Proposal Ring - Part 2

[jhchoo85]

Has anyone considered the Brilliant rose? It’s 66 facets and sparkles more compared to the normal 57 facets round. Is it worth the higher cost?

The Brilliant Rose is a modified round cut from Soo Kee. It is also known as the Leo diamond in US where they are retailed much cheaper.
To me, the selling point of a higher faceted diamond is to achieve higher scintillation. But most shops doesn't provide the light return scopes to look at a diamond properly.
For all your know, you can end up getting a bad high facet diamond which is worse than a 57 facet.

 

[Dicer181]

The Brilliant Rose is a modified round cut from Soo Kee. It is also known as the Leo diamond in US where they are retailed much cheaper.
To me, the selling point of a higher faceted diamond is to achieve higher scintillation. But most shops doesn't provide the light return scopes to look at a diamond properly.
For all your know, you can end up getting a bad high facet diamond which is worse than a 57 facet.

Didn’t know that.. will search it on the internet. I saw the Brilliant rose in the shop at it looked very nice to me. It sparkled a lot better than the 57 facets round when it was placed next to each other. Was so tempted to get it there and then.

I read about other high facet diamonds like the Solasfera and Destine Royal. I assume those are the same diamond too but different names? One from JP and the other from Lee Hwa. They both have 10 hearts and arrows.

 

[phoenixrule]

Diamonds expert, how is this 2 diamonds?

 

[jhchoo85]

Diamonds expert, how is this 2 diamonds?

The 2 diamonds almost looks identical.. If it wasn't for the different GIA number and clarity characteristics, I would have thought its the same.

Are you getting these 2 for earrings? lol
Both these diamonds are really old... certified in 2005. Are they second hand?
They are both 0.40, which you want to avoid these round carat sizes..
Both don't have Cut grades.. probably cos the cert is too old..

 

[phoenixrule]

The 2 diamonds almost looks identical.. If it wasn't for the different GIA number and clarity characteristics, I would have thought its the same.

Are you getting these 2 for earrings? lol
Both these diamonds are really old... certified in 2005. Are they second hand?
They are both 0.40, which you want to avoid these round carat sizes..
Both don't have Cut grades.. probably cos the cert is too old..

wow really pro!
got these from a friend selling away her ear rings at a low price
so is it good?

 

[Des126]

if you are getting a high clarity diamond like flawless, vvs1 or vvs2, i think that is fine. but moi budget only can get vs1 or vs2, so i like to know where the impurities are. if the impurities can be photoshopped away, so can the nice arrows and hearts.

the inclusion i saw in the diamond is right under one of the arrow when i look at it through the hearts and arrows viewer, n when they sent me the photo, wham its gone.

editing the photos, removing the undesirable to create beauty and attraction, that to me is just not right.

Regarding the image of H&A, i also noticed that JP's H&A image looks most perfect compared to the other top 2 US online jewellers like Brian Gavin & Whiteflash. I never thought the pattern of H&A can be photoshopped as well.

 

[Des126]

wow really pro!
got these from a friend selling away her ear rings at a low price
so is it good?

GIA report before 2006 does not provide Cut grade.

 

[Des126]

wow really pro!
got these from a friend selling away her ear rings at a low price
so is it good?

We can't really analyse just based on the report to predict if both stones are nice. Furthermore, the report does not provide Cut grade, star % & lower girdle % like what we can see from a 2006 and above GIA report.

Are you particular about clarity? Unlike engagement ring, i do not think you need to go for VVS2 for a pair of earring. I personally feel that VS2 is more than enough for earring.

As for the carat weight of 0.4, the price would be much lower if you are able to get 0.38/0.39 as i doubt you are able to see any difference in size when put them side by side for comparision. The price per carat for 0.4 is higher than 0.3 - 0.39.

Nevertheless, if the price is really low and you like it, it's worth considering.

 

[xtwis7]

How much would a cushion brellia about .6 carats with g color and maybe vs1/2 run at JP? Since most of the diamonds here are the brilliant cut, want to know what's a ballpark.

 

[Des126]

if you are getting a high clarity diamond like flawless, vvs1 or vvs2, i think that is fine. but moi budget only can get vs1 or vs2, so i like to know where the impurities are. if the impurities can be photoshopped away, so can the nice arrows and hearts.

the inclusion i saw in the diamond is right under one of the arrow when i look at it through the hearts and arrows viewer, n when they sent me the photo, wham its gone.

editing the photos, removing the undesirable to create beauty and attraction, that to me is just not right.

I have just found this from Brian Gavin website:

Beware of Phony Hearts and Arrows Diamond ImagesBrian Gavin Diamonds

 

[Des126]

I have just found this from Brian Gavin website:

Beware of Phony Hearts and Arrows Diamond ImagesBrian Gavin Diamonds

Further discussion on photoshop diamond image from Pricescope....


Photoshopp-ed Diamond Images? : RockyTalky • Diamond Jewelry Forum - Compare Diamond Prices, Discussions & Diamond Information

 

[hollander]

We can't really analyse just based on the report to predict if both stones are nice. Furthermore, the report does not provide Cut grade, star % & lower girdle % like what we can see from a 2006 and above GIA report.

Are you particular about clarity? Unlike engagement ring, i do not think you need to go for VVS2 for a pair of earring. I personally feel that VS2 is more than enough for earring.

As for the carat weight of 0.4, the price would be much lower if you are able to get 0.38/0.39 as i doubt you are able to see any difference in size when put them side by side for comparision. The price per carat for 0.4 is higher than 0.3 - 0.39.

Nevertheless, if the price is really low and you like it, it's worth considering.

