Official Shiny Things thread—Part III

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Stagflation by oil price shock. How about developing your analysis by hearing both sides of story than blindly following the mainstream discourse

https://www.nber.org/papers/w8389

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Modify the all weather port to your own risk appetite


Good luck fellas. US has become the largest producer of the world during 50-80$ oil per barrel.

More bailouts soon... fed balance sheet 10 trillion could be a understatement. Will china and Russia bow down and have a plaza accord allowing the dollar to continue its rule. The world is complex.
 
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The question is “how aggressively do you want to bet on inflation skyrocketing, and how willing are you to take losses while you wait for your bet to pay off?”. Linker yields are godawful right now; IGIL has a yield-to-maturity of about half a percent, no dividend, and a real yield of minus 0.6 percent—so buying IGIL means you won’t keep up with inflation, you’ll actually trail inflation by about two-thirds of a percent.

Also I’d ask “do you know what you’re buying?”. IGIL is like three-quarters composed of US and UK linkers, so you’re betting on inflation specifically in the US and UK; if inflation in Singapore takes off, IGIL won’t help you much.
The first thing I did was to look into the benchmark exposure (reflected in my original post); I still am trying to figure out for what types of investors and WHY would IGIL make appropriate investment allocation.

https://www.bbhub.io/indices/sites/2/2017/03/Index-Methodology-2017-03-17-FINAL-FINAL.pdf
Page 105 onwards for the benchmark construction methodology.
 

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There needs to be a supply shock of some kind to cause stagflation -- a necessary but not sufficient condition. The classic supply shock was an oil price shock, but obviously that's not happening right now. Even with COVID-19, which has certain supply shock aspects, we're really not seeing that since it's much more a demand shock.

Ah yes, thanks. For the record, I'm not a goldbugger. But I've been reading up a lot recently on gold as a hedge and Ray Dalio's All Weather Portfolio. As much as I'm a subscriber of John Bogle's Three-Fund Portfolio philosophy (which ST's recommendations are a modification of), when someone as influential as Dalio speaks up you listen to what he has to say.

As someone who's relatively young, I'm not particularly worried about stagflation though. Perhaps when I'm older and closer to retirement, I'll consider inflation-linked bonds.
 

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Hi, I'm new to investing and only just finished reading ST ebook. Few weeks back, I opened an ocbc account as I want to start investing. Only reason I chose ocbc was because it's the bank I'm using. Now after I've read the book, i would like to switch to ST recommended broker

- is there any fees to be paid if I switch broker within such short time frame?

- Any other broker to recommend? I saw saxo markets which offer lower rates. Is it because of the custody fee they charged, hence the lower trading fees?

- I've set aside a sum of money for investing. What's the recommendation on the initial amount to put in based on current market situation? Based on the 40:40:20 rule, do I invest the lump sum in 1 shot or do I invest it periodically?

I'm very new to investing. I would like to learn more about it. Any other books to recommend?

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Hi shiny, do u recommend if I only have 1000sgd per month for investment to put all on IWDA ?
 

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Hi, I'm new to investing and only just finished reading ST ebook. Few weeks back, I opened an ocbc account as I want to start investing. Only reason I chose ocbc was because it's the bank I'm using. Now after I've read the book, i would like to switch to ST recommended broker

- is there any fees to be paid if I switch broker within such short time frame?

Nope, just close your account. They can't stop you.

- Any other broker to recommend? I saw saxo markets which offer lower rates. Is it because of the custody fee they charged, hence the lower trading fees?

Yeah, I explicitly discourage people from using Saxo. They have custody fees, which are always and everywhere a ripoff. (I used to use Saxo, and they used to be good! I moved away from them when they started imposing custody fees, though.)

- I've set aside a sum of money for investing. What's the recommendation on the initial amount to put in based on current market situation?

For anyone who's sitting on a lump sum, my usual recommendation is to split it into four or six lumps, and invest one lump each month. That way, you'll spread out your purchases, so if the market dips you'll be able to take advantage of it, and if the market rallies from here, at least you'll have bought some.

I'm very new to investing. I would like to learn more about it. Any other books to recommend?

Ooh. I personally quite like Burton Malkiel's A Random Walk Down Wall Street as a starting point.

There needs to be a supply shock of some kind to cause stagflation

Yeah, this is right. I genuinely do not understand all the people who are screaming about stagflation when the price of energy—the biggest driver of inflation markets—is collapsing literally through the floor. At some point these people need to admit they're wrong.

Yes, the cost of this most effective inflation hedge seems quite high right now.

If you're looking for someone to blame: funnily enough, the entity to blame for the cost of inflation hedges is UK life insurance companies.

UK lifers have phenomenally large inflation-indexed liabilities, and because they are not insane, they like to hedge those with UK-inflation-linked bonds. The size of their inflation-indexed pensions books is so large, and the duration of those liabilities is so long, that UK pensions have hoovered up basically the entire market for UK linkers up to the longest maturity available (currently a 2068). I'd say the UK Treasury could issue basically any amount of linkers they wanted, and UK pensions would buy everything on offer.

