Olam Group - f.k.a. Olam International *Official* (SGX: VC2)

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Bro, I tell you I am going to do something very risky, I am going to sell off another counter and add on at least 10 lots of olam depending on the price level later. I think I am mad liao....:)

Averaging down without proper plan is one of the deadly investment habits. U will be at the mercy by the market and all u can do is pray and hope for the best if it goes wrong...
 

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I never quite like Olam, but to put in a fair word for Olam, Muddy Waters' argument seems to hinge on one main pivot on revaluation gains (which is not allowed in US GAAP, but allowed under IFRS).

Carson Blockhead could be just out of his depth regarding accounting rules, so all hope is not lost for Olam supporters.

What is IFRS by the way?
 

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I never quite like Olam, but to put in a fair word for Olam, Muddy Waters' argument seems to hinge on one main pivot on revaluation gains (which is not allowed in US GAAP, but allowed under IFRS).

Carson Blockhead could be just out of his depth regarding accounting rules, so all hope is not lost for Olam supporters.

His business model is unique but at the same time not trustable at times, he researches on fraudulent companies and issue the report for free to retail investors. Thus creating a negative view on the company and short to make a profit.

His only real call was sino forest which was highly regarded by people that his judgements are good. Hence people will listen to his research.
 

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His business model is unique but at the same time not trustable at times, he researches on fraudulent companies and issue the report for free to retail investors. Thus creating a negative view on the company and short to make a profit.

His only real call was sino forest which was highly regarded by people that his judgements are good. Hence people will listen to his research.

Hee hee, so many panic sellings ongoing now based on one guy's statement. He also quite pro siao...
 

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bros.. pls cut once. My advise. Im not into SG stocks or Olam, but if theres a way to arb, shorting shares in another exchange on this co, and if its NYSE, im sure alot of Hedge fund are dialing their primes to borrow shares from u guys, to short more, so they can go long somewhere. They might just squeeze to what 30-40 cents ? U guys really want to hold ?

It might just blow up... but anyway trading halted... GL !
 

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Seems quite unfair that this guy can somewhat manipulate the market just by saying some words...
 

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Seems quite unfair that this guy can somewhat manipulate the market just by saying some words...

After a nice sleep, it never drop to 1.4 and it bounces back after a while...sien max....tomorrow it will be the headline liao. It is so stupid to see so many people follow suit, now he can cover back his short position nice and sweet.
i wanna see how many people get burned by shorting olam.
 

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Seems quite unfair that this guy can somewhat manipulate the market just by saying some words...

no one said life was fair, i also can wish that i was related to Ben Bernanke or anyone who has power to "control" the market but i can't :(

It's a matter of survival :o
 

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Isn't it true for commodities business? They just expand by acquiring other players or buying stakes.

I cannot say for all companies. It would be great if a company who buys another company is able to integrate them together and execute a plan to improve its position in the commodities market but Olam is like keep on buying and buying and not able to integrate the different companies together to improve its financial performance. Granted, it could have became too complex for Sunny to integrate them together.

A quick look at some key fundamentals of last 5 years of data

Net Profit Margin
2008: 2.1%
2009: 2.9%
2010: 3.4%
2011: 2.7%
2012: 2.1%

Cashflow from Operation. Parentheses denotes negative

2008: (666 million)
2009: 417 million
2010: (1056 million)
2011: (1623 million)
2012: 187 million

Debt-Equity Ratio

2008: 8.405
2009: 3.963
2010: 3.118
2011: 4.384
2012: 2.848

Muddy is right in saying that it is highly in debt. The other been Noble. Wilmar is not that highly geared as the other two. The profit margin is very low. I did not check how commodities company in other countries are doing but as far as Singapore commodities companies are concern, I would give it a miss.
 

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For the benefit of those who did not subscribe to Muddy Waters research newsletter. Again, please do your own due dilligence when buying/selling stocks...;)



To Olam CEO Sunny Verghese and the Board of Directors:

In the two and one-half years Muddy Waters, LLC has been openly criticizing publicly-traded companies, we have not seen a response as defensive as yours - not even from Sino-Forest. On Monday, our Director of Research gave a brief talk on Olam at a well-respected charity event. He presented facts about Olam along with Muddy Waters's opinion that Olam is at risk of collapsing due multiple factors, including its debt load. As Olam has since said, his comments were not overly substantive. But based on this alone, Olam halted its stock, scheduled two conference calls, discussed buying back shares, and issued statements that included saying it is not a "fly-by-night company". It has further evidenced a bizarre fixation on baseball caps.

Olam's disproportionate reaction is extraordinary in our experience. Should Olam come to collapse (as we believe it will), its use of much-needed cash to buy back shares at this time should give rise to questions about whether fiduciary responsibilities have been breached -- particularly given the possible existence of individual motivations that are not necessarily aligned with those of Olam's lenders. We also note Olam's attempts to impugn our credibility.

You and your investors should note that attempting to silence critics is not a plan of corrective action. In no way does it make Olam stronger. The February 2011 CLSA report, which raised far fewer concerns than we have identified internally, and that Olam itself made so controversial, should have caused you to work toward repairing what ails your business and your balance sheet. Instead, Olam has since increased its a) debt load by approximately S$900 million, b) cumulative investment cash burn by approximately S$2 billion, and c) cumulative operating cash burn by approximately S$500 million. In other words, you did the exact opposite of what you should have done. Your actions have been an abject failure of leadership.

Companies that attack criticism the way Olam does fail to understand that raising money from the public is a privilege. Because Olam has received significant investment from the government of Singapore, Olam's mismanagement of the public trust is that much less forgivable. Know this: You voluntarily came to the market, you subjected yourselves to its forces, and you must bear the consequences of your ineptitude.

We do not work for an investment bank, and cannot be bullied the way other analysts can. Our research into Olam has been exhaustive, and we plan to resolutely stand by it regardless of any attempts you might make to discredit it or us.

We therefore suggest you find better uses of your time than focusing on criticism. For instance, you might want to work on plans to reign in your CapEx and de-leverage. The clock is likely ticking.

Warmest Regards,
Muddy Waters, LLC
 

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think it will go back to 1.7 before dropping agian. :s22:

Not worth risking my money in here. Almost went in until I read the letter from muddy waters online.
 

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Getting Interesting...:o

*DJ Olam: Initiated Legal Action in Singapore High Court Against Muddy Waters, Carson Block
Dow Jones Newswires | 21 Nov 2012 6:49pm

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November 21, 2012 05:49 ET (10:49 GMT)

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Sue the katek for trespass at minimum.

Notice that the letter did not deny that Carlson Block visited Olam's office.
 
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