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Regarding term life do you guys purchase from agent or direct? The premium for direct is cheaper but I hope that in the event of my demise, having an agent will enable the claims process to be smoother.


cheaper coz u cut out the middle man.

but, DPI only up to 400k.. if you need more than that, u have to go thru agent
and i read somewhere that the for DPI CIs, it doesnt cover the full 37 CI list (this needs to be confirmed), something like 30 , i think..
 

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If you don't like the idea of it being Asia-focused, there are global high yield bond funds available on other exchanges.
I don’t because we’ve actually had an (the) Asian Financial Crisis, and not that long ago. I don’t see why Asia is necessarily better than any other planetary region.

Yes, there are global junk bond index funds. You can also steer the other way and get a global sovereign bond index fund. Or some of both.
 

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Thanks BBCWatcher

5. Do you keep cash in saving accounts in Singapore and if so which ones you are using at the moment?

6. Which credit cards (issued by banks in Singapore) you are currently holding? I just have to ask this question. You always come up with unknown but brilliant CC. You won't have to mention ICBC Travel and CIMB cards, I know how much you like them.
 

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hmm.. not sure if junk bonds are a good idea for a retiree.
something that offers a good night sleep for an old man will be good.

There's a HUGE difference between buying junk bonds and buying junk bonds fund.
If you buy one junk bond and it defaults you are badly screwed, but if you buy a junk bond fund, even if a few of the bonds inside default, you still come out ahead.

If we take for example O9P/QL3 with a weighted average YTM of 7.15%. On a bad year, maybe 3% of the bonds will default, and return only 40% of principle. The yield will then be 97 * 1.0715 + 3 * 0.4 = 5.14%, minus 0.5% fee.

If you look at the past performance of such bond funds, the defaults are all taken into account.
 
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5. Do you keep cash in saving accounts in Singapore and if so which ones you are using at the moment?
Sure, but I don’t have anything particularly magical or special to suggest that I haven’t already mentioned.

6. Which credit cards (issued by banks in Singapore) you are currently holding? I just have to ask this question. You always come up with unknown but brilliant CC. You won't have to mention ICBC Travel and CIMB cards, I know how much you like them.
UOB’s UnionPay Platinum credit card is mildly interesting for local Singapore dollar spending since it has a simple, flat, no minimum/no maximum 2% rebate. The occasional promotions are decent. But UnionPay acceptance is still spotty, and a lot of cashiers struggle with it. Also, while there’s a 3 year annual fee waiver (pretty generous by Singapore standards), you have to request (and may not get) a waiver after that.
 

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No, you can just double up (two policies up to $400K each, for example). And there’s some wisdom in that.

http://www.fundsupermart.com/insura..._VMVMRQUU9GHE_g0RIozseqY75wSCHAXspC!761627065

3) Critical Illness (CI)
There are differences in the number of critical illness definitions between DPI and Non-DPI products. DPI products cover 30 CIs, while non-DPI products have the flexibility to cover more than 30 CIs3.

Cancer and Pneumonia are the top 2 causes of death in Singapore4. In a recent AIA's Health Matters Survey conducted this year, it is discovered that more people can only survive (financially) one critical illness incidence.

Non-DPI products can cover a wider range of CI for clients (see "Worried About Critical Illness? Here's 3 Plans You Should Know").

With the comparison above, don’t you think it would be penny wise, pound foolish?
 

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With the comparison above, don’t you think it would be penny wise, pound foolish?
No. I believe we’re talking about simple term life insurance here. In the hierarchy of insurance needs, Disability Income Insurance (DII) and hospitalization insurance easily outrank so-called “Critical Illness” policies of any sort. Moreover, even if you want to purchase CI coverage, there’s no particular reason why it ought to be bundled with simple term life insurance, or to be bundled with particular simple term life insurance.

There’s some wisdom in not buying too much insurance from a single carrier due to the government’s limits on policyholder protection in the event your insurance carrier has financial problems.
 

