Proposal Ring - Part 2

[EricMagnusLensherr]

thanks hollander! yah the diamond alone is $2900 so with settings will set me back arnd $3450. u think the price is reasonable?

Solasfera is a branded modified round cut and price controlled by a single supplier. Since its price controlled, if you like the look, get it, since you will not be finding it at much different prices anywhere else(and JP is the only authorized seller in Singapore and Solasfera is pretty strict about this stuff), other wise, you can consider a normal round brilliant.

My best advise would be to get the price of a normal round brilliant with similar or close specs and see if you are willing to pay the price difference for the brand/modified cut/solasfera look.

 

[zeally]

Between GIA and AGS, the AGS one will be better. They are more details in the cut grading of the diamond. But still need to use the scope to confirm.

I like agsl better too. It is harder to get AGS 000 compared to GIA triple ex generally, so I would trust a AGSL cert more than GIA. For Singapore, most shops use GIA and AGSL cert. diamonds are generally over priced. However, if you inspect it thoroughly, there should be no issues on which lab it is certified from. Anyway, the cert is only the first level of filter when it comes to diamond selection.

 

[kendrick272]

Is jannpaul's diamond nice?

 

[hollander]

Solasfera is a branded modified round cut and price controlled by a single supplier. Since its price controlled, if you like the look, get it, since you will not be finding it at much different prices anywhere else(and JP is the only authorized seller in Singapore and Solasfera is pretty strict about this stuff), other wise, you can consider a normal round brilliant.

My best advise would be to get the price of a normal round brilliant with similar or close specs and see if you are willing to pay the price difference for the brand/modified cut/solasfera look.

I Agree to this! Never thought that it would be that pricey coz before as we know, solasfera is 20-30% expensive than the super ideal...... which is wrong.

If you really love solasfera go for it, you'll never go wrong with a Solasfera, but then again if its the super ideal range you'll be able to have a .4x 'ish ct diamond on that price

BTW, they're saying in Solasfera because of the cut/facet the diamond will always have 1 color ahead than the normal. For example, a G VS1 solasfera will look like F VS1 of a Normal.
I wonder how D colored Solasfera will look like

 

[hollander]

Is jannpaul's diamond nice?

What's nice to you might be different to others BUT ideally
A diamond to be nice must meet the 4Cs.

Whatever shop or certs that you are going for as long as 4C is at it's acceptable range, then the diamond will be nice.

 

[crunsik]

anyone heard about the jeweler Canary? Havent seen much discussion about this firm.

 

[collomack]

Hi all, many thanks for the replies once again!

Whilst I've paid the deposit for the previous stone, I knew that wasn't what I really wanted because of the G color - ah yes, the physiological barrier Hence I made a trip down to JP again and was served by Aaron this time. He was a really nice chap and with his help I finally narrowed down to one...

Round Brilliant, 0.61 cts, F, VS2

Measurements 5.45 - 5.48 x 3.36 mm

HCA score: 1.4

GIA
Cut Grade: Excellent
Clarity Characteristics: Feather, Crystal, Cloud Finish
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

Depth 61.5%
Table 57.0%
Crown Angle 34.5°
Crown Height 15.0%
Pavilion Angle 40.8°
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star Length 55%
Lower Half 80%
Medium to slightly thick (faceted) 3.5%

Can I trouble the bros here for an advise again?

Cheers,

A million thanks to all bros for your advise and I do apologize for the late reply..

As one bro pointed out as well I just realized that the magnified image of the stone shows some inclusions between the 6 to 7 o'clock area. Will this be actually visible to the naked eye or even affect the light return?

 

[hollander]

A million thanks to all bros for your advise and I do apologize for the late reply..

As one bro pointed out as well I just realized that the magnified image of the stone shows some inclusions between the 6 to 7 o'clock area. Will this be actually visible to the naked eye or even affect the light return?

Congrats Bro!!!

Actually about the inclusions, yours is VS2 you will have a hard time noticing it by your naked eye. Even at 10X magnification if will be hard. On the "Actual Diamond Image" you will see that it is very clear though there is a "shadow" between 6-7 o'clock, but definitely will not affect the light return, and using the "Diamond Dossier" will not show you the actual location of the inclusions.

