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Besides the exorbitant price, I can't quite wrap my head around the negativity towards the announcement. Buying a new console every 3 to 4 years is fine for those who wants it. I'm not sure why some are triggered (not here but comments on YouTube, Reddit etc.), it's not as though consoles are following the route of mobile phones with new releases every year.

Game consoles are purely optional, nobody are forced or held at gunpoint to buy it. If anyone feel it's a waste of money, doesn't like the idea of a mid-gen upgrade, don't care about more powerful hardware or don't see the value in upgrading, simply don't buy it. Games will continue to release on base PS5 & are perfectly playable, so there's no worry of anyone missing out or get left behind.

Pro is just another option for those willing to pay a premium price for more power & better performance. There's no need to choose between Fidelity or Performance Mode in supported games, as there'll be a Pro-exclusive graphics mode using PSSR upscaler.

As more demanding games start to release in the latter half of this gen lifecycle such as GTA VI, The Last of Us 3, Ghost of Tsushima 2 etc. Pro will be the best console on the market to play these titles.


People spend $2k on new mobile phones every year or two with marginal upgrades without any issue. But we get brand new tech in the ps5 pro for $700 usd and suddenly there's an uproar.


Negativity drives clicks. And unfortunately, many people I know got caught up in the negativity and said they'll swear off playstation, saying that they'll just go pc next gen and don't mind waiting 2-3 years for the PlayStation exclusives to hit the PC.


Besides the outrage regarding the price tag, Tom Warren from The Verge is now spreading a new rumour that the Ps5 Pro runs games at 30 fps which is a totally ridiculous and baseless rumour.

If you actually watched the video, Mark Cerny stated that 75% of people play on performance mode instead of fidelity mode. The purpose of the pro is to enable players to play fidelity mode with all the bells and whistles, and yet retain a smooth 60 fps. But yet here we are with a new rumour that the pro runs games at 30 fps and Digital Foundry also added fuel to the fire by saying that Grand Theft Auto 6 will be only 30 fps on the pro.

Even folks from IGN, especially Ryan McCaffrey and Destin Legarie spread rumours last week that Sony money hatted Black Myth Wukong for exclusivity. Digital Foundry also sided with them and guess what? Digital Foundry (EuroGamer) is owned by IGN.


Those saying Oh $700 can buy a pc that matches the ps5 pro, don't know anything about the tech inside it. Namely the PSSR and the new Ray Tracing tech/RDNA 4.


Don't forget the $700 usd includes a DualSense. So if people wanna build a $700 pc. They gotta factor in the cost of a DualSense, WiFi 7 chip and a 2tb ssd.

Take that $700 usd. Minus away the cost of a DualSense, minus away the chip for the WiFi 7 and a 2tb ssd, and I want to see how you're going to build a pc that matches the new technology and capabilities of a ps5 pro.

And with regards to the cpu in the ps5 pro, do you really think Mark Cerny is just going to put in the 4 year old cpu from the regular ps5 into the ps5 pro without any enhancements?

Negativity and rage baiting is very effective. But stop and think for a moment.

PS5 Pro uses the AMD Shift technology so it can shift power from GPU to CPU and vice versa, if needed. Not to mention the powerful decompressor HW units that PS5 has which frees up the CPU. In short, the gpu in the pro is able to shoulder the burden of the CPU.


It's frightening that tech enthusiasts, instead of being excited about new tech and seeing how our gaming experience can be enhanced with new technology, resort to click-baity articles and videos about the price all in the name of console warring and spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt (surely a specialty of Microsoft).

Now it's all about how a $700 pc can beat the snot out of the Ps5 pro.

Funny you don't see people and tech sites whine about the price tag whenever a new iteration of a phone gets announced.

They talk about the new tech in it. The possibilities. But for some reason, playstation always gets these click baity negative news.


If anyone remembers, just before the launch of current gen consoles, tech sites/channels like The Verge (Tom Warren) , Windows Central (Jez Corden) and even Digital Foundry etc were saying that even the Xbox Series S would run circles around the ps5 and that the ps5 is only RDNA 1 while the series S and X are true RDNA 2, and yet it is the Series S that's holding back and causing issues for game development (see Baldur's Gate 3/Wukong etc for example) and there are numerous games where the ps5 outperforms the series X.

