Proposal Ring - Part 2

[ange1yn]

Hi all, I'm looking to get a diamond ring.. colour wise: D/E; clarity: VVS1/2; cut: super ideal / triple excellent. Looking at either cushion brellia or round shape..

Undecided on carat size, but budget is around $7k-10k.. judging from experience, can anybody roughly gauge the size of diamond to fit my budget? Haha

I visited JP last Sunday. I vaguely remember the following

Super ideal 0.72 F VS1 or VS2 for $7,200
Super ideal 0.76 F VS2 for $7,600
Solasfera 0.76 F VS1 for $9,600

I wanted to take a picture of the scribbled prices on the notepad but Sam said he'll email us. He didn't email us the prices in the end only because I think he thought we wanted blue flor diamond not keen in the ones he recommended.

 

[pills]

Haha.. yes. Wear the diamond out. It's to enjoy and to look at. Not to be locked away.

 

[fabiaN__]

I visited JP last Sunday. I vaguely remember the following

Super ideal 0.72 F VS1 or VS2 for $7,200
Super ideal 0.76 F VS2 for $7,600
Solasfera 0.76 F VS1 for $9,600

I wanted to take a picture of the scribbled prices on the notepad but Sam said he'll email us. He didn't email us the prices in the end only because I think he thought we wanted blue flor diamond not keen in the ones he recommended.

Hi ange1yn.. thanks for the reply! Any idea if there is a big difference between VS1/2 and VVS1/2 (on scope images)?

 

[hollander]

Hi ange1yn.. thanks for the reply! Any idea if there is a big difference between VS1/2 and VVS1/2 (on scope images)?

On scope images, you will have a hard time looking for VS2 or VS1 inclusions and specially in VVS1 and VVS2.

Using a loupe or 10x magnification, it will be very hard as well to locate VS2 or VS1 inclusions.

Here is a good explanation on the difference between VS1 and VS2.

VS1 versus VS2 diamonds

 

[zeally]

Hi all, I'm looking to get a diamond ring.. colour wise: D/E; clarity: VVS1/2; cut: super ideal / triple excellent. Looking at either cushion brellia or round shape..

Undecided on carat size, but budget is around $7k-10k.. judging from experience, can anybody roughly gauge the size of diamond to fit my budget? Haha

Locally, shops like JP could most likely give you a free estimate. Just send them an email. Otherwise, go the whiteflash website to get an estimate. But for bushion brellia, i think locally only JP carries it.

 

[zeally]

I received the hearts and arrows pictures but they are very small, very badly taken (diamond not with JP) and I can't post pictures as I don't have enough posts

have to pay $1k deposit to bring in diamond and if I don't like it after viewing, can return it and pay only $300 for shipping. I'm pretty positive that I will like the diamond as it's confirmed that it's not milky or oily looking. When I was in JP, I can barely tell the difference between a ideal and super ideal diamond and solasfera. I have to scrutinize very very very long and carefully then can tell the difference. BUT i can tell if a diamond color is yellow immediately Saw a K color diamond and it's sooo yellow. can pay off as fancy yellow color diamond.

Hi, do you sharing us the name of the shop where you got your diamond? It would be advertisement for the shop too, if you think they deserve it. Otherwise, for the benefits of the members of this forums, it is good to hear reviews from other stores as well. Too much of JP in here...

Of course, you must also be very careful to find a trustable shop. If you browse through all the pages in this thread as well as its predecessor, you can see some shop names which have quite a bad reputation.

 

[zeally]

Hi ange1yn.. thanks for the reply! Any idea if there is a big difference between VS1/2 and VVS1/2 (on scope images)?

if your scope images is referring to H&A/ideal scope/ Aset, then clarity doesn't matter, as these scope are not meant to be used as inspection tools for clarity.

What can be certain, is that VS2 and higher clarity is almost certainly eye clean diamonds, which mean that you cannot see the blemishes with the naked eye at all. (6-9 inches away) The only exception is if you are getting a huge diamond, then you may need higher clarity.

 

[ange1yn]

Hi, do you sharing us the name of the shop where you got your diamond? It would be advertisement for the shop too, if you think they deserve it. Otherwise, for the benefits of the members of this forums, it is good to hear reviews from other stores as well. Too much of JP in here...

Of course, you must also be very careful to find a trustable shop. If you browse through all the pages in this thread as well as its predecessor, you can see some shop names which have quite a bad reputation.

