Pioneer Plasma Thread

[cscs3]

The fact remains that you did call the sets our members own display sets. You still did not show proof of this.

Is easy to proof. Just the the delivery box if you still keep them. Check carefully on the transperant masking tape to see if it is double seal (ie one layer on top of the other) that's all. Is up to you to believe it. Why would shops comit to over stock product and keep in warehouse for 1 year and start to reduce warranty period? These are not cheap item anyway.

 

[Yurikaze]

Is easy to proof. Just the the delivery box if you still keep them. Check carefully on the transperant masking tape to see if it is double seal (ie one layer on top of the other) that's all. Is up to you to believe it. Why would shops comit to over stock product and keep in warehouse for 1 year and start to reduce warranty period? These are not cheap item anyway.

So if no double seal leh? Brand new liao ar... They give 3 years warranty leh.. Not 1 year.

 

[jitcheng]

So if no double seal leh? Brand new liao ar... They give 3 years warranty leh.. Not 1 year.

I have sent an inquiry email to Pioneer Singapore about this supposed display set-sell-as-new issue. Will keep all updated on their reply. I am one who bought this unit at the discounted price from Audiohouse last week.

My set is manufactured in Aug 2008.

 

[cscs3]

So if no double seal leh? Brand new liao ar... They give 3 years warranty leh.. Not 1 year.

You have to be clear on this. Warranty is from the manufacturer not the shop. The shop sell you cheap and tell you warranty only 1 year. What does it means? The warranty time already start clocking well before he can sell the product off.

Just check the seal on the box carefully. Singapore consumer is not protected from this kind of thing. In other country. open box or display set has to be clearly mark - this is why few years back it started to have regulation to print product manufacturing date. Sure, it does not stop all but all least those product stay in market for a long period without registration of warranty. As every warranty claim means cost to the product.

By the way, Singapore consumer is also not protected from Service delivery for certain # of years after product last discontinue from the market. After the warranty, the agent can always tell you no more spare part to do repair. So it is up to you if you happen to sign up with one of those so call extended warranty.

 

[jitcheng]

This thread is getting interesting....

The extended warranty I got is from Pioneer Singapore - not Audiohouse where I bought the set from. Not sure about the set that others got from Courts - care to share?

In the retail market, from what I know, manufacturers/retailers will negotiate a base and extra warranty period to cover stock turn rate. This is a balance to address risks for both parties. Warranties to the end customer view starts from the date when the set is bought or delivered.

Just checked my box and it is single taped. But it is not uncommon that boxes can be replaced and what ever stickers on the box reprinted.

Until Pioneer Singapore replies to me on this, I will view this recent claim about display set-sold-as-new as unsubstantiated.

 

[Yurikaze]

You have to be clear on this. Warranty is from the manufacturer not the shop. The shop sell you cheap and tell you warranty only 1 year. What does it means? The warranty time already start clocking well before he can sell the product off.



Just check the seal on the box carefully. Singapore consumer is not protected from this kind of thing. In other country. open box or display set has to be clearly mark - this is why few years back it started to have regulation to print product manufacturing date. Sure, it does not stop all but all least those product stay in market for a long period without registration of warranty. As every warranty claim means cost to the product.



By the way, Singapore consumer is also not protected from Service delivery for certain # of years after product last discontinue from the market. After the warranty, the agent can always tell you no more spare part to do repair. So it is up to you if you happen to sign up with one of those so call extended warranty.

My warranty also is 3 years by pioneer leh. Not courts or audio hse leh.. U say like tat scaring pple u know. I have yet to deliver my set leh..

 

[cscs3]

This thread is getting interesting....

The extended warranty I got is from Pioneer Singapore - not Audiohouse where I bought the set from. Not sure about the set that others got from Courts - care to share?

In the retail market, from what I know, manufacturers/retailers will negotiate a base and extra warranty period to cover stock turn rate. This is a balance to address risks for both parties. Warranties to the end customer view starts from the date when the set is bought or delivered.

Just checked my box and it is single taped. But it is not uncommon that boxes can be replaced and what ever stickers on the box reprinted.

Until Pioneer Singapore replies to me on this, I will view this recent claim about display set-sold-as-new as unsubstantiated.

Think you have to be clear standard manufacturer 3 years warranty vs extended warranty which is a paid warranty contract.
I am not sure your set is delivery direct from Pioneer or the shop you purchased from?
But I think you know what type of reply you will be getting!

 

[cscs3]

My warranty also is 3 years by pioneer leh. Not courts or audio hse leh.. U say like tat scaring pple u know. I have yet to deliver my set leh..

Just make sure you check the packing carefully and date of manufactured.
If the package is double seal. By all means reject it as I never think this is safe even they say they open in the warehouse to check.

 

[cscs3]

This thread is getting interesting....

The extended warranty I got is from Pioneer Singapore - not Audiohouse where I bought the set from. Not sure about the set that others got from Courts - care to share?

In the retail market, from what I know, manufacturers/retailers will negotiate a base and extra warranty period to cover stock turn rate. This is a balance to address risks for both parties. Warranties to the end customer view starts from the date when the set is bought or delivered.

Just checked my box and it is single taped. But it is not uncommon that boxes can be replaced and what ever stickers on the box reprinted.

Until Pioneer Singapore replies to me on this, I will view this recent claim about display set-sold-as-new as unsubstantiated.