What this tiktok generation of people need is the ability to do critical thinking.
 
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Guys. One question regarding buying of games on USA PSN.

Can I add USD in YouTrip and use the YouTrip card to pay for the game on the USA PSN store?

I understand can buy the USA PSN cards on shopee, but after calculating, not very worth it. Put money in YouTrip then convert to USD is cheaper.
As far as I know, can only use US (or NA) issued card for purchase.
 

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People spend $2k on new mobile phones every year or two with marginal upgrades without any issue. But we get brand new tech in the ps5 pro for $700 usd and suddenly there's an uproar.


Negativity drives clicks. And unfortunately, many people I know got caught up in the negativity and said they'll swear off playstation, saying that they'll just go pc next gen and don't mind waiting 2-3 years for the PlayStation exclusives to hit the PC.


Besides the outrage regarding the price tag, Tom Warren from The Verge is now spreading a new rumour that the Ps5 Pro runs games at 30 fps which is a totally ridiculous and baseless rumour.

If you actually watched the video, Mark Cerny stated that 75% of people play on performance mode instead of fidelity mode. The purpose of the pro is to enable players to play fidelity mode with all the bells and whistles, and yet retain a smooth 60 fps. But yet here we are with a new rumour that the pro runs games at 30 fps and Digital Foundry also added fuel to the fire by saying that Grand Theft Auto 6 will be only 30 fps on the pro.

Even folks from IGN, especially Ryan McCaffrey and Destin Legarie spread rumours last week that Sony money hatted Black Myth Wukong for exclusivity. Digital Foundry also sided with them and guess what? Digital Foundry (EuroGamer) is owned by IGN.


Those saying Oh $700 can buy a pc that matches the ps5 pro, don't know anything about the tech inside it. Namely the PSSR and the new Ray Tracing tech/RDNA 4.


Don't forget the $700 usd includes a DualSense. So if people wanna build a $700 pc. They gotta factor in the cost of a DualSense, WiFi 7 chip and a 2tb ssd.

Take that $700 usd. Minus away the cost of a DualSense, minus away the chip for the WiFi 7 and a 2tb ssd, and I want to see how you're going to build a pc that matches the new technology and capabilities of a ps5 pro.

And with regards to the cpu in the ps5 pro, do you really think Mark Cerny is just going to put in the 4 year old cpu from the regular ps5 into the ps5 pro without any enhancements?

Negativity and rage baiting is very effective. But stop and think for a moment.

PS5 Pro uses the AMD Shift technology so it can shift power from GPU to CPU and vice versa, if needed. Not to mention the powerful decompressor HW units that PS5 has which frees up the CPU. In short, the gpu in the pro is able to shoulder the burden of the CPU.


It's frightening that tech enthusiasts, instead of being excited about new tech and seeing how our gaming experience can be enhanced with new technology, resort to click-baity articles and videos about the price all in the name of console warring and spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt (surely a specialty of Microsoft).

Now it's all about how a $700 pc can beat the snot out of the Ps5 pro.

Funny you don't see people and tech sites whine about the price tag whenever a new iteration of a phone gets announced.

They talk about the new tech in it. The possibilities. But for some reason, playstation always gets these click baity negative news.


If anyone remembers, just before the launch of current gen consoles, tech sites/channels like The Verge (Tom Warren) , Windows Central (Jez Corden) and even Digital Foundry etc were saying that even the Xbox Series S would run circles around the ps5 and that the ps5 is only RDNA 1 while the series S and X are true RDNA 2, and yet it is the Series S that's holding back and causing issues for game development (see Baldur's Gate 3/Wukong etc for example) and there are numerous games where the ps5 outperforms the series X.

What this tiktok generation of people need is the ability to do critical thinking.
I think the price is fine fair for 2TB pcie4 SSD and a Radeon 7700XT.
$1000+ SGD, $1200 if include disc drive.

But, i won't be getting it since i have a PS5 with disc drive already and i personally don't consider the upgrades to be super meaningful.
 

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People spend $2k on new mobile phones every year or two with marginal upgrades without any issue. But we get brand new tech in the ps5 pro for $700 usd and suddenly there's an uproar.