 

[zeally]

A million thanks to all bros for your advise and I do apologize for the late reply..

As one bro pointed out as well I just realized that the magnified image of the stone shows some inclusions between the 6 to 7 o'clock area. Will this be actually visible to the naked eye or even affect the light return?

I am 99.9% sure it won't affect anything at all! It is a beautiful stone.

 

[lancelotalbion]

lancelotalbion your image seems to be from an email attachment, we cannot help you repost it.

try to download first then upload to a free site like tinypic, then we can help your from there.

hi hollander, sorry i didnt realize that the pic didnt come out..

the details of the stone:

0.51ct E VVS2

GIA
Cut Grade: Excellent
Clarity Characteristics: Pinpoing, Cloud Finish
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

Depth 61.1%
Table 57.0%
Crown Angle 34.0°
Crown Height 14.5%
Pavilion Angle 40.8°
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star Length 50%
Lower Half 80%
Medium to slightly thick (faceted) 4.0%

the price quoted was around 4.2k...

apparently i dont have sufficient post count to post images.. appreciate any bro's help to post the stone images below..

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i42.tinypic.com/2wlybdi.jpg
i43.tinypic.com/x58l6v.jpg

appreciate your comments!

 

[Lurker_13]

hi hollander, sorry i didnt realize that the pic didnt come out..

the details of the stone:

0.51ct E VVS2

GIA
Cut Grade: Excellent
Clarity Characteristics: Pinpoing, Cloud Finish
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

Depth 61.1%
Table 57.0%
Crown Angle 34.0°
Crown Height 14.5%
Pavilion Angle 40.8°
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star Length 50%
Lower Half 80%
Medium to slightly thick (faceted) 4.0%

the price quoted was around 4.2k...

apparently i dont have sufficient post count to post images.. appreciate any bro's help to post the stone images below..

i43.tinypic.com/2lxjevq.jpg
i39.tinypic.com/2en9iyv.jpg
i40.tinypic.com/rlcqhu.jpg
i42.tinypic.com/2wlybdi.jpg
i43.tinypic.com/x58l6v.jpg

appreciate your comments!

Help you post

 

[Lurker_13]

Both are well known and most sought after certs nowadays. Both have their own criteria for grading the diamond, GIA as "excellent" and AGSL as "ideal".

But for H&A diamond, you will see mostly that AGSL is being used.

My preferrence is AGSL above all

I too am bias, I prefer AGS ones. To me the GIA "excellent" range is too wide and some really do not display a very symmetrical or solid H&A pattern.

 

[Jackjack42]

Proposal ring

Hello bros,

I read through a load of pages and there're a lot of experts here!! Haha

Anyway long story short, just went down to Jann Paul and got the following specs

Carat - 1.02
Color - G
Clarity - VS2
Cut - Super Ideal / Triple Excellent

Quote - $14,500

A few questions that I would like to ask the experts here
1) is the above price a good deal? It exceeded my budget by quite a lot!!!
2) is there any difference if it is an ideal cut vs a super ideal cut? Based on what I was gold by Rei (the folk that served me earlier) the price would be cheaper.

Personal experience with Jann Paul, I don't find the sale person particular knowledgable and she didn't seems comfortable w some of my questions. And I have that feeling she's can't wait to discuss price. Again my personal humble opinion.

Any feedback or recommendation is warmly appreciated!!

Thanks folks!

 

[Jackjack42]

Hello bros,

I read through a load of pages and there're a lot of experts here!! Haha

Anyway long story short, just went down to Jann Paul and got the following specs

Carat - 1.02
Color - G
Clarity - VS2
Cut - Super Ideal / Triple Excellent

Quote - $14,500

A few questions that I would like to ask the experts here
1) is the above price a good deal? It exceeded my budget by quite a lot!!!
2) is there any difference if it is an ideal cut vs a super ideal cut? Based on what I was gold by Rei (the folk that served me earlier) the price would be cheaper.

Personal experience with Jann Paul, I don't find the sale person particular knowledgable and she didn't seems comfortable w some of my questions. And I have that feeling she's can't wait to discuss price. Again my personal humble opinion.

