NUS Chemical Engineering or SIT Pharmaceutical Engineering?

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I have less than 10 days to make my decision before 1st June, and I still don't know which one to pick.

What sort of information should I be looking at? I've been trying to figure out, for both NUS and SIT, what student life is like (e.g. exams/coursework vs practical work, obtaining of knowledge required to do my work and pass exams), how their module system works (do the grades of all modules depend solely on exams, or is it more spread out over homework and tests, how module bidding works, how badly the bell curve will affect someone who struggles to study and score already, does SIT have a bell curve, etc), and reliable sources of information about both universities. Would my life be any easier in SIT due to less paperwork, or will I end up having to study and work even harder for my industrial program and other hands-on work?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much!
 

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For NUS, mostly exam, not much project work. I NUS applied science degree.. so I not sure eng degree... but I heard is that there is compulsory FYP in year 4 which can give u experience in research work.... if your grades are good , you will get honours degree...

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I'm afraid I can't keep up with NUS's pace of work and studies, but I'm also afraid SIT's project work may turn out to be just as punishing.
 

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I'm afraid I can't keep up with NUS's pace of work and studies, but I'm also afraid SIT's project work may turn out to be just as punishing.
You got any chem eng background? If yes then you can safely take nus. I got into sit pharma eng. Pharma and is quite similar to chem eng. The only diff maybe a few modules diff like pharma eng got more biopharma eng. For me I don't really like this field. Go to nus for the name. Nus sure will be competitive. I can assure u that but if u got no chem eng background it might be hard for u.

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You got any chem eng background? If yes then you can safely take nus. I got into sit pharma eng. Pharma and is quite similar to chem eng. The only diff maybe a few modules diff like pharma eng got more biopharma eng. For me I don't really like this field. Go to nus for the name. Nus sure will be competitive. I can assure u that but if u got no chem eng background it might be hard for u.

Nope, no background in any sort of engineering.

So the syllabus is quite similar?

I have no plans to go overseas or much in the way of high-reaching goals. I just want to get though uni, and I'm afraid I can't keep up in NUS. Will SIT be much easier and/or better?

Are the people at NUS more competitive compared to SIT? Will I have a better social environment at SIT?
 

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NUS grading system is based on bell curve. Hence it is competitive. However, There will be no bell curve if the number of students taking the particular module is less than 30 and will be based on raw score.

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Nope, no background in any sort of engineering.

So the syllabus is quite similar?

I have no plans to go overseas or much in the way of high-reaching goals. I just want to get though uni, and I'm afraid I can't keep up in NUS. Will SIT be much easier and/or better?

Are the people at NUS more competitive compared to SIT? Will I have a better social environment at SIT?

I'm not quite sure about SIT but I feel anywhere you go there will be competition. There's no easy way out. You must have interest in order to really score well. That's from my personal experience. You got into NUS chem eng and it's quite huge! Not anyone can go into that course. I heard from my lecturers that you need a GPA 4 (poly) to get into NUS chem eng. With a B.eng you can go to any other field besides petrolchem plant. I don't know you personally so it's abit hard for me to advice also. But i feel that if you were offered a place in NUS chem, I think you can do well. Like i said previously, not anyone can get into this course. So think wisely?
 

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hello silverhunter,

i have just completed/'graduated' the chem eng course (and receiving said results next monday on the 30th, what joy); while i am in no position to elucidate on SIT's degree (and i like to think that its a rather respectable course too), i've decided to break out of my lurking mode and actually create an account to try to provide you with more information on how chem eng life is in NUS (from the eyes of a current/just graduated student).

for the purpose of discussion, i will not mention anything about UE (unrestricted electives) nor SS (singapore studies) modules since you're free to decide what you want to prescribe to; i will give you a brief synopsis of the mandatory modules you will encounter. for module bidding stuff, you may be able to get more information via CORS, or (surprise surprise) the NUS lip lai thread from other seniors. there're some intricacies associated with module bidding (such as sniping), but in my personal experience, you'll rarely need it since all core modules are largely auto-wins with the exception of technical electives.