Negativity drives clicks. And unfortunately, many people I know got caught up in the negativity and said they'll swear off playstation, saying that they'll just go pc next gen and don't mind waiting 2-3 years for the PlayStation exclusives to hit the PC.


Besides the outrage regarding the price tag, Tom Warren from The Verge is now spreading a new rumour that the Ps5 Pro runs games at 30 fps which is a totally ridiculous and baseless rumour.

If you actually watched the video, Mark Cerny stated that 75% of people play on performance mode instead of fidelity mode. The purpose of the pro is to enable players to play fidelity mode with all the bells and whistles, and yet retain a smooth 60 fps. But yet here we are with a new rumour that the pro runs games at 30 fps and Digital Foundry also added fuel to the fire by saying that Grand Theft Auto 6 will be only 30 fps on the pro.

Even folks from IGN, especially Ryan McCaffrey and Destin Legarie spread rumours last week that Sony money hatted Black Myth Wukong for exclusivity. Digital Foundry also sided with them and guess what? Digital Foundry (EuroGamer) is owned by IGN.


Those saying Oh $700 can buy a pc that matches the ps5 pro, don't know anything about the tech inside it. Namely the PSSR and the new Ray Tracing tech/RDNA 4.


Don't forget the $700 usd includes a DualSense. So if people wanna build a $700 pc. They gotta factor in the cost of a DualSense, WiFi 7 chip and a 2tb ssd.

Take that $700 usd. Minus away the cost of a DualSense, minus away the chip for the WiFi 7 and a 2tb ssd, and I want to see how you're going to build a pc that matches the new technology and capabilities of a ps5 pro.

And with regards to the cpu in the ps5 pro, do you really think Mark Cerny is just going to put in the 4 year old cpu from the regular ps5 into the ps5 pro without any enhancements?

Negativity and rage baiting is very effective. But stop and think for a moment.

PS5 Pro uses the AMD Shift technology so it can shift power from GPU to CPU and vice versa, if needed. Not to mention the powerful decompressor HW units that PS5 has which frees up the CPU. In short, the gpu in the pro is able to shoulder the burden of the CPU.


It's frightening that tech enthusiasts, instead of being excited about new tech and seeing how our gaming experience can be enhanced with new technology, resort to click-baity articles and videos about the price all in the name of console warring and spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt (surely a specialty of Microsoft).

Now it's all about how a $700 pc can beat the snot out of the Ps5 pro.

Funny you don't see people and tech sites whine about the price tag whenever a new iteration of a phone gets announced.

They talk about the new tech in it. The possibilities. But for some reason, playstation always gets these click baity negative news.


If anyone remembers, just before the launch of current gen consoles, tech sites/channels like The Verge (Tom Warren) , Windows Central (Jez Corden) and even Digital Foundry etc were saying that even the Xbox Series S would run circles around the ps5 and that the ps5 is only RDNA 1 while the series S and X are true RDNA 2, and yet it is the Series S that's holding back and causing issues for game development (see Baldur's Gate 3/Wukong etc for example) and there are numerous games where the ps5 outperforms the series X.

What this tiktok generation of people need is the ability to do critical thinking.
Considering it'll cost around $600 to get PS5 Pro + Disc Drive, it's a no-brainer & easy decision for me. That's cheaper than PS5 Slim Digital Edition ($669).

I've previously mentioned that the total price can be offset by using $200 LifeSG Credits in Nov. Will also sell my PS5 disc version at the end of the year. That console still have value in the 2nd hand/used market, should be able to fetch $400 minimum.
 

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https://www.ign.com/articles/ps5-pro-announcement-sparks-ps5-disc-drive-sales-rush-scalping-concern

https://kotaku.com/ps5-pro-disc-drive-cost-selling-out-where-to-buy-amazon-1851646276

Disc Drive are selling out fast. It's unclear if scalpers are snapping up the stocks or purchased by prospective Pro buyers.

For those with a large collection of physical games & planning to get the Pro, it's recommended to be on the safe side & buy it soon. Rather than wait near the launch of Pro, as it may face similar stock shortage like Stick Module (DualSense Edge) & VR2 PC Adaptor.

Mine just arrived today. Ordered yesterday from Sony.

