Nvidia RTX5000 up to +30% better than RTX4000 (only!)

[noobiee]

ptsd from 2020 release...

 

[R6exR6]

Watching all the 5090/80 beta-testers be like .......

 

[BlackWing1977]

Source: https://wccftech.com/nvidia-blackwe...-significant-improvement-cache-sm-throughput/

GPU NAME	GB202 (Blackwell, RTX5000)	AD102 (Lovelace, RTX4000)
GPC	12 (Per GPU)?	12 (Per GPU)
TPC	8 (Per GPC)?	6 (Per GPC)
SM	2 (Per TPC)?	2 (Per TPC)
Total SMs	192? (+33%)	144
Sub-Core	TBD	4 (Per SM)
FP32	128 (Per SM)?	128 (Per SM)
FP32+INT32	TBD	192 (Per SM)
CUDA Cores	24,567? (+33%)	18,432
Warps	TBD	64 (Per SM)
Threads	TBD	2048 (Per SM)

GENERATION	BLACKWELL	ADA LOVELACE	AMPERE	TURING	PASCAL
Process Node	TSMC 3nm? 5nm+ (4NP)?	TSMC 5nm (4N)	Samsung 8nm	TSMC 12nm	TSMC 16nm
Launch Year	2024	2022	2020	2018	2016
Ultra-Enthusiast SKU	GB202	AD102 (RTX4090)	GA102	TU102	GP102
Enthusiast SKU	GB203	AD103 (RTX4080, 4070Ti Super)	GA102	TU104	GP104
High-End SKU	GB205	AD104 (RTX4070)	GA104	TU106	GP104
Mainstream SKU	GB206	AD106 (RTX4060)	GA106	TU106	GP106
Entry-Level SKU	GB207	AD107 (RTX4050)	GA107	TU116/117	GP107

Based on the article above, here is my opinion:

Main point: still manufactured on 5nm TSMC fab process, but enhanced.
Key improvement: 30% more transistors, with my estimation +15% more power (yikes!)
Result: a "Super" upgrade, with Displayport 2.1

Example:
RTX5090 = RTX4090 Super
RTX5080 = RTX4080 Super Super,
RTX5070 = RTX4070 TI Super.

IMO, since AMD have poor raytracing performance, RTX5000 will be priced:
+30% above RTX4000 series in first year of launch because it will be selling concurrently with existing stock of RTX4000 series. Then price cut in 2nd year to match RTX4000 pricing after the old stock are sold out.

The key to lower pricing is AMD launching GPU with faster RT hardware support.

But problem is Nvidia fans want AMD launching GPU with faster RT hardware support but ultimately is want Nvidia to drop price so that they can buy cheaper Nvidia GPU while still not supporting AMD ar??

 

[BlackWing1977]

Regret buying AMD gpu now?

Nope. I avoided melting power connector problem... and still happily using.. fact is I hardly got chance to render any Ray Tracing games also..

 

[nckai]

hopefully 12v-2x6 wont melt with 600w, but a lot people havent got their card yet so only time will tell

May I ask which cable should I use? The 12VHPWR that comes with the PSU or the 12V-2x6 adapter that comes with the GPU?

 

[Phen8210]

Watching all the 5090/80 beta-testers be like .......

Not that big of a deal, nvidia fix stuff very fast one, last time i got a 3070 also got issues on first driver, 2nd driver already fix the sleep wake up crash issue.

 

[justln]

Yeah.. just make do with whatever you have on hand... still using AMD 7900XTX.... and I dun even bother buying CyberPunk.. which I feel is basically a tech demo by Nvidia...

I keep a list of games I cannot play on my current rig so I might remember to play them when I upgrade graphics card.

 

[KYZT2021]

arh yes good old user issue

 

[justln]

https://www.carousell.sg/p/nvidia-g...arch&t-referrer_sort_by=popular&t-tap_index=2

3.5k for 5080 FE.

 

[BlackWing1977]

I keep a list of games I cannot play on my current rig so I might remember to play them when I upgrade graphics card.

I can play them but no motivation to play or no motivation to actually buy them as price of games keep increasing also... I always wait for a few years for big discount then buy them.... some have so much DLC like Street Fighter series.. until I just give up since I dun play online also...

