Possible to get into OCS through BMT recourse?

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Hi guys,

I enlisted a year ago with a temporary pes E status due to medical condition. All along, I have a desire to take the SAF as a career but this dream was dashed when I was given a pes E status.

Right now, I am already a year into service and my medical condition improved, hence there is a chance that MO can up pes me to pes B1 L1. I understands that it is impossible to go OCS anymore because I am already a year into service. But if I indicate interest to sign on, will I be able to go for OCS (provided that I did well in BMT recourse)? I've heard things like people who recourse cannot go into command school. But do you all encounter people who successfully got into OCS during bmt recourse?

Really want to know if it is possible or not because I've been wanting to sign on as an officer. I'm a diploma grad and have a placing in local uni reading business.
Appreciates any help given!
 

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its still possible for you to go into OCS as a recoursee, but there is a minimum term of 6 months for you to serve after you comission, but since you are interested to sign on. i think it shouldnt be a problem
 

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as nsf if u really want to be an officer, and being already in 1year in service, you have to extend ur service as NSF, or else no go for you to enter OCS

if u want to sign on, i think u have to go recruitment center and ask in the middle sign on case.. cos i think u have to complete nsf 1st
 

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Woah have to complete NSF first?! I hope not man! Cos if I'm able to go tekkong for pes B bmt recourse, can't I just sign on from there? I mean, indicate interest through their recruitment talks and hopefully do well enough to get selected for OCS.
 

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Yes. I heard of a guy who same as you. he extended so he can complete OCS. Then as officer if u sign on get 10k!
 

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Well, now the problem is this. I'm currently 1 year in service. If I were to request up pes, need go through MO and medical board. Which will take 1 to 2 months. When medical board cleared me, I'll wait for FFI which will take some time. after FFI, they will then allocate me to the next bmt date. All these gonna take quite a few months before I go tekkong. By then, I'm only left with a few more months before ORD.

So if I express interest to sign on, it'll still be possible for OCS right?
 

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This kind of question, ask S1/Chief Clerk in your unit. If your CO friendly, can also ask him. a fat ASA guy i know who can't pass IPPT managed to sign on 1 yr as reg because CO helped.

SAF is short of officers who sign on, so there is no reason why they wouldnt want to help u

They can send email to someone they know who can help. But going OCS after BMT is not guaranteed
 
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Hi guys,

I enlisted a year ago with a temporary pes E status due to medical condition. All along, I have a desire to take the SAF as a career but this dream was dashed when I was given a pes E status.

Right now, I am already a year into service and my medical condition improved, hence there is a chance that MO can up pes me to pes B1 L1. I understands that it is impossible to go OCS anymore because I am already a year into service. But if I indicate interest to sign on, will I be able to go for OCS (provided that I did well in BMT recourse)? I've heard things like people who recourse cannot go into command school. But do you all encounter people who successfully got into OCS during bmt recourse?

Really want to know if it is possible or not because I've been wanting to sign on as an officer. I'm a diploma grad and have a placing in local uni reading business.
Appreciates any help given!

Yes you can, most important is you are healthy and fit. I was OOC when i was in OCS. But i recoursed and commissioned Last year. I extended my ORD by 1 mth plus to hit the minimum 6 mths tour.
 

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Yes you can, most important is you are healthy and fit. I was OOC when i was in OCS. But i recoursed and commissioned Last year. I extended my ORD by 1 mth plus to hit the minimum 6 mths tour.

I think TS need to extend for more than 6 months man
 

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since TS want to sign on as officer, i suggest you called the army recruitment center asap and clarify your questions with them.
 

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since TS want to sign on as officer, i suggest you called the army recruitment center asap and clarify your questions with them.

Dont really have to rush becos the ARC officer will brain wash recruits in bmt and cadets in OCS at least 3 times if i recall :s13:
 

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Yes, definitely I'll need to extend for more than 6 months. But thats not a concern because I want to sign on if I up pes and go for BMT recourse.

dont worry man. The difficult part is not getting OCS. The hard part is to go thru the 9 mths. physically or mentally have to depend which vocation you go thru. If you fit the criteria i see why u cant get into OCS.

medically fit
phyiscally fit (Im always silver)
good peer appraisal
good commander appraisal
above average in SIT Test score
able to communicate in front of large group

den you next posting will put

Posted to OCS(Army) liao
They will attach a invitation to safti MI but actually thats invitation to hell :s13:

Everytime when i wanna give up, i will ask myself why am i doing this.

The answer kept me going for 9 mths :)

Even after u commission, you have to find the fire to keep going on for rest of your career. Many things, people and politics will affect your drive now and then.

I was a combat PC but now i'm a admin boy, so im free to answer your question. Feel free to pm me :)
 

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Yo guys just wanna share some informative advice based on my experience hopefully can inspire some of you peeps out there. Also cause I'm quite free now lol.
PES c driver > OCS.