PS5-Disc-Drive.jpg
 

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Considering it'll cost around $600 to get PS5 Pro + Disc Drive, it's a no-brainer & easy decision for me. That's cheaper than PS5 Slim Digital Edition ($669).

I've previously mentioned that the total price can be offset by using $200 LifeSG Credits in Nov. Will also sell my PS5 disc version at the end of the year. That console still have value in the 2nd hand/used market, should be able to fetch $400 minimum.

My friend just sold his for $460. (with 1 dualsense).
And even then, he said he got multiple offers from Carousell. We probably won't have any issue selling it for around $450 when the time comes.

Back to the PS5 pro, according to John Linneman from Digital Foundry, FF7 Rebirth on Pro mode 60 fps looks BETTER than Fidelity Mode 30fps on the vanilla PS5.



But the damage is done. Everyone's taking the $700 too expensive and marginal upgrade over PS5 as gospel and running with it.


Scroll down to this wiki about FUD and see who's the biggest culprit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt
 

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https://www.ign.com/articles/ps5-pro-announcement-sparks-ps5-disc-drive-sales-rush-scalping-concern

https://kotaku.com/ps5-pro-disc-drive-cost-selling-out-where-to-buy-amazon-1851646276

Disc Drive are selling out fast. It's unclear if scalpers are snapping up the stocks or purchased by prospective Pro buyers.

For those with a large collection of physical games & planning to get the Pro, it's recommended to be on the safe side & buy it soon. Rather than wait near the launch of Pro, as it may face similar stock shortage like Stick Module (DualSense Edge) & VR2 PC Adaptor.

Mine just arrived today. Ordered yesterday from Sony.

PS5-Disc-Drive.jpg



I saw quite a lot of the Disc Drives on Shopee a few days ago but it's all gone right now!
 
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Considering it'll cost around $600 to get PS5 Pro + Disc Drive, it's a no-brainer & easy decision for me. That's cheaper than PS5 Slim Digital Edition ($669).

I've previously mentioned that the total price can be offset by using $200 LifeSG Credits in Nov. Will also sell my PS5 disc version at the end of the year. That console still have value in the 2nd hand/used market, should be able to fetch $400 minimum.
$1k plus without disc drive not $600. if $600, everyone will buy pro liao.
 

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$1k plus without disc drive not $600. if $600, everyone will buy pro liao.
The estimated $600 is the amount for me to upgrade to Pro. Can be slightly more & less, depending on how much selling my PS5 can fetch (between $430 to $450). That's why it was an easy decision for me. For others, it may be different.

PS5 Pro $1069 + Disc Drive $159 = $1228

$1228 - $200 (LifeSG Credits) - $450 (Sell PS5 on Carousell) = $578

Even if I sell my PS5 at $430, amount needed to upgrade to Pro is $598. That's still lower than $600.
 
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ps5 pro might even be free for some of you if factor in cdc voucher, col payment and u-save rebate (besides the lifesg credits) :s22:
 

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People spend $2k on new mobile phones every year or two with marginal upgrades without any issue. But we get brand new tech in the ps5 pro for $700 usd and suddenly there's an uproar.


Negativity drives clicks. And unfortunately, many people I know got caught up in the negativity and said they'll swear off playstation, saying that they'll just go pc next gen and don't mind waiting 2-3 years for the PlayStation exclusives to hit the PC.


Besides the outrage regarding the price tag, Tom Warren from The Verge is now spreading a new rumour that the Ps5 Pro runs games at 30 fps which is a totally ridiculous and baseless rumour.

If you actually watched the video, Mark Cerny stated that 75% of people play on performance mode instead of fidelity mode. The purpose of the pro is to enable players to play fidelity mode with all the bells and whistles, and yet retain a smooth 60 fps. But yet here we are with a new rumour that the pro runs games at 30 fps and Digital Foundry also added fuel to the fire by saying that Grand Theft Auto 6 will be only 30 fps on the pro.

Even folks from IGN, especially Ryan McCaffrey and Destin Legarie spread rumours last week that Sony money hatted Black Myth Wukong for exclusivity. Digital Foundry also sided with them and guess what? Digital Foundry (EuroGamer) is owned by IGN.