The negotiate portion you mention is long gone. As many dealer made use of this to claim warranty for a "used" set. Now a day common practices once after ceertain period is over. Warranty is consider started even you have proof of purchase. This is why sometime you see cheap new set offer but the shop owner tell you warranty already started for a few months etc.

 

[taho]

cscs3, after making a swift statement that all manufacture in 2008 are display set, and numerous posts on double taped, warranty, consumer protection and so on, you still have not show as proof that they are display set. You are just beating round the bush.

Perhaps you can enlighten us how to distinguish between a older stock and a display set. Or to you old stock = display set.


btw my box is poly strapped, No tapping mark at all. Errr.....I would be delighted if you can tell us the tell sign of a double strapped box.

 

[cstanhwz]

Saw the KRP-500P at HN. Sticker shows made in July 2009.

HN advertised in ST today as well.

$4999 with free BDP.

But do not see the KRP-500P model in their website.

Edit.. Just checked again, it is the KRP-500A printed on the box as well.

 

[jitcheng]

This is getting curiouser and curiouser...more fuel for speculation. but what are the reasons for the price differences between Courts/Audiohouse and HN? Would the 1 year difference in mfg date (in my case compared to Jul 09) qualify the price difference (substantial at 20%)? Or is it not exactly new but used as claimed by another forum member and hence the price difference?

But Jul 09 mfg date seems not to gel with a post from cscs3 that says the last batch of production is in Apr 09.

 

[petetherock]

AFAIK, Pioneer stopped making TVs last year - 2009.

Someone might have imported a last batch into Singapore and claiming a price premium. Mine was made in Jan 2009.

TVs are like most electronics, they either work or not, then how long it last depends on the quality of the parts.

You decide on your belief in the product. Not on unsubstantiated claims.

 

[jitcheng]

AFAIK, Pioneer stopped making TVs last year - 2009.

Someone might have imported a last batch into Singapore and claiming a price premium. Mine was made in Jan 2009.

TVs are like most electronics, they either work or not, then how long it last depends on the quality of the parts.

You decide on your belief in the product. Not on unsubstantiated claims.

I agree. And I believe the price premium for the Pioneer plasmas qualifies the quality of the parts.

Anyway, I sms the salesman who sold me the set in C3 about this discussion and let's see how he responds.

 

[rueyloon]

Try this on your Kuro:

What am i supposed to spot ? just wondering.

 

[cscs3]

cscs3, after making a swift statement that all manufacture in 2008 are display set, and numerous posts on double taped, warranty, consumer protection and so on, you still have not show as proof that they are display set. You are just beating round the bush.

Perhaps you can enlighten us how to distinguish between a older stock and a display set. Or to you old stock = display set.


btw my box is poly strapped, No tapping mark at all. Errr.....I would be delighted if you can tell us the tell sign of a double strapped box.

Those who study Electronics will know what is call a shelve life. All electronics componments has a shelve life as it need power to refresh its internal. The clear one is component like capacitors, battery, gas discharge devices etc. How long the shelve life is depend on type and storage condition.
JULY/2009 batch is very new! but possible.
See this : http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03/25/pioneer_plasma/

This is on business week:
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/feb2009/gb20090212_424440.htm

http://newteevee.com/2009/02/21/pioneers-kuro-killing-a-tipping-point-in-the-plasma-era/
Last portion: A little history of Pioneer Plasma TV history
"Pioneer’s decision to end its plasma production was more complicated. It bought out NEC’s plasma business in 2004, used it as an OEM for its glass, but was recently forced to shutter the unit. Now, the only plasma manufacturers left standing are Panasonic, LG, and Samsung, all of which make their own components."

Many may have forgotten this company call NEC, they are one of the pioneer of plasma display panel.

 

[jitcheng]

This industry news explains why the mfg date of my media box is oct 2009.but it still does not support the claim that panels made in 2008 are display sets.

 

[taho]

Those who study Electronics will know what is call a shelve life. All electronics componments has a shelve life as it need power to refresh its internal. The clear one is component like capacitors, battery, gas discharge devices etc. How long the shelve life is depend on type and storage condition.
JULY/2009 batch is very new! but possible.
See this : http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03/25/pioneer_plasma/

This is on business week:
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/feb2009/gb20090212_424440.htm

http://newteevee.com/2009/02/21/pioneers-kuro-killing-a-tipping-point-in-the-plasma-era/
Last portion: A little history of Pioneer Plasma TV history
"Pioneer’s decision to end its plasma production was more complicated. It bought out NEC’s plasma business in 2004, used it as an OEM for its glass, but was recently forced to shutter the unit. Now, the only plasma manufacturers left standing are Panasonic, LG, and Samsung, all of which make their own components."

Many may have forgotten this company call NEC, they are one of the pioneer of plasma display panel.

All the above information are interesting to know, which i myself and many forumers can easily wiki or google for it. What I'm more interested to know your claim of all sets are display set in your earlier posts.

Please and again stop telling us about shelf life and packaging. just go straight to the point and stop wasting our bandwidth and time.

 

[petetherock]

I think you have been wholly discredited in your claims. You may want to consider what you post in future...

 

[cscs3]

I think you have been wholly discredited in your claims. You may want to consider what you post in future...

I guess is up to you to believe it or not.
I would never trust a product that has been stocked for a year before reaching customer. Unless the shop tell you up front that this is a old stock, and you purchased it base on these understanding.

Many promoter is also reading this. They know the real reason behind!