For a normal bond, an increase in demand -> increase in price -> decrease in yield. Linkers work pretty similarly: increase in demand -> increase in price -> decrease in real yield (the return of the bond above inflation).

The 2068 UK linker was issued at a paltry premium of 0.125%; they're now trading at a real yield of nearly -2.4%(!!). So if you bought the 2068 linker now, you'd be guaranteeing that you underperform UK inflation by about 2.4% a year for the next forty-eight years. Where do I sign, he said facetiously.

The first thing I did was to look into the benchmark exposure (reflected in my original post); I still am trying to figure out for what types of investors and WHY would IGIL make appropriate investment allocation.

I'm trying to find the market for it as well and I'm struggling. The only sort of investors who really need inflation-linked exposure are investors who are close to retirement and want a good cost-of-living hedge. And the way IGIL's exposure is sprayed across a bunch of currencies means that it's a very dirty cost-of-living hedge, trading at very rich prices (see above); if you want a cost-of-living hedge you might as well just buy equities, TBH.

Ah yes, thanks. For the record, I'm not a goldbugger. But I've been reading up a lot recently on gold as a hedge and Ray Dalio's All Weather Portfolio.

Yeah, I'm a bit sceptical of All Weather. I keep hearing that Ray "Look At Me I'm A Management Philosopher" Dalio came up with All Weather as a strategy to invest his own personal account... but Dalio's in a very different situation from most people. He's a squillionaire! He doesn't need to run up the score; his focus would be on protecting his wealth rather than growing it, so he would have a much more conservative allocation than most people. And that's what All Weather feels like to me: an excessively conservative allocation for someone who's already fabulously wealthy.
 

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Does anyone knows why today stoxx600, SP500 and Russell 2000 drop on average 3% but IWDA drops 4%?

Uh, am I missing something? I'm seeing IWDA closed at $52.52 today (April 21st), down exactly 3% on the day.

Hi shiny, do u recommend if I only have 1000sgd per month for investment to put all on IWDA ?

No, I don't recommend that. No matter what your investment size, you always want to be diversified across stocks and bonds, and local stocks and global stocks.
 

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Hi ST,

Should I open an IBKR account if I plan to invest $1.5k monthly?

Currently my USD holdings are way under US$100k.

Should i invest 1.5k on IWDA and ES3 on alternate months?

I am currently 29 yo and I'm wondering if I should treat CPF as my bond allocation and hence don't invest any amount into MBH.

May I know whats your take on this?
 

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Hi ST,

Should I open an IBKR account if I plan to invest $1.5k monthly?

Currently my USD holdings are way under US$100k.

Should i invest 1.5k on IWDA and ES3 on alternate months?

I am currently 29 yo and I'm wondering if I should treat CPF as my bond allocation and hence don't invest any amount into MBH.

May I know whats your take on this?

$1.5K per month is above the conventional cut off of $1K that we recommend people to use IB. At your investment level, you could comfortably allocate $750 per month to IWDA using IB and $750 per month to ES3 using FSMOne RSP (or whatever proportion you want to split your IWDA/ES3 asset allocation). You don't have to alternate investing $1.5K each month to each counter. This is because whatever commission you generate monthly (if you only buy IWDA once a month) should be less than the USD 10 activity fee, and so you're going to be paying USD 10 per month regardless of whether you invest in IWDA monthly or every two months.
 
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You dont have to split this 1.5k. And no, not alternate months.

1.5k monthly so you use SCB for ES3 and MBH, IB for IWDA.

1.5k per month into only 1 asset, depending on which asset has the most shortfall


Hi ST,

Should I open an IBKR account if I plan to invest $1.5k monthly?

Currently my USD holdings are way under US$100k.

Should i invest 1.5k on IWDA and ES3 on alternate months?

I am currently 29 yo and I'm wondering if I should treat CPF as my bond allocation and hence don't invest any amount into MBH.

May I know whats your take on this?
 

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I'm trying to find the market for it as well and I'm struggling. The only sort of investors who really need inflation-linked exposure are investors who are close to retirement and want a good cost-of-living hedge. And the way IGIL's exposure is sprayed across a bunch of currencies means that it's a very dirty cost-of-living hedge, trading at very rich prices (see above); if you want a cost-of-living hedge you might as well just buy equities, TBH.
Agreed, but we’re answering the question that was asked. IF inflation surges, then IGIL should do quite well. It seems richly priced right now, but in that particular circumstance (roaring inflation) it’d probably become even more richly priced. And it’d compensate for inflation more directly (track it more closely) and with less volatility than equities.

But no, IGIL is not for me and not for most people.

Although I kind of like this month’s (bought within April, 2020 — and there’s just a few days to do that) U.S. I Bond, the inflation-indexed savings bond. But U.S. Savings Bonds are quite hard to access for most people (you need a TreasuryDirect account, which requires a U.S. mailing address, U.S. bank or credit union account, and U.S. Social Security Number), they’re for conservative U.S. dollar savings, and the I Bond has a minimum 12 month lock.
 

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Hi ST,

Should I open an IBKR account if I plan to invest $1.5k monthly?