Those saying Oh $700 can buy a pc that matches the ps5 pro, don't know anything about the tech inside it. Namely the PSSR and the new Ray Tracing tech/RDNA 4.


Don't forget the $700 usd includes a DualSense. So if people wanna build a $700 pc. They gotta factor in the cost of a DualSense, WiFi 7 chip and a 2tb ssd.

Take that $700 usd. Minus away the cost of a DualSense, minus away the chip for the WiFi 7 and a 2tb ssd, and I want to see how you're going to build a pc that matches the new technology and capabilities of a ps5 pro.

And with regards to the cpu in the ps5 pro, do you really think Mark Cerny is just going to put in the 4 year old cpu from the regular ps5 into the ps5 pro without any enhancements?

Negativity and rage baiting is very effective. But stop and think for a moment.

PS5 Pro uses the AMD Shift technology so it can shift power from GPU to CPU and vice versa, if needed. Not to mention the powerful decompressor HW units that PS5 has which frees up the CPU. In short, the gpu in the pro is able to shoulder the burden of the CPU.


It's frightening that tech enthusiasts, instead of being excited about new tech and seeing how our gaming experience can be enhanced with new technology, resort to click-baity articles and videos about the price all in the name of console warring and spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt (surely a specialty of Microsoft).

Now it's all about how a $700 pc can beat the snot out of the Ps5 pro.

Funny you don't see people and tech sites whine about the price tag whenever a new iteration of a phone gets announced.

They talk about the new tech in it. The possibilities. But for some reason, playstation always gets these click baity negative news.


If anyone remembers, just before the launch of current gen consoles, tech sites/channels like The Verge (Tom Warren) , Windows Central (Jez Corden) and even Digital Foundry etc were saying that even the Xbox Series S would run circles around the ps5 and that the ps5 is only RDNA 1 while the series S and X are true RDNA 2, and yet it is the Series S that's holding back and causing issues for game development (see Baldur's Gate 3/Wukong etc for example) and there are numerous games where the ps5 outperforms the series X.

What this tiktok generation of people need is the ability to do critical thinking.
I know I blocked IGN long ago for a reason...:unsure:

When you use social media as a news sources, all these come to you.

Unfortunately, critical thinking cannot be taught. Just being objective is a hard ask of them.
 
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If you need/want to have the most powerful console until end 2026, then that console is PS5 Pro. PS6 is expected to launch end 2026 in response to next-gen XBOX.
 

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My friend just sold his for $460. (with 1 dualsense).
And even then, he said he got multiple offers from Carousell. We probably won't have any issue selling it for around $450 when the time comes.

Back to the PS5 pro, according to John Linneman from Digital Foundry, FF7 Rebirth on Pro mode 60 fps looks BETTER than Fidelity Mode 30fps on the vanilla PS5.



But the damage is done. Everyone's taking the $700 too expensive and marginal upgrade over PS5 as gospel and running with it.


Scroll down to this wiki about FUD and see who's the biggest culprit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt

I don't see it as the damage is done. These are just the usual noise coming from the internet and the Pro are not targeting at the mainstream masses.
The only damage is to my brain cells, listening to all these dumb arguments and narratives. That's where the block button come to good use.
When the PS5 Pro launches, it will sell very well and the adoption rate will hit the usual ~15%-20% of the entire install base,
 
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If you need/want to have the most powerful console until end 2026, then that console is PS5 Pro. PS6 is expected to launch end 2026 in response to next-gen XBOX.
That is not gonna happen! In fact, like some other people, I think this gen will have an extended lifespan.
2028 the earliest.
 

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why cant they link ps5 pro and ps5 together.
then i can use back my disc drive on ps5 and maybe combine gfx power
 

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That is not gonna happen! In fact, like some other people, I think this gen will have an extended lifespan.
2028 the earliest.

Yeap. Next gen is 2028 earliest.


By the way, IGN bought over Eurogamer. And Eurogamer owns Digital Foundry. That's why we're all getting "The Ps5 Pro Is Not Worth It" videos by Digital Foundry with clickbaity thumbnails on YouTube.

Imagine not having the hardware in your hands but making proclamations like that. I used to look up to digital foundry, but not so in recent years. I still enjoy content by John Linnerman from DF because he's the only one who really seems to enjoy games.


