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Anyone can claim their materials are "really" worth their price. Bribe a few experts and big names to support you

Anyone can claim that, but would anyone believe you if you cant deliver? High quality goods are expensive because they are high quality. Dior, Gucci, Prada and Louis Vuitton all started off as very small shops selling expensive goods and they managed to evolve into the behemoths they are today. When starting out, they did not have that brand name to bank on yet their prices are already high. People believe that their materials and craftsmanship are really worth that price and people who can afford it are usually not idiots. Right now your arguing that Houses like Dior, Burbery bribe consortiums of tailors worldwide to lie and support their claims that the fabric is expensive. Do you know how ridiculous you are sounding right now?

Another thing to keep in mind is whether a $100 polo shirt is 5x more comfortable or lasts 5 times as much as a $20 one

You dont measure comfort in purely mathetical terms; its subjective. Even if you want to do so, bear in mind that comfort doesnt scale in that level: ie: a 5 carat diamond is not the price of five 1 carat diamonds because it is more difficult to obtain 1 big one than 5 small ones. the scaling is hence disproportionate. As to the second point, i can guarantee you that a pair of $600 brogues from Church's will last easily 20 times longer than Charles and Keith shoes. The latter lasts on avg 3-6 months but with proper care Church's shoes can survive for 5-10 years.
 
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I do agree certain products are overpriced but most of the time you always pay for what you get. The more expensive polos have better colours and fitting. The quality is also much better, you usually won't find loose threads. The dyes will also last longer. There are alot of factors that go into these stuff. :s13:

One good example, non fashion related though, is a simple dri-fit shirt. I bought a cheap li-ning one and compared it with my adidas one. The adidas was lighter and had a better design of course.
 

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Not to mention that *some* high street labels blatantly ripoff looks from top designers. Just look at H&M's coats, they're 100% copies of Burberry, just of far, far worse make
 

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There are always people who will buy overpriced stuff because they dont know any better or they see a brand name and think its good. There are already people paying $1000+ for branded bags when bags made of full grain leather cost less than half of that.

Anyone can claim their materials are "really" worth their price. Bribe a few experts and big names to support you, and you can just say "The people who disagree with me don't know what they are talking about".

Another thing to keep in mind is whether a $100 polo shirt is 5x more comfortable or lasts 5 times as much as a $20 one. I can almost guarantee it wont. Plus with clothes, whether or not its "in season" affects the price heavily.

Example : A few months ago i bought some shirts at $15-20. Very cheap, on sale. Average quality. Compare to the full priced $60 Giordano shirt i bought a year ago...about the same feel and quality. But huge difference in price.

An accountant once told me luxury brands mark up their prices by at least 100x more than cost that is why they are worth billions now. Very little people buy them, thus the mark up.
 

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An accountant once told me luxury brands mark up their prices by at least 100x more than cost that is why they are worth billions now. Very little people buy them, thus the mark up.

So a Dior Homme shirt priced at $780 only costs $7.8 to make? some people say the stupidest things. My sister is in this industry and so is my aunt, the average markup is actually 2.1x. Very little people buy? are you sure? In many great cities like London/Paris, Chanel and LV are usually sold out country wide. Thats the point of having the 2-items-per-passport policy. If you watched 'The September Issue,' you would realize that demand far, far outstrips supply.
 

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Somehow agree on the demand outstrip supply part. Thus the pricey pricing... Its just like a plate of food. In coffee shops or hawker, a plate of vegetables cost you $6? In a restaurant(din tai fung), it cost you $12? Does this means their vegetables are pluck from heaven's ground? Their seasoning are all from the golden field? Well, i beg to differ.
 

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Does this means their vegetables are pluck from heaven's ground? Their seasoning are all from the golden field? Well, i beg to differ

Dior and LV are like the Foie Gras and Truffles of food :)
 

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So a Dior Homme shirt priced at $780 only costs $7.8 to make? some people say the stupidest things. My sister is in this industry and so is my aunt, the average markup is actually 2.1x. Very little people buy? are you sure? In many great cities like London/Paris, Chanel and LV are usually sold out country wide. Thats the point of having the 2-items-per-passport policy. If you watched 'The September Issue,' you would realize that demand far, far outstrips supply.

You then, must be from a rich family. Nuff said. I have owned many luxury brands and quality wise, they are far from premium.
 

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You then, must be from a rich family.

What has this got to do with anything? Anyway, I am well-to-do, not exactly rich.

