Pes C2L3 enquiry

choelcho

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Hi,

I'm recently got downgraded to C2L3 due to degenerated disc and am currently in an combat unit. My unit will be having a 5d4n outfield at the end of the month and my sect comm told me that despite my pes status (i'm helping out with the stores right now), i still have to go.

Am i obliged to go for the field camp despite my pes status? I understand L3 means only deployable in the base only and excused from field. If my oc insists, should i go to the mo?

I'm also perm excuse heavy load.
 
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perhaps your commanders are not familiar with the limitations with what L3 means? did you try speaking with them?

if you die die don't want to go, speak with your MO see how...
 

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perhaps your commanders are not familiar with the limitations with what L3 means? did you try speaking with them?

if you die die don't want to go, speak with your MO see how...

Just spoke with my PC, he said from what he "knows", L3 still have to attend the full outfield and help with stores.

Also, we'll be having a minor outfield this thurs and fri where we'll be spending the night at the training shed. I went to enquire with the conducting officer as i already have problems sleeping on the saf beds, and now they want me to sleep on cold hard ground? Instead he told me to sleep in the tank instead as it is more "comfortable". Is he allowed to force me to sleep at the shed knowing that i have an existing back condition which hinders my sleep and lasts for life? I gave up arguing as the sergeants there also quite guai lan and think i chao geng when i already have memos and reports to prove my condition.

If i seek help from the mo, what will he do? My back already hurts so bad especially when i'm sitting on the tonner, all the mo does is give me painkillers.
 

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If your PC, SC & MO do not think you are chao geng, why you are unable to get an excuse status?

By the way, the answer is yes to your question!

Your Commander do not needs to force you but order you to sleep in the tank or training shed because you do not have the excuse status from MO!

This is because we all are worst then a dog in Singapore due to NS liabilities!

Just spoke with my PC, he said from what he "knows", L3 still have to attend the full outfield and help with stores.

Also, we'll be having a minor outfield this thurs and fri where we'll be spending the night at the training shed. I went to enquire with the conducting officer as i already have problems sleeping on the saf beds, and now they want me to sleep on cold hard ground? Instead he told me to sleep in the tank instead as it is more "comfortable". Is he allowed to force me to sleep at the shed knowing that i have an existing back condition which hinders my sleep and lasts for life? I gave up arguing as the sergeants there also quite guai lan and think i chao geng when i already have memos and reports to prove my condition.

If i seek help from the mo, what will he do? My back already hurts so bad especially when i'm sitting on the tonner, all the mo does is give me painkillers.
 

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As a slave doing NS, you are obliged to do anything you are asked to do. :s13:

When I was a NSF, even people who are C9 L3 with tons of excuses also had to go outfield. All they have to say is not enough manpower and too bad.
 

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Arrow PES C = Fit for combat service support vocations. (Modified BMT)

Further subdivided into:

PES C2 - Do not have to take IPPT for NSF/ NSman, except regulars who are required to take Alternative Aerobic Fitness Test (AAFT).

PES C9 - All servicemen not required to take IPPT.

PES C grading will be followed by L-Code (Land Deployability Code) as follows:

L2 – Fit for most field duties. Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations of Brigade HQ level units and above, and/or Combat Support vocations in frontline units of Battalion and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.

L3 – Able to bear firearms and operate in a field environment. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.

L9 – Able to bear firearms and protect themselves, others and property. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations in Main Support Area, and/or Combat Service Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above.
 

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Source: MINDEF Services > Register for NS > General Information > Medical Classification Centre
Physical Employment Status (PES)

The PES grading assigned is based on your medical condition and is used by the SAF in determining your vocation during your NS period.

PES A

Fit for all combat vocations (Full BMT).

All PES A and B1 will be followed by the L-Code (Land Deployability Code) as follows:

L1 – Fit for all field duties including frontline duty. Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations and be involved in direct combat.
PES B1

Fit for most combat vocations (Full BMT).

PES B2

Fit for some combat vocations. Required to take IPPT but can be excused up to 2 static stations in IPPT.

PES B2 grading will be followed by the L-Code (Land Depolyability Code) as follows:

L1 – Fit for all field duties including frontline duty. Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations and be involved in direct combat.

L2 – Fit for most field duties. Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations of Brigade HQ level units and above, and/or Combat Support vocations in frontline units of Battalion and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.

L3 – Able to bear firearms and operate in a field environment. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above, and/or Combat Service Support Vocations at all echelons.
PES BP

Fit for Obese BMT.

PES C

Fit for combat support vocations (Modified BMT).

Further subdivided into:

PES C2 – Do not have to take IPPT except Regulars who are required to take Alternative Aerobic Fitness Test (AAFT).

PES C9 – All servicemen not required to take IPPT.

PES C grading will be followed by L-Code (Land Deployability Code) as follows:

L2 – Fit for most field duties. Can be deployed in Manoeuvre vocations of Brigade HQ level units and above, and/or Combat Support vocations in frontline units of Battalion and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.

L3 – Able to bear firearms and operate in a field environment. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above, and/or Combat Service Support vocations at all echelons.

L9 – Able to bear firearms and protect themselves, others and property. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations in Main Support Area, and/or Combat Service Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above.
PES D

Temporarily unfit for grading and pending further review.

PES E

Fit for administrative duties only.

Further subdivided into:

PES E1 – Able to participate in simple observance parades and LIFE activities.

PES E9 – Unfit for any forms of physical activities.

PES E grading will be followed by L-Code (Land Deployability Code) as follows:

L9 – Able to bear firearms and protect themselves, others and property. Can be deployed in Combat Support vocations in Main Support Area, and/or Combat Service Support vocations of Brigade HQ and above.
PES F

Medically unfit for any form of service.
 

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like to check on the AAFT cycling. I heard they will set the restraint to "2". What is the watt equivalent? My gym only use "watt" but I know the machine used in the AAFT cycling is in 1, 2, 3 etc not watt.

What is the passing time for the AAFT 8km cycling?
 
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