Official Shiny Things thread—Part III

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Then we should fight for firms to have underweight, overweight, short, homosexual, bisexual, asexual, transgendered people on the board of directors too instead of majority of them being tall and straight.

I prefer to fight for the rights of left-handers (such an amazing pun) instead as their brains are wired differently from most of us and could have much to contribute.

Although I think reserving a director seat for C++ programmers is also a wise proposition. It is after all one of the most difficult languages to code in and requires some level of intellect to pick-up. There are simply too many Python coders these days.
 

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SSGA has more than adequately explained their logic to their investors, and it is logical. They’re a shareholder, and they can vote however they want. If their investors don’t like how SSGA votes (or abstains), investors are perfectly free to choose other fund managers.

What’s the problem? I certainly don’t see any.

In the past retail investors had zero effective shareholder voting power. Now they have some via their fund managers. This is a problem because....? It’s not a problem at all. It’s a good thing!
 

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Here, I’ll make it super easy for those who disagree with State Street Global Advisors. SSGA offers four SGX-listed funds: D07, O87, S27, and ES3. There are viable alternatives to all of them. If you’d like another fund manager, no problem! Just go pick one that you prefer.

I cannot fathom why anyone would be upset that SSGA isn’t going to support boards with literally zero women without reservation. Indifferent, maybe, but actively upset? That’s weird. But OK, if you’re upset, no problem, invest with another fund manager. It’s not hard.

FYI, the U.S. S&P 500 stocks have ZERO all male boards. In Singapore, 20% of the STI stocks do. Correlation is not causation, but why on earth wouldn’t you prefer the S&P 500’s performance? SSGA doesn’t like even a faint odor of cronyism in corporate boards, and that’s why they vote as they do. It’s a logical argument.
 
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Here, I’ll make it super easy for those who disagree with State Street Global Advisors. SSGA offers four SGX-listed funds: D07, O87, S27, and ES3. There are viable alternatives to all of them. If you’d like another fund manager, no problem! Just go pick one that you prefer.

I cannot fathom why anyone would be upset that SSGA isn’t going to support boards with literally zero women without reservation. Indifferent, maybe, but actively upset? That’s weird. But OK, if you’re upset, no problem, invest with another fund manager. It’s not hard.

FYI, the U.S. S&P 500 stocks have ZERO all male boards. In Singapore, 20% of the STI stocks do. Correlation is not causation, but why on earth wouldn’t you prefer the S&P 500’s performance? SSGA doesn’t like even a faint odor of cronyism in corporate boards, and that’s why they vote as they do. It’s a logical argument.
people who buy SG stocks are idiots.

that's all.
 

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Just because a Board does not have female directors does not mean it is discriminating against females becoming directors.
State Street Global Advisors takes the view that an all-male roster of directors — a bizarre circumstance found in none of the 505 U.S. S&P 500 Index companies — is presumptive evidence of discrimination, or more importantly for its investors presumptive evidence of cronyism and possible corruption. SSGA applies this particular, simple filter as one important way to determine whether corporate boards are at least decently functioning, or whether there might be larger issues involving lack of independent oversight and poor governance. Every rational retail shareholder ought to want good corporate governance, and that’s SSGA’s goal here. They’ve picked one “sanity check” reasonable measurement to achieve their goal of strengthening independent corporate governance. It’s not their only metric.

Good corporate governance does not mean reserving a seat for a woman on the Board; it means giving equal consideration to any person, regardless of gender, evaluated solely based on their merits and potential contribution to the company.
Yes, and with all the talented female director candidates, and more every year, if you have an all-male board in 2020 in Singapore as a 30 STI company then presumptively the company has failed to form and maintain a functioning, strong, competent board exercising independent oversight. SSGA wants to discuss what’s going on and won’t unreservedly support an incumbent board until SSGA is satisfied with the answers.

As it happens, the government is well aligned with this approach and tacitly endorses it, as I read the press reports. What’s wrong with shareholders demanding stronger governance and less (preferably zero) cronyism? Nothing!

A tokenistic approach to putting a woman on the Board (who could, for example, be the sister of one of the directors) does nothing for corporate governance, though it may help the share price of the company as evidence of "inclusivity".
Correct, and that’s not SSGA’s view. An all-male board is evidence of weak governance, a simple assessment metric. It’s not the only metric.

I prefer to fight for the rights of left-handers (such an amazing pun) instead as their brains are wired differently from most of us and could have much to contribute.
That’s not currently one of SSGA’s board assessment metrics, but broadly speaking shareholders should be controlling. They’re the owners, after all — that’s how capitalism works.