Any feedback or recommendation is warmly appreciated!!

Thanks folks!

 

[zeally]

I too am bias, I prefer AGS ones. To me the GIA "excellent" range is too wide and some really do not display a very symmetrical or solid H&A pattern.

For GIA grading criteria for triple ex, H&A is not taken into consideration, in fact, so does AGSL. But more important than the H&A pattern, those borderline GIA triple excellent experience quite significant light leakage and appear to be rather dull compared to those with super ideal proportions.

 

[jxyang888]

Today I went to another retailer and was quoted a 0.3 E colour VS1 for 2k with settings.. It's certified by IGI instead of GIA or AGS. It has 57 facets and if I rem correctly it's graded triple excellence? It looks good to me and in terms of size it is comparable to at 0.4. I have heard much about GIA and AGS but not IGI so I am abit concern. What u guys think about this? Thanks in advance!!

 

[SmilingDevil]

Hello bros,

I read through a load of pages and there're a lot of experts here!! Haha

Anyway long story short, just went down to Jann Paul and got the following specs

Carat - 1.02
Color - G
Clarity - VS2
Cut - Super Ideal / Triple Excellent

Quote - $14,500

A few questions that I would like to ask the experts here
1) is the above price a good deal? It exceeded my budget by quite a lot!!!
2) is there any difference if it is an ideal cut vs a super ideal cut? Based on what I was gold by Rei (the folk that served me earlier) the price would be cheaper.

Personal experience with Jann Paul, I don't find the sale person particular knowledgable and she didn't seems comfortable w some of my questions. And I have that feeling she's can't wait to discuss price. Again my personal humble opinion.

Any feedback or recommendation is warmly appreciated!!

Thanks folks!

Not sure about the market price now, 5 months back I got JP 1.01 F VS2 super ideal for the same price. Went back for a 2nd trip to settle some stuff, was browsing the diamond saw a JP 1.02 F VS2 diamond they quote me additional 450 more. I was like wtf.
Super ideal is different from ideal. It is one level up.
Rmb to get white gold or titanium as the colour of the ring can affect your diamond colour.
I don't think they discuss abt price. It is pretty much fixed

 

[hollander]

Today I went to another retailer and was quoted a 0.3 E colour VS1 for 2k with settings.. It's certified by IGI instead of GIA or AGS. It has 57 facets and if I rem correctly it's graded triple excellence? It looks good to me and in terms of size it is comparable to at 0.4. I have heard much about GIA and AGS but not IGI so I am abit concern. What u guys think about this? Thanks in advance!!

57 facets is the round brilliant that you will normally find in most stores.
IGI have a name of it's own and very popular in European country similar with HRD and their presence is worldwide as well. You can verify the report of your diamond online as well.

About the size, is it .30ct? of somewhere around .31 to .35ct? or .36 to .39?
if it is around .30ct to .35ct and you are saying comparable to a .40ct then you must be very careful, the diamond could probably have a shallow depth and wide a table.

If only the color and "size" of diamond is your concern, then it is a good buy as the size that you are having is a around .40ct while you are only paying for a size of .30ct.

What I can suggest is for your to ask the same store to show a diamond certified by another lab with the same carat or almost the same size, color, cut, clarity as your baseline of comparison.

 

[Grizz.P]

Today I went to another retailer and was quoted a 0.3 E colour VS1 for 2k with settings.. It's certified by IGI instead of GIA or AGS. It has 57 facets and if I rem correctly it's graded triple excellence? It looks good to me and in terms of size it is comparable to at 0.4. I have heard much about GIA and AGS but not IGI so I am abit concern. What u guys think about this? Thanks in advance!!

IGI certs are not as good as GIA or AGS. They are known to be less strict. I was told that IGI diamonds should cost like 40% cheaper than GIA or AGS. I reckon you should try go for a more reputable cert.. For an IGI diamond, the price is on the high side.

 

[hazel_ice]

hmm~ i got a sapphire as gift...how to see if the sapphire is good or not?
never had sapphire before... curious to know if any one can help~
now don't even know if the sapphire is real~ fake also nevermind since is a gift at least i know hehe~