NTU Philosophy or Engineering?

[nyvrem]

So where are you now? Are you in grad school now? Curious to know.

Been working as a teacher for the last 4 years, but recently accepted into graduate school at Harvard.

Haven't decided if I should start this August or do a deferment and start next year.

 

[bugmenot45]

But doing a 'general' philosophy degree - you might as well sign up for UoL and study yourself and take the yearly exams. Pass 10 exam papers and you get a Philosophy degree (it's cheap too! like 9k for all the exams).

imo, TS will get a better (and cheaper) education doing Philosophy through UOL international self-study instead of NTU.

 

[Bonadaly]

I majored in Philosophy (and politics and econs) !
But I didn't do it at some half **** 3rd world local Uni.



Go for Engineering la. It's more practical in this country. If you're not R&D, least you can find sales job. You can move onto an MBA and into business field later on. With Philosophy, you can't really do alot of concrete stuff here.

When people talked about critical thinking skills blah blah blah, the whole rubbish load. That only works well if the person (who studied Philosophy) is actually applying whatever was taught. In all honestly, critical thinking, arguing, and all the very 'philosophical skills' are stuff that you either have it or don't have it in you. Everyone can learn how to play football - but you need to have that 'thing' in you to make it at the top like Messi or Ronaldo.

Talking about running away from maths, in philosophy - there's a concentration in logic. Let's you eventually go into data analytics. Pretty damn good for the higher end specialized jobs. But doing a 'general' philosophy degree - you might as well sign up for UoL and study yourself and take the yearly exams. Pass 10 exam papers and you get a Philosophy degree (it's cheap too! like 9k for all the exams). You can't really do that with an engineering degree.

But do what you please and what feels right to you. No point entering a course and feeling unhappy throughout, but please don't go into any course with the mindset of 'having a degree for the sake of having a degree' If you're going to do that, maybe it's best to save your parents money and take some time to think what you want (explore). I did philosophy because my end goal was to get a PHD in philosophy to become a lecturer. A basic degree was just a stepping stone.

I love to teach.

Yes it cannot be taught. But this attraction to truth can be rekindled by a great teacher....as Plato said

 

[Bonadaly]

Been working as a teacher for the last 4 years, but recently accepted into graduate school at Harvard.

Haven't decided if I should start this August or do a deferment and start next year.

You teach philosophy?

 

[nyvrem]

You teach philosophy?

One day I shell.
Already secured a gig at my Uni for TA while I do my Masters.
Needs that PhD from some elitist school to bridge that red tape.

 

[nyvrem]

Yes it cannot be taught. But this attraction to truth can be rekindled by a great teacher....as Plato said

Truth is so relative to how the world evolves.

 

[rollbread]

hi guys!

I got offered NTU's Philosophy as well as NTU's IEM.
I am in a dilemma.

why choose 2 that are in very different areas? Surprised that the offer from 2 years ago still stand, don't they have a deadline for you to accept if not will be cancelled?

Anyway, no offence but somehow I feel that Philosophy is for those who wants a easier course just to attain a degree.

 

[Bonadaly]

Truth is so relative to how the world evolves.

There are different categories of Truth........

 

[Bonadaly]

why choose 2 that are in very different areas? Surprised that the offer from 2 years ago still stand, don't they have a deadline for you to accept if not will be cancelled?

Anyway, no offence but somehow I feel that Philosophy is for those who wants a easier course just to attain a degree.

Easier????????? Try doing it......Not just reading the book and thinking you know what it is........

 

[McFadden]

imo, TS will get a better (and cheaper) education doing Philosophy through UOL international self-study instead of NTU.

have you tried the uol international self study before?

 

[bugmenot45]

Why Some M.B.A.s Are Reading Plato - WSJ

 

[LightFang]

ts if it's not that dam expensive and you had alrdy plot a course for your life then go for Philosophy.

As i have seen many articles about America having many graduates with liberal arts degrees but is not able to get a job that pays well with their degree.

Then again there's many famous people that has philosophy degrees but choose to practice philosophy in another field of endeavour. Like example Bruce Lee that used philosophy in his life.

This is coming from a person that's has not much exposure towards philosophy except reading just a book called "Letters from a Stoic" by Seneca.
Letters from a Stoic (Penguin Classics): Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Robin Campbell: 9780140442106: Amazon.com: Books

 

[Bonadaly]

Life lesson #1: Don't listen to people who have limited understanding of philosophy.......

ts if it's not that dam expensive and you had alrdy plot a course for your life then go for Philosophy.

As i have seen many articles about America having many graduates with liberal arts degrees but is not able to get a job that pays well with their degree.

Then again there's many famous people that has philosophy degrees but choose to practice philosophy in another field of endeavour. Like example Bruce Lee that used philosophy in his life.

This is coming from a person that's has not much exposure towards philosophy except reading just a book called "Letters from a Stoic" by Seneca.
Letters from a Stoic (Penguin Classics): Lucius Annaeus Seneca, Robin Campbell: 9780140442106: Amazon.com: Books

 

[Valkyrie]

actually you can always take IEM and then do Philosophy as a minor or 2nd major what?

Anyway for career prospect, IEM also not very good.

So just do what you like.

But do note that philosophy and the other social sciences are not easy subjects. If you are taking them because you think they are easier, you will be in deep shock.

 

[LightFang]

Life lesson #1: Don't listen to people who have limited understanding of philosophy.......

There's interesting may i know what's your take on employment status of liberal arts graduate besides working in the academic field? I'll love to hear that from you

 

[nyvrem]

There's interesting may i know what's your take on employment status of liberal arts graduate besides working in the academic field? I'll love to hear that from you

I don't think you can count local Philosophy graduates as true 'liberal arts' graduates, since their only focus is Philosophy and nothing else, or limited exposure to other fields of study.

The liberal arts education was meant for one to study different fields to get more exposure, eventually choosing one field to 'major'.

But with regards to employment, I personally think its unfair to compare different degrees and their employment prospects in Singapore. The country's focus of employment has always been STEM graduates. Singapore's not a major center for thought. As such, we'll never see the development of organizations that can employ liberal arts graduates.

But look on the bright side - most local graduates who studied liberal arts probably have full time employment right as we speak - with a Gov statboard doing mundane work, that had nothing related to what they study. Yet they still draw a decent salary. That's all that matters in this country.

 

[-Wanderer-]

You should be posting here: NTU - www.hardwarezone.com.sg

 

[Weaboo]

Life lesson #1: Don't listen to people who have limited understanding of philosophy.......

"Do "Philosophers" behave arrogantly about their own knowledge?"

 

[LightFang]

"Do "Philosophers" behave arrogantly about their own knowledge?"

Now there, some people may not have the particular intelligence to be able take in another person's point of view. The only thing we could wish is that person gain more intelligence to able to take in another person's point of view and think.

 

[Green_Emerald]

Yepp I agree sometimes. But it is also worth noting that the other person may not have the privilege to obtain that knowledge and intelligence due to their upbringing, and life experience, or even taught to think logically with evidence. It takes a little training and self-determination.

Now there, some people may not have the particular intelligence to be able take in another person's point of view. The only thing we could wish is that person gain more intelligence to able to take in another person's point of view and think.