I was originally PES c2l2 due to torn ACL,MCL and meniscus from a rugby injury thus enlisted into PES c Bmt. I also wanted to up PES but could only do so 1 year after my operation which by then would be halfway into Bmt so I only saw the tekong mo halfway through Bmt to up PES. I brought along a specialist memo stating that I have 'recovered' mostly from my injuries(I still have problems with my knee) . A few weeks later,I saw a panel of SAF doctors at the NUS facilities where they evaluated me before giving me the PES status of B1L1. I basically told them I wanted to up PES cause I was bored lol but don't follow me.i then completed PES C BMT with a PES status of B1L1. Just wanna say that during my time it is incredibly hard to up PES due to the fact that the system makes it hard and tedious. When you wanna up PES you are put into the category of PES review and there are literally thousands of people in this queue who wants to downpes for all sorts of reasons and you have to queue with them. Usually by the time you up PES your NSF time will be finished. Unless your clerk is good you are usually screwed. Ironic that the hardest part is not the rebmt or OCS journey but just getting a slot into rebmt itself. Luckily for me I have a friend who works in this medical review process so he used my case study to propose a change to this procedure where up PES cases would be pushed to the front of the queue from now on thus significantly decreasing waiting time. Not sure whether it got approved but hopefully future batches will benefit. By the way If you are wondering I also didn't sign some waiver/indeminity form stating that any injuries from then on would not be covered or responsibly by SAF.

I was a driver then so I was sent to driver school for a few months after where I achieved my army driving license. I was then selected to be a 'pes C driver Sergeant' or transport supervisor in my unit. However, I OOC from this sergeant course due to the fact that I have up PES and thus need to rebmt. My initial rebmt date was in August 2015 however, they apparently 'forgot' about it and thus it was delayed. By the way I enlisted in April 2015 so it has already been approximately 4 months. So I was told that the next rebmt date would be 5th January 2016 enhanced leadership batch. at this point of time I had already completed ippt and gotten gold so that helped to push me into enhanced leadership bmt batch which is the batch you want if you wanna go into OCS/SCS as highest chance. Just saying that you also can't be passive and wait for rebmt, as most of the time it will never come as the clerks will always forget to put you inside. You have to actively ask and push just to rebmt(ironic isn't it cause most of my friends who had to rebmt wanted to siam). By the time 2nd Jan 2016 came I asked my superiors again whether I was in the 5th Jan rebmt slot, they said sorry apparently something cocked up and you have to wait till April 2016 rebmt batch. At this point of time I was quite pissed off as if I had gotten the August rebmt in the first place, I won't need to extend my NS journey to fulfil minimum 6months of serving after commissionning. Rebmt at 5th January means extending by 2 months and if I rebmt in April 2016, it means extending by 5 months and thus missing university the following year. I thus skipped the chain of command (highly not recommended unless your superiors really don't know what to do I got screwed for it) to ask them about this rebmt problem. Luckily the LTC of logistics helped me to sort out this problem immediately and literally placed me in the 5th January rebmt batch the next day. Lol it only took 1 day for an LTC to do this sigh and 8 months for a clerk zzz. So thank God that I managed to rebmt with 2 days notice in advance. From there on it's the standard story where you do your best in Bmt , get top 10% and then selected to go to OCS. Just indicate you wanna go OCS and do well in SIT test, and don't OOC in OCS keep yourself healthy and injury free. If anyone is wondering, yes my knee still gives me problems which is why I'm not in infantry sadly. I probably won't check the forum or post anymore stuff so good luck to all.

Experience by a random 2lt scrub who just commissioned 616 days into enlisting.
 

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Yo guys just wanna share some informative advice based on my experience hopefully can inspire some of you peeps out there. Also cause I'm quite free now lol.
PES c driver > OCS.

I was originally PES c2l2 due to torn ACL,MCL and meniscus from a rugby injury thus enlisted into PES c Bmt. I also wanted to up PES but could only do so 1 year after my operation which by then would be halfway into Bmt so I only saw the tekong mo halfway through Bmt to up PES. I brought along a specialist memo stating that I have 'recovered' mostly from my injuries(I still have problems with my knee) . A few weeks later,I saw a panel of SAF doctors at the NUS facilities where they evaluated me before giving me the PES status of B1L1. I basically told them I wanted to up PES cause I was bored lol but don't follow me.i then completed PES C BMT with a PES status of B1L1. Just wanna say that during my time it is incredibly hard to up PES due to the fact that the system makes it hard and tedious. When you wanna up PES you are put into the category of PES review and there are literally thousands of people in this queue who wants to downpes for all sorts of reasons and you have to queue with them. Usually by the time you up PES your NSF time will be finished. Unless your clerk is good you are usually screwed. Ironic that the hardest part is not the rebmt or OCS journey but just getting a slot into rebmt itself. Luckily for me I have a friend who works in this medical review process so he used my case study to propose a change to this procedure where up PES cases would be pushed to the front of the queue from now on thus significantly decreasing waiting time. Not sure whether it got approved but hopefully future batches will benefit. By the way If you are wondering I also didn't sign some waiver/indeminity form stating that any injuries from then on would not be covered or responsibly by SAF.

