Proposal Ring - Part 2

[Grizz.P]

Any idea if this specs is good? And how much is a fair price to pay for it?

0.76 cts VVS1 G, table:58%, depth:59%, crown angle: 34, pavillion angle: 43.5, depth: 60.7, star: 50, lower girdle:78, polish: very good, symmetry: excellent

Recs on where is a good place for setting?

I think you should try to go for an 3EXC at least. If budget is your concern, you can try dropping the clarity

 

[owen525]

Thanks Grizz, assuming the same with 3EXC, what price would be fair to pay?

I think you should try to go for an 3EXC at least. If budget is your concern, you can try dropping the clarity

 

[Des126]

Any idea if this specs is good? And how much is a fair price to pay for it?

0.76 cts VVS1 G, table:58%, depth:59%, crown angle: 34, pavillion angle: 43.5, depth: 60.7, star: 50, lower girdle:78, polish: very good, symmetry: excellent

Recs on where is a good place for setting?

I'm not sure if JP will do the setting if not getting the diamonds from them.

You can try Yuen Tung or White Dwarf for the setting.

 

[owen525]

Ok might try White Dwarf. Any idea what would be a rough price range for this diamond, assuming everything same but 3exc?

I'm not sure if JP will do the setting if not getting the diamonds from them.

You can try Yuen Tung or White Dwarf for the setting.

 

[Des126]

Ok might try White Dwarf. Any idea what would be a rough price range for this diamond, assuming everything same but 3exc?

As mentioned before i always use the price from Bluenile as a guideline. The spec you mentioned may cost less then 6k. The price should be much higher if it is an Ideal/Super Ideal.

Yuen Tung also have quite a lot of design for setting.

 

[ShrekDonkey]

hi people!

i remember reading somewhere from this thread that we can actually pay by the 0% installment plan with UOB ONE card and get up to $600 rebates.. does anyone know how it actually works?

 

[ivandemi]

Hi, can someone help me with my Brellia pics? Do they look ok? I need to confirm the diamond soon for them to start on my ring setting.

Bought a 0.45 F VS1 Brellia.. went down with my gf and she immediately liked the Brellia after seeing the diamond Saved me the hassle of deciding which diamond to choose.. hehe

Below are the pictures I received for my diamond.
Do they look ok? Any comments would be very much appreciated!

 

[bedposthalo]

Hi, can someone help me with my Brellia pics? Do they look ok? I need to confirm the diamond soon for them to start on my ring setting.

The scope pictures looks fine. So far all the scope pictures from JP looks very consistent with their quality. They've got very tight QC

 

[Des126]

The scope pictures looks fine. So far all the scope pictures from JP looks very consistent with their quality. They've got very tight QC

I agreed with bedposthalo that JP's QC is very stringent.

 

[Draculav]

Bought a 0.45 F VS1 Brellia.. went down with my gf and she immediately liked the Brellia after seeing the diamond Saved me the hassle of deciding which diamond to choose.. hehe

Below are the pictures I received for my diamond.
Do they look ok? Any comments would be very much appreciated!

Nice pictures.. can pm me the price if you don't mind? Thanks

 

[Seannie]

Wah, almost exact same specs as mine.

Except mine was D color and I paid 7k. Looks like I overpaid.

Hey man, looks like u not too familiar with diamonds. D is the purest colour (colour less). Wonder why so many people buy F colour which has a tint of yellow. According to a friend, those F colour diamond turns yellowish faster than D. So definitely I'm sure u paid more for a certain reason. So after a few years, F color diamonds turns more yellowish?

 

[Grizz.P]

Hey man, looks like u not too familiar with diamonds. D is the purest colour (colour less). Wonder why so many people buy F colour which has a tint of yellow. According to a friend, those F colour diamond turns yellowish faster than D. So definitely I'm sure u paid more for a certain reason. So after a few years, F color diamonds turns more yellowish?

Hmm.. The colour grade is fixed and shouldn't detiorate over time le.. Or maybe cos your friend's ring got dirty?

 

[yhj82]

Good morning,

Has anyone heard about Meyson Starrs? It is claimed to be an internationally recognised standard perfect H&A. They look really nice through the H&A scope, though the HCA score is around 2.7. Its an 0.81ct F SI1, 3Ex, depth 62.2%, table 57%, crown angle 35.5, pav angle 40.8. Star/lower half is 50%/80%, ~6.8k. Is it worth an SI1 if it is not obvious, and not a feather?

How about these 2 from WD?

0.74ct F VS1, 3Ex, depth 62.2%, table 56%, crown angle 34.5, pav angle 40.8. Star/lower half is 50%/80%, ~6K. HCA is 1.3, though the hearts appear to have little clefts. not sure if its the angle it is viewed from. The aset looks pretty to a newbie like me.

0.84ct F VS1, 3Ex, depth 61.5%, table 57%, crown angle 34.5, pav angle 40.8. Star/lower half is 50%/75% with thicker arrows, 7+K. HCA is 1.4, though the arrow head and body dont really look aligned.

 

[final1]

Hey man, looks like u not too familiar with diamonds. D is the purest colour (colour less). Wonder why so many people buy F colour which has a tint of yellow. According to a friend, those F colour diamond turns yellowish faster than D. So definitely I'm sure u paid more for a certain reason. So after a few years, F color diamonds turns more yellowish?

if u dun know about diamonds.....better not say...