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Just curious, for a US person, is there a reason not to use robinhood as the trading platform of choice?
 

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Just curious, for a US person, is there a reason not to use robinhood as the trading platform of choice?
Robinhood is pretty good, but it's not officially available to people living outside the United States.

Schwab has commission free and rock bottom low cost index mutual funds that are perfectly lovely for U.S. persons, and they're also generally OK with non-U.S. residents. So I think they're probably the best-of-breed at the moment in that category (and in a few others).
 
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BBCW, for non-US citizens, over what length of must one have worked in the US to qualify for social security benefits?
 

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BBCW, for non-US citizens, over what length of must one have worked in the US to qualify for social security benefits?
To qualify for U.S. Social Security retirement benefits (and for spousal retirement benefits)(**) there are two ways:

(a) Non-trivial(*) contributions to the U.S. Social Security system within any 10 calendar years. They do not have to be consecutive years, and they do not have to be entire years. Indeed, as few as 10 paychecks could be enough to get the job done.(***)

(b) Alternatively, non-trivial(*) contributions to the U.S. Social Security system within any 2 calendar years, provided you have also made contributions into the social insurance systems of any treaty country(ies) within any 8 other years. As few as 2 U.S. paychecks could be enough to qualify using the treaty "totalization" method.

The amount of the retirement benefit (and associated spousal benefit) is based on lifetime earnings, and with a rather complex formula. The retirement benefit amount probably won't be very much if you just barely clear the hurdle to qualify for some level of benefits, but a few dollars is better than zero, of course.

(*) "Non-trivial" in part (a) means 4 "quarters of coverage" (QoCs) per year. One QoC in the year 2018 is equal to gross earnings of US$1,320. So, in 2018, to get the maximum 4 QoCs you would need at least US$5,280 of gross earnings subject to U.S. payroll tax (Social Security contributions), and of course that payroll tax must be paid. If that happens in a single paycheck, that works. ("Quarter" isn't actually referring to any period of time.) You can only earn a maximum of 4 QoCs per calendar year.

"Non-trivial" in part (b) means 6 QoCs total. They can be split in any way, but since you can only earn a maximum of 4 per calendar year, you need at least 2 calendar years to get to 6.

The amount of earnings required to earn one QoC varies depending on the year since they are adjusted annually for inflation. U.S. Social Security publishes those figures here.

(**) The legal spouses -- same or opposite sex, and in some cases ex-spouses -- of U.S. Social Security retirement benefit recipients are ordinarily eligible for spousal benefits, even if they never worked nor stepped foot in the United States. Spousal benefits are normally equal to one half of the retirement benefit, although spouses can only start receiving spousal benefits based on their own retirement age (minimum age 62 to start). If the primary retirement benefit recipient should predecease the spousal benefit recipient, then the spousal benefits end but the spouse picks up the retirement benefit amount for the rest of his/her life. The surviving spouse is also ordinarily able to receive a small death benefit, currently (2018) US$255. If the spouse qualifies for U.S. Social Security retirement benefits on his/her own merits then, if higher, that amount will prevail. Otherwise, the spousal benefit level will prevail.

(***) Qualifying for retirement benefits based on method (a) also qualifies the recipient for free U.S. Medicare Part A coverage. U.S. Medicare Part A is basic hospitalization coverage within the United States for those age 65 and older. Individuals who qualify for free U.S. Medicare Part A should notify the U.S. Social Security Administration about 3 months before their 65th birthday that they would like to start Part A coverage. Additional Medicare coverage is also available for purchase, but individuals who do not have the right to live in the United States should almost never add the paid Medicare coverage and should just accept the free Part A. For U.S. citizens living outside the United States at age 65+ this particular decision is a bit trickier.
 