I was a driver then so I was sent to driver school for a few months after where I achieved my army driving license. I was then selected to be a 'pes C driver Sergeant' or transport supervisor in my unit. However, I OOC from this sergeant course due to the fact that I have up PES and thus need to rebmt. My initial rebmt date was in August 2015 however, they apparently 'forgot' about it and thus it was delayed. By the way I enlisted in April 2015 so it has already been approximately 4 months. So I was told that the next rebmt date would be 5th January 2016 enhanced leadership batch. at this point of time I had already completed ippt and gotten gold so that helped to push me into enhanced leadership bmt batch which is the batch you want if you wanna go into OCS/SCS as highest chance. Just saying that you also can't be passive and wait for rebmt, as most of the time it will never come as the clerks will always forget to put you inside. You have to actively ask and push just to rebmt(ironic isn't it cause most of my friends who had to rebmt wanted to siam). By the time 2nd Jan 2016 came I asked my superiors again whether I was in the 5th Jan rebmt slot, they said sorry apparently something cocked up and you have to wait till April 2016 rebmt batch. At this point of time I was quite pissed off as if I had gotten the August rebmt in the first place, I won't need to extend my NS journey to fulfil minimum 6months of serving after commissionning. Rebmt at 5th January means extending by 2 months and if I rebmt in April 2016, it means extending by 5 months and thus missing university the following year. I thus skipped the chain of command (highly not recommended unless your superiors really don't know what to do I got screwed for it) to ask them about this rebmt problem. Luckily the LTC of logistics helped me to sort out this problem immediately and literally placed me in the 5th January rebmt batch the next day. Lol it only took 1 day for an LTC to do this sigh and 8 months for a clerk zzz. So thank God that I managed to rebmt with 2 days notice in advance. From there on it's the standard story where you do your best in Bmt , get top 10% and then selected to go to OCS. Just indicate you wanna go OCS and do well in SIT test, and don't OOC in OCS keep yourself healthy and injury free. If anyone is wondering, yes my knee still gives me problems which is why I'm not in infantry sadly. I probably won't check the forum or post anymore stuff so good luck to all.

Experience by a random 2lt scrub who just commissioned 616 days into enlisting.

which is the batch you want if you wanna go into OCS/SCS as highest chance
don't fully agree with this statement. It's more like being in a leadership batch gives you the opportunity to go through SIT test hence you got chance to go command school. The converse is not being in leadership batch. Hence, it's not really about "highest chance", but more about satisfying the criteria. Enhanced or PTP doesn't really matter.

How you know about the "top 10%" statistic?

So in the end you extend 2 months?
 

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don't fully agree with this statement. It's more like being in a leadership batch gives you the opportunity to go through SIT test hence you got chance to go command school. The converse is not being in leadership batch. Hence, it's not really about "highest chance", but more about satisfying the criteria. Enhanced or PTP doesn't really matter.

How you know about the "top 10%" statistic?

So in the end you extend 2 months?

Yup when I say highest chance I simply mean by numbers alone they choose the most to go to SCS/OCS from that enhanced leadership batch. You can still go despite not being in that batch. You still need to fulfil the minimum educational requirement of A level/poly. But this post is meant to address the up PES/recourse side of the house not the educational background or which Bmt batch/type can go command sch. I feel that to go to command sch requires educational background, the correct PES status/fitness level and being in the right place at the right time.

The 'top 10%' is just a general phrase so don't follow it to the exact wording. Who knows how many they pick each batch.

Yes I extended two months.

Don't follow my phrasing to the exact wording or hold it as gospel as by character I'm very sarcastic as you can probably tell. This is just experience sharing.
 

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I know of my platoon mates who got in ocs and were recoursee. During your BMT, there will be recruitment talks however if I remember correctly, Officer contracts are only given when you enter OCS. So there will be another recruitment talk for Officer contract then!
 

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YES possible. I know a lot of people who went to OCS through recourse route. Even know a storeman recourse BMT to go OCS after 1 year in service.

But you have to extend. min 9 months as an officer IIRC?
 

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YES possible. I know a lot of people who went to OCS through recourse route. Even know a storeman recourse BMT to go OCS after 1 year in service.

But you have to extend. min 9 months as an officer IIRC?

Oh u mean 3 mths BMT + another 3 mths BMT + 9 mths OCS = 15 mths! So total 15 mths of 22 or 24 mths tough trg juz to be an OFFICER? For what sia?? 😱😱😱
 
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