I have owned many luxury brands and quality wise, they are far from premium

What brands do you have and what are you comparing against? Because I own some Dior, Burberry, Ferragamo and I must say their quality is outstanding. Maybe Gucci is bad (or at least in a steep decline) but then again, Houses rise and fall and fashion houses are no exception.
 

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Cost to make also includes executive salaries, marketing and celebrity endorsements. Actually cost of making a shirt (labor and raw materials) is usually very low.

Most people are not good judges of quality which is why big brands are so successful. Just tell them that they are paying a premium for good stuff can liao. The masses are easy to fool.
 

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What has this got to do with anything? Anyway, I am well-to-do, not exactly rich.



What brands do you have and what are you comparing against? Because I own some Dior, Burberry, Ferragamo and I must say their quality is outstanding. Maybe Gucci is bad (or at least in a steep decline) but then again, Houses rise and fall and fashion houses are no exception.

Most of those you have mentioned, i have. For instance, a burberry polo i once bought for $225, wasnt that premium felt as compared to a polo from uniqlo which only costs $29 or an Lv wallet purchased for $500+ didnt feel much diff compared to a wallet from even a brand like goldlion lol

In singapore, well to do implies richhh
 
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Cost to make also includes executive salaries, marketing and celebrity endorsements. Actually cost of making a shirt (labor and raw materials) is usually very low.

Most people are not good judges of quality which is why big brands are so successful. Just tell them that they are paying a premium for good stuff can liao. The masses are easy to fool.

Questin really speaks my mind off man... Really agree with you, thus my confidence in posting the first post... I can start a shop, sell my items high in price and with good quality but relatively cheap cost, get some celebs to advertise for me, get some endorsement, im good to go as a 'branded'... In reality, im just adopting the prestiege pricing method. So to the person whom quote my thread and wrote: "you joking bro?" my ans is, N0. Im not.
 

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Somehow agree on the demand outstrip supply part. Thus the pricey pricing... Its just like a plate of food. In coffee shops or hawker, a plate of vegetables cost you $6? In a restaurant(din tai fung), it cost you $12? Does this means their vegetables are pluck from heaven's ground? Their seasoning are all from the golden field? Well, i beg to differ.

The coffeeshop uncle doesn't cost as much as the chef at Din Tai Fung dah!
 

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Questin really speaks my mind off man... Really agree with you, thus my confidence in posting the first post... I can start a shop, sell my items high in price and with good quality but relatively cheap cost, get some celebs to advertise for me, get some endorsement, im good to go as a 'branded'... In reality, im just adopting the prestiege pricing method. So to the person whom quote my thread and wrote: "you joking bro?" my ans is, N0. Im not.

You can do that in SG.

But you'll be laughed off in Europe.

The people there are alot more practical. Asians are gullible because of the face issue. Not so in the Western world. They really know their stuff that's why counterfeits don't thrive as well as in Asia.
 

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Most of those you have mentioned, i have. For instance, a burberry polo i once bought for $225, wasnt that premium felt as compared to a polo from uniqlo which only costs $29 or an Lv wallet purchased for $500+ didnt feel much diff compared to a wallet from even a brand like goldlion lol

In singapore, well to do implies richhh

Beg to differ.

My picard is totally shiet compared to my previous braun buffel or my BV.

The leather for my picard wallet actually started peeling in 1 month. And the price cost is actually less than 10% difference from the Braun Buffel.

But I can also empathize with what some users experienced, some cheaper stuff really lasts longer than the expensive goods. It's all a matter of whether you can identify. My AJ polos stretched after a single wash, and is quite transparent compared to my other polos. Totally disgusted with the quality.

That said, some fashion houses really price their products on the extremely high end. It's hard to believe some of the stuff I see in Dior boutiques can be sold for upwards of $300, like a single plain white shirt with the silly bee.

Or Zegna polos going for $800, even though the cotton really feels different.
 

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Cost to make also includes executive salaries, marketing and celebrity endorsements. Actually cost of making a shirt (labor and raw materials) is usually very low

Labour and raw materials cheap? That is absolutely untrue. As I have said and will say again, My aunt and sister makes clothes for a living. I know that certain brands such as Gucci / Prada might have outsourced to China or hire lowly skilled chinese labourers to craft their items, but this is not true for the best of houses (LV, Dior and expecially Hermes). I have seen how expensive fabrics can actually be. Have you actually asked your tailors how much Dior/McQueen fabrics cost in the pure uncut form? As I said, easily up to $200/meter before you even stitch it. And you need more than 1metre of fabric to make a shirt, trust me. The embroided fabrics used in couture / haute couture are easily several times that, even up to 1k/metre if the threads are gold etc. As for labour, artisans for Hermes are not allowed to make anything unless they have recieved years in training. This includes training school, then apprenticeship and this takes roughly 5-10 years, depending on product (shirt/bags/leather..) An entry level apprentice roughly earns 2.5-3k euros per month. This is considered cheap to you?

