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Bro, for point 1,singapore women charter was enacted in 1961 and just look at the TFR since then.There's even a chart showing the decline of Singapore TFR since 1960.

If I remember correctly, women life in sg is not exactly as rosy as now before 1960.....
thank you 🙏🏼 I am just very curious 👀 how was females’ lives before 1960? do they like now able to vote? able to own properties? able to get an education? able to go to work and be senior management? able to go for facials, massage, manicure 💅 and pedicure and be daring challenge the authority and makes be the lady queen?
 

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thank you 🙏🏼 I am just very curious 👀 how was females’ lives before 1960? do they like now able to vote? able to own properties? able to get an education? able to go to work and be senior management? able to go for facials, massage, manicure 💅 and pedicure and be daring challenge the authority and makes be the lady queen?
Maybe can refer to mediacorp drama like price of peace, little nyonya etc etc bah. If they weren't suppressed at that time, the women's charter would not be born bah.
 

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Maybe can refer to mediacorp drama like price of peace, little nyonya etc etc bah. If they weren't suppressed at that time, the women's charter would not be born bah.
You were saying that in the past, there were very few women who went to university and worked as chief executive officer and managers. The reason is because there was a suppressed is the reason it’s not because of talent, capability and competency?
 

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You were saying that in the past, there were very few women who went to university and worked as chief executive officer and managers. The reason is because there was a suppressed is the reason it’s not because of talent, capability and competency?
In those days, not many were educated to university level for males not to mention females. I still remember my parents telling me that in their time, secondary 4 was considered a major accomplishment.

It's no wonder that the masses view the pap candidates then with awe as those were educated at overseas Universities.
 
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I know of a female resumed her studies at Raffles College in 1946, graduating the following year with a First Class was admitted to Girton College in 1947, graduated with first-class honours in 1949 and became a lawyer in Singapore in 1951!
 

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In those days, not many were educated to university level for males not to mention females. I still remember my parents telling me that in their time, secondary 4 was considered a major accomplishment.

It's, no wonder that the masses view the pap candidates then with awe as those were educated at overseas Universities.
bro people female girl also first class honours from universities and became a lawyer!
 

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I know of a female resumed her studies at Raffles College in 1946, graduating the following year with a First Class was admitted to Girton College in 1947, graduated with first-class honours in 1949 and became a lawyer in Singapore in 1951!
Yes. How many of such female were there then? Was university education for males common then not to mention females... Maybe can go and ask ur parents /grandparents.
 

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Yes. How many of such female were there then? Was university education for males common then not to mention females... Maybe can go and ask ur parents /grandparents.
That female I mentioned was the late wife of our late founding PM. The earliest known Singaporean to be educated at Cambridge University was Lee Kuan Yew, who matriculated at Fitzwilliam College in January 1947 to study law.
  • After the Japanese invasion interrupted his education, Lee Kuan Yew, the founder of Singapore, decided to pursue his education in the UK.
  • Initial Plans: He initially enrolled at the London School of Economics, but found himself disliking life in the British capital.
  • Cambridge's Appeal: He visited Cambridge in November and was introduced to W. S. Thatcher, Censor of Fitzwilliam House, and was admitted for the following year's Lent term.
  • Matriculation: He matriculated at Fitzwilliam College in January 1947, studying law.

    Bro, he still have the luxury of time and money to choose where in UK to study at London or Cambridge!

    After World War II ended, Lee studied law at Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge, to study law, graduating with a double first degree in 1947. Lee was elected to an Honorary Fellowship of Fitzwilliam in 1969, and for many years was the most senior of the College's Honorary.
 

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In those days, not many were educated to university level for males not to mention females. I still remember my parents telling me that in their time, secondary 4 was considered a major accomplishment.
No excuses for our parents, not even for our grandparents you see Mr Lee Kuan Yew topped an island-wide exam at Telok Kurau English School. In 1940, when he was at Raffles Institution, he came in first in Singapore and Malaya.
 

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No excuses for our parents, not even for our grandparents you see Mr Lee Kuan Yew topped an island-wide exam at Telok Kurau English School. In 1940, when he was at Raffles Institution, he came in first in Singapore and Malaya.
Yes he was brilliant but u still have to admit that the university graduates of that time were few and far for males, not to mention females. That's the point I am trying to get through to u.