the four years you'll experience in chem eng can be broken down as follow:

year 1: core fundamental engineering mods - we're talking about MA1505/1506 (maths), IT1005 (matlab), CM1501/1502 (general, organic chemistry), and the list goes on. you can go to the NUS chem eng website to get the full listing on what are the main prescribed modules you are required to take. of particular note i would direct you is CN1111 (fundamental principles of chem eng). while not always 100% true, i guess CN1111 can be used as a barometer in deciding whether chem eng is indeed suitable for you (or if you'll be able to cope with subsequent CN mods). you can actually try googling 'Elementary Principles of Chemical Engineering' by felder & rousseau and give it a read; see if it is your cup of tea.

these mods are largely hard facts i.e. mostly mugging, sans those CM/IT lab modules. also exception to IT1005/CN1111 (you will realize that the lecturer is rather innovative in terms of exam questions; only if you truly know the content inside out and not just mere memorization, can you actually perform well.)

also, i find that year 1 was the most difficult for me since you're facing against the ENTIRE engineering cohort for those core modules, and everyone's pretty good at it too. that said, with the free SU's given to you as a freshman now, that should give you some breathing space (hopefully).

modules in this year are largely split into mid terms and finals (and lab if applicable). weightage varies based on module so its not wise for me to give you exact values but as a ballpark measurement, its between 30-70 ish. (this is not an excuse to screw up your mid terms though; you'll realize that every mark will help, or hurt you badly).

year 2: core CN modules; fluid mechanics, heat and mass transfer, particle technology, reaction kinetics. basically, the heart of this course takes place at this year. also, CN2108 (lab I) related to concepts taught in CN modules.

lab grouping are randomized based on which day you've bidded for. (presumably to simulate real life working condition where you've to work with people that you have never met before). hopefully you'll have good luck and get people who're hardworking or willing to go the extra mile. shocking, but even in this course there are actually people who are freeloading off others, and this is not limited to foreigners (some singaporeans are also freeloaders too, which totally disgust me as a local too).

grading system again is similar to year 1 for most modules, mid term and finals (with some permutations such as term papers).

year 3: deeper core CN modules; HSE, process safety, process control, separation processes (distillation columns, stripping columns, etc). also, industrial attachment (six months at a company/organization) with night technical electives (TE) taught by professors/external companies such as CN5191 (project engineering) or CN5111 (optimization).

also, lab II and lab III (CN3108/3109). CN3108 will be the toughest of all labs given that a) its 4MC and b) the content of the lab will physically and mentally drain you. survive this, and you'll be well conditioned for CN3109 (which is so much more relaxed than 3108 for me).

IA is not graded (unlike poly, thank god) in terms of A/B/C/D etc; its graded based on CS(satisfactory) or CU (unsatisfactory). as long as you're not giving crappy interm and final reports to your professor you'll do just fine for IA.

all other core modules in this year also follow the same format, mid terms and finals, with/without term papers etc.

year 4: more technical electives. pharma/fmcg mods (GMP, biochemicals, food tech, etc), process/ oil and gas mods (petroleum ref, downstream, optimization, pinch analysis, etc).

grading for TE varies wildly; if you're taking project based mods then you'll encounter mid terms and a final report/presentation. if you're taking standard modules then its the standard mid terms/final type.

in this year, you have two major hurdles: final year project (FYP) and design project.

for FYP, you will be required to solo a single project topic that can either be proposed by yourself, or from a list of topics proposed by particular professors. there're a range of research topics to select, from experimental ones all the way to computational (such as optimization or computational fluid dynamics). this will be a major test of self-discipline, as you'll control how much you want to progress in this (and consequently, how well you'll perform).

don't quote me on this, but i believe that they're revamping the system such that a) industrial attachment is now a compulsory module (which is the right thing imo since working experience is king, no amount of academic studies can substitute for it, and also experiencing actual working environment/politics first hand if you're unfortunate), b) final year project becomes an optional module (either you take FYP, or you replace it with 3 technical electives. good for those who don't intend to pursue further studies and are content with just a degree).

also, this is the juncture where if you've been gliding/been on cruise control for the past three years, you'll be adequately challenged with the design project. you'll be required to do design project (i.e. creating an entire plant from scratch using simulations and all other means based on what you've learnt) with 6-7 other peers. you will find that teamwork and coordination is essential in order to succeed in this major module (given that its 7MC worth); i've seen first hand on groups who were intially friendly with each other at the start of the project collapsed under the strain of the project.

be prepared to work very, very hard on this project; the sky is the limit as to how much you're willing to go in order to perform well since there are no limitations (even to the point of overnighting in labs - no, i am not joking).

all project works are generally punishing (largely in part due to communication/co-ordination with others, and i agree that it is pretty tiring when you and your team-mates are not on the same wavelength), but if you think of it as a learning experience, you will find that you're prepared to cope with all sorts of stuff when you start working.