Also. just some general information: the cotton used to make luxury clothes is usually Gossypium barbadense, which is extremely difficult to grow and by its biological properties, very susceptible to insect / fungal damage. Only about 2-5% (depending on region) of all cotton produced is the Gossypium barbadense variety. After subtracting the amount of crops that would not survive to be cultivated, you can easily tell how expensive it would cost just as a raw, unrefined material and yes, it is unusually long and silky which gives luxury goods that matt look and gorgeous silky texture.

For instance, a burberry polo i once bought for $225, wasnt that premium felt as compared to a polo from uniqlo which only costs $29 or an Lv wallet purchased for $500+ didnt feel much diff compared to a wallet from even a brand like goldlion lol

There are people that cannot differenciate between real and fake abalone. Doesnt actually make real abalone lousy or less premium just because one cannot differenciate.

can start a shop, sell my items high in price and with good quality but relatively cheap cost, get some celebs to advertise for me, get some endorsement, im good to go as a 'branded'... In reality, im just adopting the prestiege pricing method.

I would like to see you start a tiny unknown brand, hire Beyonce to endorse it, and be the next Mr Louis Vuitton. Just to spell it out, no international celebrity would willingly endorse an unknown brand even if you can shell out the millions required (I hardly think Mr Vuitton started off that rich) and that is a big, big if. Point: you need to actually give people their money's worth.

The leather for my picard wallet actually started peeling in 1 month. And the price cost is actually less than 10% difference from the Braun Buffel

If you look really closely and compare products across a relatively long time period, the differences are obvious. Burberry polos retain their colour and shape very well even after repeated (years) of washing while Giodarno / Hang ten fades after just a few months. Not to mention problems like thread fraying etc etc. My Uniqlo rollneck already lost its structure after the first wash.

Heck, ill be surprised if your Charles and Keith Heels make it past a year without damage and astounded if your Church's spoil in anything under 5 years
 
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I got Giordano polo lycra material, >5 years, still wearable, shapes change, a bit.
I got 2 lacoste polo, after first 2-3 wash, stretch like nobody biznez :-(

Both are machine wash, by my perception, if bought a expensive clothes still need take care carefully... It will be more like they r wearing me, instead of me wearing them.

Btw, got few AF polo and tee, still going strong after 2-3 years.
 

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You are certainly a fervent supporter of designer goods, going the extra mile to elaborate so as to defend the fashion houses that rip people off money.

Probably brought up in an upper class family, which adorned you with many ultra high end goods that it has become a norm to wear and buy them. You believe they are good because you were brought up with them and they have told you so.

A belief is not merely what the mind possesses but what possesses the mind.
I rest my case.
 
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You are certainly a fervent supporter of designer goods, going the extra mile to elaborate so as to defend the fashion houses that rip people off money.

Probably brought up in an upper class family, which adorned you with many ultra high end goods that it has become a norm to wear and buy them. You believe they are good because you were brought up with them and they have told you so.

A belief is not merely what the mind possesses but what possesses the mind.
I rest my case.

you are so pathetic. whereas i show and argue with logic and plain facts, you mud-sling and run smears topped with personal attacks. Im glad that you are resting your case before you embarrass yourself furthur.
 
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Most poeple think fabrics are cheap, but in reality they are not. The super high grade ones are not easy to produce at all, and what limited supply are always snatched up. Have any of you seen the process whereby they convert cotton into actual usuable fabric? For the luxurious ones you'll be stunned at how much effort goes into producing one bale.

When fashion houses buy fabrics, they are buying from suppliers and pay a fixed price for it. Hence when they price their clothes this is taken into consideration. They dont pay $5 for a bale and then price it at $500. They dont rip you off that much



I would LOVE to see you sell that much. The houses are not stupid, they would not pay that much for a length of cloth thats hardly worth anything. If pricing is way over the top and unreasonable, nobody would even consider buying. Would you spend $800 on a shirt that feels like its made from a rucksack even if its Dior? Dont forget the costs it would incur during the process of making a shirt from fabrics. I estimate Dior shirts actually cost around $200-$400, which means they profit about 50% from each item

what's the difference between a burberry london shirt that cost $600 vs a G2000 shirt that cost $60?
 
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