I bought the blue flor diamond from JP. I meant to say that the diamond is on the way to JP so proper scope pixs can't be taken yet. Sorry for not being clear

 

[hollander]

I bought the blue flor diamond from JP. I meant to say that the diamond is on the way to JP so proper scope pixs can't be taken yet. Sorry for not being clear

Here's what Bro Zeally is looking:


Ange1yn found the Diamond Thru BlueNile.
JP Sourced-Out the Diamond From BlueNile.
JP "Sells" (not sure of the term) it to Ange1yn ;-)

 

[EricMagnusLensherr]

Here's what Bro Zeally is looking:


Ange1yn found the Diamond Thru BlueNile.
JP Sourced-Out the Diamond From BlueNile.
JP "Sells" (not sure of the term) it to Ange1yn ;-)

Bluenile is a Dropshipper and does not own any diamonds other then their signature line. They subscribe to a list provided by diamond cutters and diamond cutting houses which they publish. Which is why they cannot provide scope images etc other then what the cutting house provides. When you order from them, they just get the cutter to send it directly to the customer, and blue Nile normally doesn't even see the diamond.

Most diamond shops usually have access to similar lists and have access to the same stones. JP probably checked the their list and found the stone, so yep, the stone is sold via JP and bluenile is not involved in the transaction at all in this case.

 

[zeally]

Here's what Bro Zeally is looking:


Ange1yn found the Diamond Thru BlueNile.
JP Sourced-Out the Diamond From BlueNile.
JP "Sells" (not sure of the term) it to Ange1yn ;-)

Yes. That is pretty clear now!

 

[zeally]

Bluenile is a Dropshipper and does not own any diamonds other then their signature line. They subscribe to a list provided by diamond cutters and diamond cutting houses which they publish. Which is why they cannot provide scope images etc other then what the cutting house provides. When you order from them, they just get the cutter to send it directly to the customer, and blue Nile normally doesn't even see the diamond.

Most diamond shops usually have access to similar lists and have access to the same stones. JP probably checked the their list and found the stone, so yep, the stone is sold via JP and bluenile is not involved in the transaction at all in this case.

Actually, I suspect that even Bluenile's signature is not owned inhouse by them. I have tried getting scope images for their signature collection but failed as well. Although this is purely my speculation, I suspect that their signature collection is just a list of diamonds whose specs + proportions have been filtered out based what bluenile thinks a good diamond should have.

 

[Grizz.P]

Actually, I suspect that even Bluenile's signature is not owned inhouse by them. I have tried getting scope images for their signature collection but failed as well. Although this is purely my speculation, I suspect that their signature collection is just a list of diamonds whose specs + proportions have been filtered out based what bluenile thinks a good diamond should have.

It should be owned by them since they give their own "GCAL" cert to certify it themselves as "Ideal". They only filter by proportions and not by light performance or symmetry. I suspect most of them would fail under the scope and that's why they don't know to reveal.

 

[EricMagnusLensherr]

It should be owned by them since they give their own "GCAL" cert to certify it themselves as "Ideal". They only filter by proportions and not by light performance or symmetry. I suspect most of them would fail under the scope and that's why they don't know to reveal.

Actually GCAL is a pretty decent but small lab and not affiliated with Blue Nile. The GCAL cert does contain a hearts and arrows image, but the the signature line is not marketed as hearts and arrows so their hearts and arrows may or may not be perfect. I believe you are right and the diamonds are only filtered by proportion rather then symmetry or light performance.

Actually, I suspect that even Bluenile's signature is not owned inhouse by them. I have tried getting scope images for their signature collection but failed as well. Although this is purely my speculation, I suspect that their signature collection is just a list of diamonds whose specs + proportions have been filtered out based what bluenile thinks a good diamond should have.

It is also almost definitely owned by them as the signature line is additionally inscribed with the blueNile name and logo so I doubt anyone else would want to sell them. Hahaha. I guess it would be possible to polish off a laser inscription, but I'm not sure what is the cost, implications or possible side effects of such a course of action.

 

[aLpHa-Ev7]

Actually GCAL is a pretty decent but small lab and not affiliated with Blue Nile. The GCAL cert does contain a hearts and arrows image, but the the signature line is not marketed as hearts and arrows so their hearts and arrows may or may not be perfect. I believe you are right and the diamonds are only filtered by proportion rather then symmetry or light performance.