Not sure if you've made this observervation -

Gaming Websites/Game Journalists cheering for the Activision Blizzard acquisition by MS are the ones spreading all these rumours

1) Ps5 is RDNA 1 while Series S/X is True RDNA 2
2) Series S is 1440p 120fps and will beat ps5 in performance
3) Wukong got money hatted by Sony
4) Game exclusives are bad and anti consumer. (Notice this narrative happens only for PS exclusives, especially the Square Enix ones when the Switch actually has more exclusives. I'm still waiting for Triangle Strategy to hit the PS5)

and now

5) PS5 Pro bad. PS5 Pro only 30 fps. Better to buy pc.

I'm not talking about fanboys/influencers, but people actually working high up in the games journalism/media.

Tom Warren - The Verge
Paul Tassi - Forbes
Jez Corden - Windows Central
Ryan McCaffrey/Destin Legarie - IGN
Richard Leadbetter- Digital Foundry/Eurogamer

All the above are Editors/Senior Editors of their respective websites.



I think all of us gamers expect just one thing from games journalism - To report actual facts instead of behaving like a bunch of overgrown fanboys.

Let the overgrown fanboys rot with their reactionary bad takes. But the gaming media needs to have integrity and accountability for what they report. Because isn't that what journalism is about?


And oh. Here we go again. Like what many others have said - You can't spell IGNORANT without the letters IGN.

 
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Yeap. Next gen is 2028 earliest.


By the way, IGN bought over Eurogamer. And Eurogamer owns Digital Foundry. That's why we're all getting "The Ps5 Pro Is Not Worth It" videos by Digital Foundry with clickbaity thumbnails on YouTube.

Imagine not having the hardware in your hands but making proclamations like that. I used to look up to digital foundry, but not so in recent years. I still enjoy content by John Linnerman from DF because he's the only one who really seems to enjoy games.


Not sure if you've made this observervation -

Gaming Websites/Game Journalists cheering for the Activision Blizzard acquisition by MS are the ones spreading all these rumours

1) Ps5 is RDNA 1 while Series S/X is True RDNA 2
2) Series S is 1440p 120fps and will beat ps5 in performance
3) Wukong got money hatted by Sony
4) Game exclusives are bad and anti consumer. (Notice this narrative happens only for PS exclusives, especially the Square Enix ones when the Switch actually has more exclusives. I'm still waiting for Triangle Strategy to hit the PS5)

and now

5) PS5 Pro bad. PS5 Pro only 30 fps. Better to buy pc.

I'm not talking about fanboys/influencers, but people actually working high up in the games journalism/media.

Tom Warren - The Verge
Paul Tassi - Forbes
Jez Corden - Windows Central
Ryan McCaffrey/Destin Legarie - IGN
Richard Leadbetter- Digital Foundry/Eurogamer

All the above are Editors/Senior Editors of their respective websites.



I think all of us gamers expect just one thing from games journalism - To report actual facts instead of behaving like a bunch of overgrown fanboys.

Let the overgrown fanboys rot with their reactionary bad takes. But the gaming media needs to have integrity and accountability for what they report. Because isn't that what journalism is about?


And oh. Here we go again. Like what many others have said - You can't spell IGNORANT without the letters IGN.


That is why I don't go to these mainstream gaming outlets for news anymore.
Eurogamer use to be good. But at some point, they started posting like IGN(before acquisition), into my block list they goes....

I know long ago that Digital Foundry has always been pro-Xbox. Only in recent times that they are trying to be fair and objective. Maybe because PS5 just outperform the xboxes so much that they just can't find excuses anymore.

Beside that, I have never been a big fan of DF. As a tech geek, I appreciate the nitty-gritty analysis of a game on different platforms. But the results are always misuse by fanboys for console warring.

Unless there's a huge differences or doing side-by-side comparison, most gamers' experience of a game won't be affected when actually playing the game.

Ryan McCaffrey - Use to have a lot more respect for the guy when I follow tech news more closely back in the early-mid 2010s. He was around the industries. And ya, that "moneyhat Wukong" was my last straw for him....

Jez Corden - He is just an idiot with insider sources. How he got the job at Window Central, I do not know...
 
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