[Official] Moderating Issues

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tokiya

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Is this acceptable mod behaviour ? I rest my case.

This is someone freely exercising his own personal judgement which threads should go out of edmw and deemed as IB to his own personal taste and preferences.

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overdue issue

hope vijay can also investigate if this the same mod that was randomly merging threads during GE

until today I am still furious because many discussion threads were merged together for no apparent reason
 

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EDMW has grown into a community.............chit-chat is a broad category...anything under the sun can come under chit-chat......I want to chit-chat with my community, you take away what i can chit-chat and what i cannot chit-chat.......I dulan..............

those who complain very messy.....jelly your post kena buried.......it's because the community find your chit-chat not interesting....so deal with it..........if you want a more serious discussion about a particular topic, then that's what the specialized boards are for...:vijayadmin:
 

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overdue issue

hope vijay can also investigate if this the same mod that was randomly merging threads during GE

until today I am still furious because many discussion threads were merged together for no apparent reason

Many threads were locked as well, I even started a thread here on this. Content that were posted BEFORE cooling off day were locked.

Mods need to have minimal credentials or suitable qualifications to ensure they can at least understand law. And they need to mod without personal agenda. It is obvious at least one mod has a personal agenda.

That’s not acceptable imho
 
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Many threads were locked as well, I even started a thread here on this. Content that were posted BEFORE cooling off day were locked.

Mods need to have minimal credentials or suitable qualifications to ensure they can at least understand law. And they need to mod without personal agenda. It is obvious at least one mod has a personal agenda.

That’s not acceptable imho

Till date, I still don't know if someone can get banned for saying 'guess correctly' in certain threads. How they can get banned for saying those 2 words baffles me completely.

Furthermore, this is the response when one user asked:

When you bring your appeal to the appeal court the judge may not just decrease but also increase the sentence.

Similarly In future, frivolous appeal posts that obviously know why they were infracted will be double infracted again in the feedback forum if any one try to hide their offence under guise of euphemism or ignorance.

FYI this is an example of frivolous feedback thread.

Thanks,
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Therefore users now also must contend with possibly being infracted more for posting on the feedback forum.

That particular mod can exercise his personal discretion to increase infraction, determine whether an appeal post is frivolous, determine whether someone obviously knows why they were infracted (mind-reading powers).

Meanwhile, Vijay encourages users to post on feedback forum for related matters.

See the madness?

How do you encourage users to go to the feedback forum when you have a mod behaving like this?
 
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overdue issue

hope vijay can also investigate if this the same mod that was randomly merging threads during GE

until today I am still furious because many discussion threads were merged together for no apparent reason

I, on the other hand, feel merging threads does have its advantage.

For example, the Ivan Lim-related threads. There were so many thread about him and before I had time to click them all, some of the threads were already 'buried' (and of cos I would not be bothered to specially search for them.)

Threads related to 'Charles Yeo challenging Imran' is another example.

By merging all the related threads into a main thread, it would allow readers to see all the related discussions; 'win' for thread starters, 'win' for readers too.

(OK my only 'complain' is that as result of the constant merging, the thread 'moves' so fast that I had quite a hard time trying to catch up with the discussions!)
 

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I, on the other hand, feel merging threads does have its advantage.

For example, the Ivan Lim-related threads. There were so many thread about him and before I had time to click them all, some of the threads were already 'buried' (and of cos I would not be bothered to specially search for them.)

Threads related to 'Charles Yeo challenging Imran' is another example.

By merging all the related threads into a main thread, it would allow readers to see all the related discussions; 'win' for thread starters, 'win' for readers too.

(OK my only 'complain' is that as result of the constant merging, the thread 'moves' so fast that I had quite a hard time trying to catch up with the discussions!)

you answered it yourself.
 

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Haha that's not really an issue if I have the time. But I can always bookmark the threads I'm interested in (eg the 2 threads I mentioned) and read later, at my leisure. :)

yeah the merging of threads causes some issue especially when it comes to tracing continuity.

hence I suggest whether its possible for #hashtags.......such that mods don't need to bother about multiple threads on same topic anymore.

user can filter away threads they don't wanna read.

aka outsource the modding back to user themselves.

if you feel butthurt about certain topics, don't read it! it is that simple.
 

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yeah the merging of threads causes some issue especially when it comes to tracing continuity.

hence I suggest whether its possible for #hashtags.......such that mods don't need to bother about multiple threads on same topic anymore.

user can filter away threads they don't wanna read.

aka outsource the modding back to user themselves.

if you feel butthurt about certain topics, don't read it! it is that simple.

No idea how #hastags works but I can always learn and adapt.. :)

Only problem is, whenever there's change to existing practice, there'll always be members who are unhappy with the changes, and then you'll (yet again!) see EDMW/Feedback flooding with complaints about the change liao!

It's simply impossible to please everyone. :o
 

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Don't really like the random threads merging, regardless of topic.