(its sort of a running joke that this course is so pressurizing it can turn carbon into diamonds.)

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on grades - there is no escaping the bell curve for most (if not all modules), and it depends in part on yourself and your peers as well. personally, i feel that if you actually devote some solid extent of effort, a B or a B+ should be attainable; anything else higher such as a A-/A/A+ are sort of a bonus to me at least.

an exception to the rule is if the cohort size for the module is too small as mentioned by Ocw655, which may be applicable to TE's. however, this again is at the discretion of the professor/department.

my advise? don't think of the bell curve too much.

always remember - just do your best, and it will work out by itself. you can't control the bell curve, but you can control how much you've learnt and take away from the module, and how much you really know pertaining to the subject/module at hand.

why fuss over something that will never be in your control?

(it works out for me at least, ha ha; my grades largely vary wildly from B+ to A+'s).

also, uni is a good time to get away from the crazy, mindless mugging mindset in JC which i've experienced (and almost died for it figuratively); i emphasize that understanding and remembering a concept/idea are two wildly different creatures, and it will do you a world of goodness if you can truly master the content by actually knowing how it is.

my apologies for the wall of text, hopefully this will help you in making that (momentous) decision!
 
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Elementary principles of chemical engineering. By felder & Rousseau. I use this textbook for CM1161 and CM 2161.. all about mass and energy balance..

Btw, I am NUS applied chemistry major graduated 2 years ago( no honours though, my grades too low to do honours project, science faculty need good grades to do honours, unlike engineering faculty, which is compulsory ).. closed down 4 years ago and this course is no longer offers by NUS as chemistry department merger both Chemistry major and Applied Chemistry major into one and only chemistry course with specialisation option..

Module bidding using CORES, general education modules, Singapore studies modules... lab group bidding.. internship ...relieve the memories of my uni days

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If offered NUS Chem Eng... take lah.. 20yrs ago already elite engineering branch... inside like easily 50% perfect A-level score plus book prize winners from top JCs.... and also bunch of medicine rejects.... i would imagine nothing less than perfect score to be granted admission now loh.. given the much intense competition....

But then again... if u do not thrive in a highly pressurized environment... it may be wise to choose something that suits your studying style... bring out the best in you rather than crash/burn-out in a pressure cooker....
 

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But then again... if u do not thrive in a highly pressurized environment... it may be wise to choose something that suits your studying style... bring out the best in you rather than crash/burn-out in a pressure cooker....

This is my top concern. Will SIT help me go through university with less stress and pressure? Or is the difficulty there still comparable to NUS?

The way I've been studying and passing exams, I'd been going by sheer luck and the help of people who can't help me any further. I fear I'll just crash and burn in NUS.
 

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Will I get more support for studies in NUS or SIT?

what kind of support are you referring to exactly - financial? academic? or something else?

if its the former, you need not worry for there are bursaries/financial assistance available. some of my friends do make good use of it, and none of them have any complains about it so i will presume that it will not lead you to a debt trap like universities in the US.

if its the latter, you will find that more often than not, you will have to rely on yourself (and possibly your group of close friends in the cohort) for support. help from professors are often few and far in between (it depends on how willing they are to help), and you are expected to actually try/work on your own first before seeking help/consultation from them. while there's mentorship in chem eng (students attached to a particular lecturer/professor for the duration of the 4 years) such that students are able to seek recourse/advice if needed, it is my personal belief that not many people actually adhere or even use it at all (since the professors are pretty much tied up teaching/publishing academic papers etc etc; for the record i've not used it either).

can't say much for SIT, but i suppose this should hold true for most universities.
 

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NUS Chem engineering is better. SIT Pharm eng is new degree... May not as good as NUS chem eng...

yes true, also better to maintain second upper at least. if you think u will die inside then I suggest take a easier degree, inside got straight A ppl also struggle
 

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If anyone is looking to be a process engineer in pharma industry, feel free to PM me, my department(production) looking for PE. working in tuas south
 
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