Trying to get the experts advise,

A report of this old (6yrs) is understandable or cosinderable if it is a used stone?

How about a report that is 2-3 years old or more, never been used, report is valid as per verfication with AGS, this should not cause any alarm?

Because I am thinking, if the stone is that OLD and NEVER been used, it means it was not chosen by anyone due to some faults or etc? Unless ofcourse if it came from a collection of someone who's into diamond investment or some sort.

 

[Des126]

Trying to get the experts advise,

A report of this old (6yrs) is understandable or cosinderable if it is a used stone?

How about a report that is 2-3 years old or more, never been used, report is valid as per verfication with AGS, this should not cause any alarm?

Because I am thinking, if the stone is that OLD and NEVER been used, it means it was not chosen by anyone due to some faults or etc? Unless ofcourse if it came from a collection of someone who's into diamond investment or some sort.

Discussion on Old GIA Report....


Reasonable age of GIA Cert Date : RockyTalky • Diamond Jewelry Forum - Compare Diamond Prices, Discussions & Diamond Information

 

[jhchoo85]

Didn’t know that.. will search it on the internet. I saw the Brilliant rose in the shop at it looked very nice to me. It sparkled a lot better than the 57 facets round when it was placed next to each other. Was so tempted to get it there and then.

I read about other high facet diamonds like the Solasfera and Destine Royal. I assume those are the same diamond too but different names? One from JP and the other from Lee Hwa. They both have 10 hearts and arrows.

Those are 2 different diamonds. The Solasfera is 91 facets. The Destinee Royal is 81 facets.. but they both do have 10 hearts and arrows. I remember someone doing a comparison between all these diamonds before.. you can try digging it up in the back pages.

 

[hollander]

Discussion on Old GIA Report....


Reasonable age of GIA Cert Date : RockyTalky • Diamond Jewelry Forum - Compare Diamond Prices, Discussions & Diamond Information

Thanks Des126.

In this case and base from the comments, it seems like it will be very hard not unless, 1st you want to spend for re-certification and the 2nd one, trust the seller that it is not used....

Either ways, we want the best for our penny's worth ;-)

 

[KingKhan]

How much would a cushion brellia about .6 carats with g color and maybe vs1/2 run at JP? Since most of the diamonds here are the brilliant cut, want to know what's a ballpark.

It should be around $4k for the diamond.. The cushion brellia seems to getting very popular

 

[xtwis7]

It should be around $4k for the diamond.. The cushion brellia seems to getting very popular

Thanks KK, Haha, that is because my gf last time say she likes princess cut so I reckon cushion brellia is the way to go. BUT, then she say must have many bling bling side diamonds.

Well, I don't see myself walking into JP so soon yet. Probably another 1/2 years ba. And I intend to involve her in the process as well since she's going to be the one wearing it so best if she can see what she likes. Maybe she sees the solasfera and her preference might switch.

 

[Cotton1]

Further discussion on photoshop diamond image from Pricescope....


Photoshopp-ed Diamond Images? : RockyTalky • Diamond Jewelry Forum - Compare Diamond Prices, Discussions & Diamond Information

JP’s pictures are increased in saturation which does not affect anything. Like what price scope mentioned as well, saturation will still show the light leakages or in-symmetry in the diamond. A higher saturation would not miraculously hide the flaws in a diamond.

Regardless of the saturation, a light leakage is a light leakage and it will still show on pictures.

Unsymmetrical Hearts would also still show on the pictures. It will still reveal the different shaped hearts.

All these pictures were taken off their FB of how a typical triple excellent is like
Typical Triple Excellent Diamond | Facebook

 

[hnrch42]

Thanks KK, Haha, that is because my gf last time say she likes princess cut so I reckon cushion brellia is the way to go. BUT, then she say must have many bling bling side diamonds.

Well, I don't see myself walking into JP so soon yet. Probably another 1/2 years ba. And I intend to involve her in the process as well since she's going to be the one wearing it so best if she can see what she likes. Maybe she sees the solasfera and her preference might switch.

Try show her this video first see she got response or not... she interested then bring her down choose together and customize

Confidently bought the Brellia and my SO love it!

 

[[GorgeouS]]

Those are 2 different diamonds. The Solasfera is 91 facets. The Destinee Royal is 81 facets.. but they both do have 10 hearts and arrows. I remember someone doing a comparison between all these diamonds before.. you can try digging it up in the back pages.

Here it is....

From my understanding, the polish/symmetry for the brilliant rose usually very good/very good or good/good.. its seldom excellent/excellent.

To sum things up, the
brilliant rose - 66 facets, no hearts and arrows
destinee royale - 81 facets, 10 hearts and arrows
solasfera - 91 facets, 10 hearts and arrows

It's a pity that the brilliant rose and destinee royale don't have the Ideal and ASET scope to compare the light performance... cos sometimes the shops put the diamond under the strong spotlight, which can be quite biased..

Found the gemex report of the brilliant rose aka leo diamond

Leo Schachter Diamonds – 4 generations of master diamond artisans handcraft the world’s most brilliant diamond.

compared with the solasfera
which scores the highest for all three points

You can see the performance of the solasfera compared to other diamonds here.. but one thing about hearts and arrows diamonds is you can see the arrows burning in the diamond.. for the modified rounds with no hearts and arrows, i find their sparkles to be smaller and abit messier..

Don't forget, when a diamond hits 0.7ct, it take a price premium too...

----Add on-----
Interesting review of the Leo Cut

Review of a Leo Cut : FAQ • Diamond Jewelry Forum - Compare Diamond Prices, Discussions & Diamond Information

The brilliant rose / leo diamond ideal scope

The solasfera ideal scope