It is also almost definitely owned by them as the signature line is additionally inscribed with the blueNile name and logo so I doubt anyone else would want to sell them. Hahaha. I guess it would be possible to polish off a laser inscription, but I'm not sure what is the cost, implications or possible side effects of such a course of action.

I'm actually quite surprised that no one mentioned of their experience with BlueNile's Signature line. Surely someone has purchased one before? Perhaps not on this forum

 

[ninkampoop]

hi all...

i was just browsing the whiteflash site.. the diamonds are significantly cheaper... anyone bought from there before?

 

[EricMagnusLensherr]

I'm actually quite surprised that no one mentioned of their experience with BlueNile's Signature line. Surely someone has purchased one before? Perhaps not on this forum

Sorry, not me. Given the price difference between their signature line and jp, I would think it would be better to get a stone locally from jp for all the extra value added service especially with regards to the setting. Maybe some one else here has some experience. All I know is hat they offer ring resizing if you get the setting from them, but if you tell them you are in Singapore and don't want to pay the shipping, they might offer you store credit instead... About $100 I think...

hi all...

i was just browsing the whiteflash site.. the diamonds are significantly cheaper... anyone bought from there before?

While I don't have experience purchasing from whiteflash locally (I have a sis in the U.S. Whom I generally ship stuff to to avoid gst), the whiteflash ACA line is very well regarded and is their equivalent of a super ideal. Once again, the cost savings comes at the cost of not being able to view the diamond before purchasing, and depends on your comfort level. The whiteflash site however has details such as ASET and idealscope images for their ACA and expert selection diamonds which they have in-house. If you decide you want to have the scopeimages for a virtual stone, you have to put a refundable deposit for the price of the stone.

 

[crusainte]

Hi guys! I've been lurking around this thread for sometime and is looking for a diamond proposal ring. Have been to JP for some viewings too... but the specs I'm looking for and the price does not match up. (I'm abit of a max value for the money paid person)

These are my ideal wants:
Carat: 0.65-0.79
Color: G
Clarity: VS2
Cut, Symmetry, Polish: Triple ex..
Budget: 4-4.5k max for the diamond...

The price goes up to about 7k++, I understand that JP diamonds are ideal cuts but given my carat needs can I request for them to source for something with less than ideal cut? Due to this, actually I have been looking at diamonds online. Anyone else brought in from online stores before?

Also, apart from JP, where else do you guys think I should go shop locally for my diamond with the current specs?

 

[xiao_cai7]

Hi guys! I've been lurking around this thread for sometime and is looking for a diamond proposal ring. Have been to JP for some viewings too... but the specs I'm looking for and the price does not match up. (I'm abit of a max value for the money paid person)

These are my ideal wants:
Carat: 0.65-0.79
Color: G
Clarity: VS2
Cut, Symmetry, Polish: Triple ex..
Budget: 4-4.5k max for the diamond...

The price goes up to about 7k++, I understand that JP diamonds are ideal cuts but given my carat needs can I request for them to source for something with less than ideal cut? Due to this, actually I have been looking at diamonds online. Anyone else brought in from online stores before?

Also, apart from JP, where else do you guys think I should go shop locally for my diamond with the current specs?

eClarity Diamond Warehouse - GIA proposal or engagement rings, wedding bands, custom-made jewellery

 

[spLeenfuL]

Hi guys! I've been lurking around this thread for sometime and is looking for a diamond proposal ring. Have been to JP for some viewings too... but the specs I'm looking for and the price does not match up. (I'm abit of a max value for the money paid person)

These are my ideal wants:
Carat: 0.65-0.79
Color: G
Clarity: VS2
Cut, Symmetry, Polish: Triple ex..
Budget: 4-4.5k max for the diamond...

The price goes up to about 7k++, I understand that JP diamonds are ideal cuts but given my carat needs can I request for them to source for something with less than ideal cut? Due to this, actually I have been looking at diamonds online. Anyone else brought in from online stores before?

Also, apart from JP, where else do you guys think I should go shop locally for my diamond with the current specs?

I know diamond price jumps when the carat hits 0.70... You can try getting a 0.65-0.69 one to save money.. 0.70 will be boh hua unless you for got the 0.7x+ range.

Some bros here have asked JP to source for diamonds less than ideal cuts before. Apart from JP, I think the next best alternative is online shops if budget is a constrain.