Formation of the Year Awards" are presented annually to outstanding NSmen by their respective formations. Winners of this Award are identified by their formations and each formation can present a maximum of three awards annually.

Only limited servicemen will get Formation Nsman of the Year Award & they are proven outstanding compare to other servicemen.

If Mindef see NS record for recruitment, at least will also call Formation of the Year Award holder for job interview & have more chance to secure the job compare to other servicemen.

However this is not the case because Formation of the Year Award holder was not even call up for a job interview.

So this prove that NS record does not really matter to a certain extend.

what rubbish. u r discouraging him from doing so when he has to declare if he wants to buy insurance? That's basically telling him, is either you lie about it or you don't buy insurance.

Nevermind you still don't get it lol.

 

[reddevil0728]

Don't needs to talk about public sector. Let talk about government sector like Mindef.

The "Formation of the Year Awards" are presented annually to outstanding NSmen by their respective formations. Winners of this Award are identified by their formations and each formation can present a maximum of three awards annually.

Only limited servicemen will get Formation Nsman of the Year Award & they are proven outstanding compare to other servicemen.

If Mindef see NS record for recruitment, at least will also call Formation of the Year Award holder for job interview & have more chance to secure the job compare to other servicemen.

However this is not the case because Formation of the Year Award holder was not even call up for a job interview.

So this prove that NS record does not really matter to a certain extend.

noted

Nevermind you still don't get it lol.

lol ok... it's ok... have a lot of records of you saying yourself about your challenge in understanding what people is saying cause of your poor command of english.