Although I think reserving a director seat for C++ programmers is also a wise proposition. It is after all one of the most difficult languages to code in and requires some level of intellect to pick-up. There are simply too many Python coders these days.
That’s not one of SSGA’s filters either, but if some other shareholder(s) want a director who knows how to program in C++, that’s fine. They own the company, and that’s capitalism.

crazy affirmative action going on nowadays
if women are good they will rise up, no this kind of forced bullshiet
SSGA would like to know whether 6 STI companies have boards that are cesspools of cronyism, because that’s what an all-male board in 2020 in Singapore at one of the 30 largest companies may indicate. As a shareholding owner of these companies, they’d like reasonable answers from the board about what’s going on, or they will withhold their support starting with directors who should have long ago realized “Something is not right here.” Assuming the director isn’t corrupt or incompetent, of course, in which case SSGA won’t be supporting that director regardless, and assuming SSGA figures that out.

people who buy SG stocks are idiots.
that's all.
They’re idiots if they don’t press for strong, effective, independent corporate governance — unless they are parties benefitting from cronyism. SSGA is not run by idiots, thank goodness.

But OK, no problem, if you disagree with SSGA’s modest efforts to improve corporate governance (or its “tripwire” governance metric), pick another fund manager with weaker corporate governance objectives. Or invest in these stocks directly and vote opposite SSGA. Capitalism and free markets are fully functioning here, and you get to decide.
 

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Now that I dig into this issue even superficially, looking at directors and their memberships, I see some other problems in some STI companies. Take a look at the multiple board memberships many directors have. There are at least two possible problems I see. One is that some directors supposedly oversee huge numbers of corporate entities. Can anyone possibly perform effective oversight if that person’s number of board memberships is huge, as is so often the case? Clearly the answer is no. This seems like it’d be a reasonable area for regulation, capping a director’s number of board memberships.

Another problem is cross-membership, that there appears to be an elite club that’s likely to create conflicts of interest, or the appearance of conflicts of interest. Directors need to be free to “rock boats,” and they’re less likely to do that when they have extensive cross-memberships.

OK, granted, Singapore is a small country with a smaller pool of talented directors than some other countries might have. But it’s not THAT small.

Isn’t it long past time shareholders pushed for stronger, more effective, independent corporate governance? The STI’s performance over so many years suggests something is very seriously wrong. Maybe we need even more shareholders working on this set of issues.
 

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Isn’t it long past time shareholders pushed for stronger, more effective, independent corporate governance? The STI’s performance over so many years suggests something is very seriously wrong. Maybe we need even more shareholders working on this set of issues.

Yes this has been long overdue. Singapore is a first-world country with third-world corporate governance.
 

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ES3: FSMOne RSP / IBKR SG

Hi All,

I just started buying ES3 using FSMOne RSP due to their low fees. Does anyone know if those stocks can be transferred to IBKR SG in the future once I have enough stocks to reach the 100k mark?
 

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Hi All,

I just started buying ES3 using FSMOne RSP due to their low fees. Does anyone know if those stocks can be transferred to IBKR SG in the future once I have enough stocks to reach the 100k mark?
Probably not a good idea as shares are purchased in odd lots/not in multiples of 100 which would make transferring them out troublesome even if allowed. Better off selling it all and repurchasing immediately at IBKR. FYI it's US$100K at IBKR.
 

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Coupons are guaranteed but stock returns are not.

Bond holders get repaid before stock holders when a company go bust. This is because bond holders are debtors while stock holders are owners.

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Thank you but I think you are not answering my question, or I just don't understand it yet. I wanted to know why the value of my investments in A35 fluctuate a lot more than the G3B. Or in other words, why do the companies/components in A35 more likely to go bust or more likely to profit than the components in ES3/G3B?

Does it have something to do with the sectors the components are coming from?

I hope I am making sense. Thank you.
 

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Thank you but I think you are not answering my question, or I just don't understand it yet. I wanted to know why the value of my investments in A35 fluctuate a lot more than the G3B. Or in other words, why do the companies/components in A35 more likely to go bust or more likely to profit than the components in ES3/G3B?
Uh, A35 invests in Singapore Government Securities. Do you think financial markets have highly volatile assessments of whether the Government of Singapore will honor its debts? No, they don’t....

But they do have market interest rate volatility. The prices of outstanding bonds, including government bonds, fluctuate. Thus the total Singapore dollar value of the government bonds A35 holds fluctuates, and thus the share price of A35 fluctuates. A35 also distributes dividends, so its share price should fall sharply, to some degree, immediately after shareholders of record qualify for a dividend distribution.

I hope I am making sense.
Not really. ;)

There’s no particular reason why a bond fund’s price should be less volatile than a stock fund’s price, or vice versa, over a particular period of time. They’re different holdings with different characteristics.

A35 is an extremely conservative investment vehicle — too conservative for general retail investor use, in my view. But A35 is not capital guaranteed. Only the bonds A35 holds are guaranteed, individually and by the full faith and credit of the Government of Singapore. You can buy shares of A35 and see the price of those shares fall, even a lot and for a long time — certainly possible. That’s exactly what would happen in a rising interest rate environment. The prices of outstanding bonds (at least high quality bonds) are inversely related to market interest rates. Interest rates up = bond prices down.
 