People hate mega threads for a reason, too general and lost track of whats whats anymore

Moreover some threads that are merged no link at all
 

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No idea how #hastags works but I can always learn and adapt.. :)

Only problem is, whenever there's change to existing practice, there'll always be members who are unhappy with the changes, and then you'll (yet again!) see EDMW/Feedback flooding with complaints about the change liao!

It's simply impossible to please everyone. :o

i mean a method of displaying the forum threads.....such that i can filter out things I *do not* want to see.

so i can filter out ivan lim and all threads containing ivan lim will not be displayed.

i filter out ****, nothing about **** will be displayed.
 

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I'll just address the first post since it's the essence of this thread without going into nitty-gritty matters.

1) There have been more and more requests to shift threads to CAL. I believe it's the GE and post-GE period that has resulted in too many threads of similar topics and therefore such requests are increasing. One such request was made here (and there have been many others before this):-
https://deluxeforums.hardwarezone.c...on-move-all-political-thread-cal-6346360.html

Moderator felt it was probably time to accede and proceeded with the move. But time again has shown that most folks prefer the threads to stay where they've been created. Hence the moves are being reversed and if there are other move requests that have yet to be fulfilled, kindly inform us in that thread.

In short, we'll continue maintaining our existing moderation practice to only move old/inactive discussions to relevant discussion forums. This has been ongoing only to help prevent the old threads from being prunned (and thus the sticky thread here regarding this). And pruning is mandatory to keep the EDMW DB-size in check, else the DB server's performance to our users will be severely affected.



2) I believe the above answers this? Merging is actually a good task especially where the topics and threads are identical. Merging does delete original thread links - sometimes they are re-routed to new ones, sometimes not. It's especially useful when there are too many of the same thing. For example, there can be one whole page of discussions opened on the very same topic. On the other hand, if discussions are deep seated, we generally don't merge them and leave them running as is. Most of the merging only happens in the initial burst of a new topic.


3) The above two should answer this? Apart from that, there are too many other reasons that normal qualify for a missing thread. i.e. poor taste, poor choice of words, repetitive threads, quarelling, threads derailed and not serving their purpose, complaints brought up via PM, email, etc. that warrant us to step in, thread starter requested to remove them, police and legal letters that require us to comply, etc. There's just too many reasons that something can go wrong and isn't in line with our TOS. Many times we don't even infract users because it's not exactly their fault, but how people outside of the forum (and the HWZ universe) perceive a discussion topic is very different and can be construed as slanderous, libelous, unfound statements/comments, harassement, etc.


The moderators and the admins face a lot of challenges in keeping the forum board running, so please kindly cut us some slack and try not to jump to conclusions.

What some forum users perceive us a fun comment or thread may not be so to many others who aren't forum users in the first place and we have to be mindful to their complaints and inputs if it's a valid point of view.


Hi Mod, I believe that lately there have been a spate of unhappiness over moderating issues. I propose to have this thread situated here in EDMW. This is so we could all voice our concerns and also allow the Moderating team to provide answers and explain to us the reasoning

Issues as of now
1. Shifting of threads over to Current Affairs
2. Biasness in shifting of threads (certain threads allowed to remain in edmw while others were shifted/ merged / deleted)
3. Magical disappearances of Threads without explanation

Thank you
 

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overdue issue

hope vijay can also investigate if this the same mod that was randomly merging threads during GE

until today I am still furious because many discussion threads were merged together for no apparent reason

when it comes to race/nationality issues, vijay is trying hard not to get involved because if he sides either side, the other will turn on him, just my pov
 

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There's a big update to the forum coming next quarter.

Thereafter, we plan to look into this point; it's definitely in our list of upgrades.

Thanks.

yeah the merging of threads causes some issue especially when it comes to tracing continuity.

hence I suggest whether its possible for #hashtags.......such that mods don't need to bother about multiple threads on same topic anymore.

user can filter away threads they don't wanna read.

aka outsource the modding back to user themselves.

if you feel butthurt about certain topics, don't read it! it is that simple.
 

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There's a big update to the forum coming next quarter.

Thereafter, we plan to look into this point; it's definitely in our list of upgrades.

Thanks.

Hi sir...

Can I feedback on the number of mods in Edmw?

Can ur team spend a little precious time to update who are the real mods in Edmw

As the list is outdated...

Thanks
 

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There's a big update to the forum coming next quarter.

Thereafter, we plan to look into this point; it's definitely in our list of upgrades.

Thanks.

Thanks, having a filter similar to hashtag will be helpful.
Any timeline on when the list of upgrades can be shared with us?
 

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This particular one would have to wait for now because of the big upgrade coming next quarter.

We'll share more by early October and when it happens, I'm sure many will understand why it's an important step before we embark on other matters :)

Stay tuned. :s12:


Thanks, having a filter similar to hashtag will be helpful.
Any timeline on when the list of upgrades can be shared with us?
 

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This particular one would have to wait for now because of the big upgrade coming next quarter.

We'll share more by early October and when it happens, I'm sure many will understand why it's an important step before we embark on other matters :)

Stay tuned. :s12:

Thanks!

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