 

[BlackWing1977]

If MSRP is USD $1999 for RTX 5090 and local cheapest is SGD $4999, we are talking about 183% of the MSRP....

 

[Psychedelic Senses]

Still waiting for the first dude here to show off his shiny 5090 after paying over 5k for it purely for gaming purposes. Wanna congratulate him.

 

[Kusanagi]

Zotac 5080 Solid OC for sale on Newegg now

aaaaand it's gone

 

[Phen8210]

5080 SGD2k still got people buy?

 

[ahbard]

5080 SGD2k still got people buy?

Of cos. Astral 2.7k. 2k cheap cheap. Some more they going kenna tariffs. No more 2k for them.

 

[alauz]

Still waiting for the first dude here to show off his shiny 5090 after paying over 5k for it purely for gaming purposes. Wanna congratulate him.

Hahaha maybe me? But no stock until maybe... 6-7 Feb when MSI officially do stock in worldwide (MSI officially push back sales to 6 Feb), my current supplier telling me that he's hunting one that will fit in my SFF PC, NR200P Max... have to upgrade PSU from 850W to 1000W also... after that my 4090 will go to my wife for new build. I not buying from Aftershock because I dealt with their customer service previously and I had a terrible time, despite buying at the highest end, they treat their customer like ****. So I changed vendor and quite happy with them.

To be 100% fair, my current SFF build costs about 5.5k because of MSI 4090. 9800X3D (Upgraded from 7800X3D), Strix X870-I (X670E-I previously, got no clear CMOS button... ***** stupid design), 64GB 6000MHz, 2TB 980 Pro, 2TB SN850X and NR200P Max. The 5090 on its own look to cost the entirety of the best of the best build previously.

Still I'd probably upgrade since I play around with local LLMs and can't wait to play around with the various LLMs e.g. the latest DeepSeek without Quantization, Quantization drops performance by too much to make any sense on a 4090. E.g. 8Q drops token rate to 1/8, 4Q drops it to 1/4 and 2Q drops it by 1/2. If can fit into VRAM without Quantization, performance doubles or quadruples depending on how many Q you are forced to run the model previously.

 

[Ferolare]

But problem is Nvidia fans want AMD launching GPU with faster RT hardware support but ultimately is want Nvidia to drop price so that they can buy cheaper Nvidia GPU while still not supporting AMD ar??

I dont care about Nvidia dropping price tbh - I just want to see local prices make sense

Then again, I'm not a Nvidia fan so...

 

[Chevalier]

Hahaha maybe me? But no stock until maybe... 6-7 Feb when MSI officially do stock in worldwide (MSI officially push back sales to 6 Feb), my current supplier telling me that he's hunting one that will fit in my SFF PC, NR200P Max... have to upgrade PSU from 850W to 1000W also... after that my 4090 will go to my wife for new build. I not buying from Aftershock because I dealt with their customer service previously and I had a terrible time, despite buying at the highest end, they treat their customer like ****. So I changed vendor and quite happy with them.

To be 100% fair, my current SFF build costs about 5.5k because of MSI 4090. 9800X3D (Upgraded from 7800X3D), Strix X870-I (X670E-I previously, got no clear CMOS button... ***** stupid design), 64GB 6000MHz, 2TB 980 Pro, 2TB SN850X and NR200P Max. The 5090 on its own look to cost the entirety of the best of the best build previously.

Still I'd probably upgrade since I play around with local LLMs and can't wait to play around with the various LLMs e.g. the latest DeepSeek without Quantization, Quantization drops performance by too much to make any sense on a 4090. E.g. 8Q drops token rate to 1/8, 4Q drops it to 1/4 and 2Q drops it by 1/2. If can fit into VRAM without Quantization, performance doubles or quadruples depending on how many Q you are forced to run the model previously.

Bruh. Your use case is so unique and niche. I enjoy seeing folks like you putting the AI Prowess to good use.

 

[alauz]

Bruh. Your use case is so unique and niche. I enjoy seeing folks like you putting the AI Prowess to good use.

While I play around with AI mostly, I also game about 5-10 hours a week. It's nice to have a GPU that can do both.

 

[zephxion]

5080 SGD2k still got people buy?

Only Zotac 5080s are SGD2k. Every other AIB the prices are like 2.2k up