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I believe that, if you are willing to accept the risks, a high yield (aka junk) bond fund can fit into your retirement portfolio. There are a few features that makes it attractive for retirement:

* As a fund, it is safer than picking individual junk bonds that can potentially default
* You are looking at dividend yields of 5-6%
* There is capital volatility (not as high as shares), but you don't particularly care for that since you are mainly looking forward to the dividend payouts, then pass the capital on to your beneficiaries

I don't agree with piling all of a portfolio into junk bonds, even if that's counterbalanced by a CPF Life income stream or some other super-safe source of retirement income. For that matter, I don't think junk bonds are a great investment at all right now.

Two reasons:
1) Buying a junk bond index fund is basically saying "the economy as a whole will not get worse, and these companies' funding situations will not get tighter"—and it's a one-sided bet, with a small upside (higher coupons) and large downside (risk of large correlated losses, like we saw in '08 when HYG dropped from 100 to 65 in the space of about six months).

It's sort of an intermediate between investment-grade bonds and equities - higher yields than IG bonds, but lower returns than equities. But unlike a broad equity index, or a broad bond index, it's not very diversified, either: HYG, for example, is pretty heavy in healthcare (HCA, Valeant (ick)) and telcos (Sprint (ick), TMo, Altice).

2) They've backed up a bit over the last few months, but junk bond yields still aren't anywhere near enough to adequately pay you for the risk of defaults. Off the top of my head, I think the default rate on USD corporate junk has been about 3.5% over the long term (generally lower, with spikes into the mid-teens during recessions); it's blipped a bit higher in the last couple of weeks, but even now, the excess yield on junk is only about 3.7%. At that point, it's basically a coin flip whether you'll make money on that, after you take defaults into account.

Compare that to the investment-grade bond market; IG USD defaults have traditionally run about zero to 0.2% a year (with a peak at about 0.5% during the depths of 2008 when everything blew up), but they're paying an extra 1.3% over risk-free government bonds right now.

Put another way: the extra yield you get paid each year for buying investment-grade bonds is over twice as much as the highest default rate ever seen in the investment-grade market, but the extra yield you get paid each year for owning junk bonds is about the same as the default rate in one year out of two.

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My general position on junk, and this hasn't changed lately, is that only larger portfolios need to think about buying junk bonds; it should only be a small slice of your portfolio (5%-ish); and right now, you don't really want to own it at all. Money where my mouth is, I sold all my junk bonds about six months back (I had about a 3% allocation) and haven't regretted it for a moment.
 

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What do you think of global income fund as a source of retirement ?
For example, JPMorgan multi income fund, Schroeder Asian income fund, fidelity global multi asset income fund etc.
They pay out monthly dividend which lessen the need for drawing down from portfolio and also carry lower risk with their bond component.
Assuming no sales charge in the beginning, the only downside is management fee?
Do you think these fund can withstand financial crisis better than equity fund?
 

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Assuming no sales charge in the beginning, the only downside is management fee?
Right, and those fees are ordinarily too big.

There’s another possible disadvantage which is currency. A global income fund presumably invests mostly in a variety of (hopefully high quality) bonds denominated in a variety of currencies, plus a dash of global stocks (probably 20% or 30% stocks). However, if you’re retired in a particular country — in Singapore, let’s suppose — you’re trying to support a lifestyle denominated in Singapore dollars. If the Singapore dollar suddenly strengthens against the aggregate foreign currencies (averaged out by the fund) and stays that way for a while (or longer), that’d be a problem. But that’s rather unlikely given the way Singapore manages its currency, and you can pretty effectively combat that slight risk by just mixing in some Singapore dollar fixed income elements. CPF and SGSes are notable examples. But if you’re going to be mixing anyway.... (See below.)

It’s possible a global income fund could apply currency hedging, but that’s a somewhat complex topic for another day, perhaps.

Do you think these fund can withstand financial crisis better than equity fund?
Sure. They take on less portfolio risk. They’ll still be impacted in a financial crisis, but the impact should be less than what a pure or majority equity fund experiences.

However, it’s fairly straightforward and easy to replicate a high cost income fund’s holdings using a couple separate, lower cost funds.
 
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