Women were not given as much opportunities to excel then as now and I really do see that the liberation of women in sg though good in certain sense have contributed to the decline of the TFR as shown in the chart given by my earlier link.

The chart do shows a direct correlation between TFR and the emancipation of women in sg.
 
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That female I mentioned was the late wife of our late founding PM. The earliest known Singaporean to be educated at Cambridge University was Lee Kuan Yew, who matriculated at Fitzwilliam College in January 1947 to study law.
  • After the Japanese invasion interrupted his education, Lee Kuan Yew, the founder of Singapore, decided to pursue his education in the UK.
  • Initial Plans: He initially enrolled at the London School of Economics, but found himself disliking life in the British capital.
  • Cambridge's Appeal: He visited Cambridge in November and was introduced to W. S. Thatcher, Censor of Fitzwilliam House, and was admitted for the following year's Lent term.
  • Matriculation: He matriculated at Fitzwilliam College in January 1947, studying law.

    Bro, he still have the luxury of time and money to choose where in UK to study at London or Cambridge!

    After World War II ended, Lee studied law at Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge, to study law, graduating with a double first degree in 1947. Lee was elected to an Honorary Fellowship of Fitzwilliam in 1969, and for many years was the most senior of the College's Honorary.
See my reply below. U do not use the achievements of 1 woman and said that the women of that time were given as much opportunities to excel then and now.

That's not the way to put ur point across in a debate about this issue.

Yes he was brilliant but u still have to admit that the university graduates of that time were few and far for males, not to mention females. That's the point I am trying to get through to u.

Women were not given as much opportunities to excel then as now and I really do see that the liberation of women in sg though good in certain sense have contributed to the decline of the TFR as shown in the chart given by my earlier link.

The chart do shows a direct correlation between TFR and the enampication of women in sg.
 

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Yes he was brilliant but u still have to admit that the university graduates of that time were few and far for males, not to mention females. That's the point I am trying to get through to u.

Women were not given as much opportunities to excel then as now and I really do see that the liberation of women in sg though good in certain sense have contributed to the decline of the TFR as shown in the chart given by my earlier link.

The chart do shows a direct correlation between TFR and the emancipation of women in sg.
okay I understand but does Lee studies alone? His cohort surely have 20 to 30 other students that graduated with him?
See my reply below. U do not use the achievements of 1 woman and said that the women of that time were given as much opportunities to excel then and now.

That's not the way to put ur point across in a debate about this issue.
okay please don’t be upset, I can’t sleep had to reply you short answers, initially I thought suppressed means no female can study into university back in those days
 

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okay I understand but does Lee studies alone? His cohort surely have 20 to 30 other students that graduated with him?
Again, we are talking about lky's cohort vs the whole population of Singapore then. Uni grads then were still uncommon....
 

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Again, we are talking about lky's cohort vs the whole population of Singapore then. Uni grads then were still uncommon....
okay, I think back then early 1950s Cambridge university graduate 🎓 has good excellent job offers even before they graduate 👨🏻‍🎓 and the pay is quite good $500 to $800 per month in 1951!
 

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okay, I think back then early 1950s Cambridge university graduate 🎓 has good excellent job offers even before they graduate 👨🏻‍🎓 and the pay is quite good $500 to $800 per month in 1951!
Yes. That is true but our agreement is on whether university graduates for women were common then as compared to now and that is still a no. University grads for males then were still rare as well.
 

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Yes. That is true but our agreement is on whether university graduates for women were common then as compared to now and that is still a no. University grads for males then were still rare as well.
Okay I agree with you is rare but is not impossible to attain for Singapore Citizen
 

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Bro, stop detailing the thread lah. We were talking about how the emancipation of women in sg lead to a fall in TFR. I have shown u proof that this is the case via the link and it have to do with the women's charter and the increased opportunities given to women in the workforce and increase in education of women. That's it. So pls kindly stop trying to derail the thread by talking about something else.
to improve our TFR, what measures will be effective? more support for families?
 
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