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Hi All,

I just started buying ES3 using FSMOne RSP due to their low fees. Does anyone know if those stocks can be transferred to IBKR SG in the future once I have enough stocks to reach the 100k mark?

Transfer from FSMOne to CDP is free. Question is, is it possible to transfer from CDP to IBKR? And how much does it cost?
 

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Hi Shiny/BBC,

Have read the book regarding portfolio balancing. Let's say if I'm invested in G3B via POSB IS, is there a way for me to sell partially in order to reinvest into other stocks/bond?

Or am I missing something out?
 

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Hi Shiny/BBC,

Have read the book regarding portfolio balancing. Let's say if I'm invested in G3B via POSB IS, is there a way for me to sell partially in order to reinvest into other stocks/bond?

Or am I missing something out?

You just redeem G3B on POSB IS and use the money to buy other ETFs
 

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hi everyone and Shiny,

i'm looking to invest a sum of money from my CPF OA. Under the Professionally Managed Products section. I have couple of choice to invest it in here - https://www.cpf.gov.sg/Assets/members/Documents/CPFISInvestmentProducts.pdf

which says i have a choice of buying the SG ETF index funds or bonds, unit trust, ilp or endowment. If I were to leave it in the CPF, my returns would be 2.5% annual.

My two choices are now either STI ETF or choose a unit trust. My timeline is around 2 years.

Given the safer choice is to go with the STI etf, i believe the sti etf dividend payout can outperform the 2.5% cpf returns. And once we are out of the covid situation, we might be able to even see some capital gains.

If unit trust, ive seen some unit trust and their funds are performing well, which means the entry price seems expensive tho. not sure about capital gains in the future.

What would you recommend? STI ETF or unit trusts

https://www.cpf.gov.sg/Assets/members/Documents/RCSUT_ListA.pdf
 

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Uh, A35 invests in Singapore Government Securities. Do you think financial markets have highly volatile assessments of whether the Government of Singapore will honor its debts? No, they don’t....

But they do have market interest rate volatility. The prices of outstanding bonds, including government bonds, fluctuate. Thus the total Singapore dollar value of the government bonds A35 holds fluctuates, and thus the share price of A35 fluctuates. A35 also distributes dividends, so its share price should fall sharply, to some degree, immediately after shareholders of record qualify for a dividend distribution.


Not really. ;)

There’s no particular reason why a bond fund’s price should be less volatile than a stock fund’s price, or vice versa, over a particular period of time. They’re different holdings with different characteristics.

A35 is an extremely conservative investment vehicle — too conservative for general retail investor use, in my view. But A35 is not capital guaranteed. Only the bonds A35 holds are guaranteed, individually and by the full faith and credit of the Government of Singapore. You can buy shares of A35 and see the price of those shares fall, even a lot and for a long time — certainly possible. That’s exactly what would happen in a rising interest rate environment. The prices of outstanding bonds (at least high quality bonds) are inversely related to market interest rates. Interest rates up = bond prices down.

That was extremely insightful. Thank you very much!
 

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hi everyone and Shiny,

i'm looking to invest a sum of money from my CPF OA. Under the Professionally Managed Products section. I have couple of choice to invest it in here - https://www.cpf.gov.sg/Assets/members/Documents/CPFISInvestmentProducts.pdf

which says i have a choice of buying the SG ETF index funds or bonds, unit trust, ilp or endowment. If I were to leave it in the CPF, my returns would be 2.5% annual.

My two choices are now either STI ETF or choose a unit trust. My timeline is around 2 years.

Given the safer choice is to go with the STI etf, i believe the sti etf dividend payout can outperform the 2.5% cpf returns. And once we are out of the covid situation, we might be able to even see some capital gains.

If unit trust, ive seen some unit trust and their funds are performing well, which means the entry price seems expensive tho. not sure about capital gains in the future.

What would you recommend? STI ETF or unit trusts

https://www.cpf.gov.sg/Assets/members/Documents/RCSUT_ListA.pdf

Getting a property after 2 yrs ?
I wouldn't touch the oa
 

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My two choices are now either STI ETF or choose a unit trust. My timeline is around 2 years.

Getting a property after 2 yrs ?
I wouldn't touch the oa
Nyan, did you mean 20 years? Because if you really meant 2 years, I agree with Thoreldan.

For perspective, the 2 year Singapore Government Security (NY07100X) is currently yielding about 0.23% if you were to buy it on the secondary market, excluding fees and the bid-ask spread. Your CPF Ordinary Account is yielding 2.5%, or about 227 basis points above the yield on the same government's 2 year debt. You should be thrilled with 2.5%/year on 2 year money in the current environment.
 
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