Currently my USD holdings are way under US$100k.

Should i invest 1.5k on IWDA and ES3 on alternate months?

I am currently 29 yo and I'm wondering if I should treat CPF as my bond allocation and hence don't invest any amount into MBH.

May I know whats your take on this?

Hi 13luetooth,

You can put this troll (flowerpalms) in your ignore list and ignore whatever recommendations which is not backed by anything...

You dont have to split this 1.5k. And no, not alternate months.

1.5k monthly so you use SCB for ES3 and MBH, IB for IWDA.

1.5k per month into only 1 asset, depending on which asset has the most shortfall

This is ST reply a few page back on his wrong regurgitating of false information to mislead people...

This was the advice in 2015-2017 and 2019 (ex a brief, shining period in 2019 when Maybank Kim Eng had a very good RSP and then shut it down, I like to think because we brought them too much attention); however, these days the FSMOne RSP is cheaper than the POSB RSP.

As someone pointed out upthread, FSMOne is either the same price as, or cheaper than, both Stanchart and POSB (I don’t think there’s any size where FSMOne isn’t the cheapest, and I think this may have been a deliberate pricing decision by FSMOne).

FSMOne is not the best for stocks outside Singapore; but for ES3 and MBH, it’s absolutely the right choice.

So FSM RSP if you want to buy SGX listed stock be it ES3/G3B/MBH/A35 and IB or SCB only for IWDA/VWRA/VWRD...

Just some factual information on selecting a broker to buy SGX listed stock...

DBS Vickers Cash Upfront fees for buying is 0.12% or minimum $10...

FSM buying is 0.08% or minimum $10...

SCB is 0.20% or minimum $10...

If you want your shares to be in CDP, DBS Vickers Cash Upfront is the only cheapest option...If you want the lowest fees, FSM should be the lowest at 0.08%...SCB would only be the option if you are a Priority Banking Client or intend to hit Priority Banking with SCB to pay 0.18% commission with no minimum fees...

Just one thing to add, if you do not have a DBS Vickers Account, you can get commission free trade on your first 5 trades before 30th June if you open an account from 01 Apr...

https://www.dbs.com.sg/personal/promotion/dbsvo-5-free-online-trades


Edit: To avoid confusion... Edited for clarity...
 
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Hi guys. Anyone considered using Saxo to buy IWDA? How are the forex spread and fees ? Thanks! I am on IBKR myself and just seeing if there are better options out there for ppl that don't invest monthly :)

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Hi guys. Anyone considered using Saxo to buy IWDA? How are the forex spread and fees ? Thanks! I am on IBKR myself and just seeing if there are better options out there for ppl that don't invest monthly :)

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Saxo isn't good for IWDA because of the custodian fee. If you're planning to use it for local ETFs, fine (because they don't charge custodian for local stocks). But it's generally a bad idea to use Saxo for international ETFs.

Use Standard Chartered instead.
 

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Thank you guys for the valuable response.

Time to figure out how to open IBKR account now :)

$1.5K per month is above the conventional cut off of $1K that we recommend people to use IB. At your investment level, you could comfortably allocate $750 per month to IWDA using IB and $750 per month to ES3 using FSMOne RSP (or whatever proportion you want to split your IWDA/ES3 asset allocation). You don't have to alternate investing $1.5K each month to each counter. This is because whatever commission you generate monthly (if you only buy IWDA once a month) should be less than the USD 10 activity fee, and so you're going to be paying USD 10 per month regardless of whether you invest in IWDA monthly or every two months.

You dont have to split this 1.5k. And no, not alternate months.

1.5k monthly so you use SCB for ES3 and MBH, IB for IWDA.

1.5k per month into only 1 asset, depending on which asset has the most shortfall
 

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Thanks for ur hostility. I have no idea why is this even required if your response doesn't serve any value in it. Not everyone read through entire chat and able to search for the answers thoroughly. I have done my part to search all 3 chats hence I asked that question

How was I hostile towards you? i just asked you to ignore whatever the troll flowerpalms posted as he keep regurgitating outdated information which have been mentioned and corrected numerous times here...

Edit: Same for anyone new asking questions, ignore whatever flowerpalms posted as he is talking nonsense and just wait for shiny to post...I edited the post to avoid any confusion...
 
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How was I hostile towards you? i just asked you to ignore whatever the troll flowerpalms posted as he keep regurgitating outdated information which have been mentioned and corrected numerous times here...

Edit: Same for anyone new asking questions, ignore whatever flowerpalms posted as he is talking nonsense and just wait for shiny to post...I edited the post to avoid any confusion...

My apologies. The previous post confused me. I have deleted my comment already.
 

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Hi 13luetooth,

So FSM RSP if you want to buy SGX listed stock be it ES3/G3B/MBH/A35 and IB or SCB only for IWDA/VWRA/VWRD...

Edit: To avoid confusion... Edited for clarity...

Thank you for the guidance. Just wondering if u guys have portions of ES3/MBH all over the places like FSM RSP and SCB and etc?

I find that quite difficult to manage the portfolio :/
 
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