 

[Grizz.P]

Good morning,

Has anyone heard about Meyson Starrs? It is claimed to be an internationally recognised standard perfect H&A. They look really nice through the H&A scope, though the HCA score is around 2.7. Its an 0.81ct F SI1, 3Ex, depth 62.2%, table 57%, crown angle 35.5, pav angle 40.8. Star/lower half is 50%/80%, ~6.8k. Is it worth an SI1 if it is not obvious, and not a feather?

How about these 2 from WD?

0.74ct F VS1, 3Ex, depth 62.2%, table 56%, crown angle 34.5, pav angle 40.8. Star/lower half is 50%/80%, ~6K. HCA is 1.3, though the hearts appear to have little clefts. not sure if its the angle it is viewed from. The aset looks pretty to a newbie like me.

0.84ct F VS1, 3Ex, depth 61.5%, table 57%, crown angle 34.5, pav angle 40.8. Star/lower half is 50%/75% with thicker arrows, 7+K. HCA is 1.4, though the arrow head and body dont really look aligned.

HCA score of 2.7 is rather high..

Try to avoid diamonds with depth over 62%. The diamond is too long and will cause it to appear longer than it should be.. There shouldn't be clefts in the hearts too.. Clefts are not caused by the angle you view.. If its there, it's there.

I think the alignment of the arrows should one of the basic things that should be correct. Most of the diamond I saw have no problems with the arrows but problems with other areas like the ASET scope. Generally, if you see a problem in the arrows, you should see problems in the ASET too..

 

[Seannie]

Hmm.. The colour grade is fixed and shouldn't detiorate over time le.. Or maybe cos your friend's ring got dirty?

Thanks for your advice. Actually my friend thinks F color turns yellowish faster so since we are not sure so wanna check it out over here. I don't know anything about diamonds at all and not interested. But since my friend wants to know I shoot it here cos I know surely diamond lovers will reply. Hahahahaha.

 

[Seannie]

if u dun know about diamonds.....better not say...

Dunnoe all the more must say so that I will be corrected by people who knows best. Keep quiet forever I don't know the truth. As for the guy who paid 7k for a D color, looks like he didn't overpay after all. Questions answered. Sleep in peace. Hooray!

 

[Des126]

HCA score of 2.7 is rather high..

Try to avoid diamonds with depth over 62%. The diamond is too long and will cause it to appear longer than it should be.. There shouldn't be clefts in the hearts too.. Clefts are not caused by the angle you view.. If its there, it's there.

I think the alignment of the arrows should one of the basic things that should be correct. Most of the diamond I saw have no problems with the arrows but problems with other areas like the ASET scope. Generally, if you see a problem in the arrows, you should see problems in the ASET too..

I don't think we should only look at the depth alone to make any conclusion. The proportion should depend on all parameter like crown angle, pavilion angle, table and depth. This is why we need the HCA to do the first step elimination. The score should be less than 2. Most of the Ideal will have 1.4 and below. As long as the depth is within 62.3 i would say it is still within Ideal range provided other parameters are in proportion. The only concern to me is the diameter of the diamond. The diameter may be slightly smaller compare to those like 61.8 for the same carat but we should compare the price as well. I would definitely compare the price to ensure the one i get is value for money. Furthermore i doubt you are able to see any difference in term of size when look at both side by side.

After we have passed through the HCA test, then we need ASET anaysis to further verify if it is Ideal H&A. For an Ideal H&A, the ASET image should not have light leakage and the arrow alignment should be symmetrical with an even edge light leakage.

As for the cleft on hearts, i noticed that when the lower half % getting higher like 78% the separation gap between hearts and "V arrowhead" will become wider and the hearts will tend to have slight clefts which i think is acceptable. Attached are the sample of Super Ideal H&A from WF. As you see when the lower half is 75% the hearts and "V arrowhead" are almost attached and the cleft almost does not exist.

Below another sample of Brellia H&A from JP. I believe minor cleft should be acceptable as JP's QC is very strict.

You mention the 0.74ct F VS1 ASET looks pretty to you. Is it close to the sample of "Top Performance" as shown in AGS ASET Scope Image? If so i would think this is quite a good deal based on the price you mentioned. The common GIA 3EX of the same spec from Bluenile also very close to 6k after GST.

 

[yhj82]

You mention the 0.74ct F VS1 ASET looks pretty to you. Is it close to the sample of "Top Performance" as shown in AGS ASET Scope Image? If so i would think this is quite a good deal based on the price you mentioned. The common GIA 3EX of the same spec from Bluenile also very close to 6k after GST.[/QUOTE]

i like it too, but FW liked the larger .84 which had misaligned arrow heads, not sure if it will affect the shimmer. is a SI1 a no-no?

Anybody have experience with Meyson Starrs? The hca is high but the H&A are nice and clear and the stone shimmers under the store lightings

 

[Grizz.P]

I don't think we should only look at the depth alone to make any conclusion. The proportion should depend on all parameter like crown angle, pavilion angle, table and depth. This is why we need the HCA to do the first step elimination. The score should be less than 2. Most of the Ideal will have 1.4 and below. As long as the depth is within 62.3 i would say it is still within Ideal range provided other parameters are in proportion. The only concern to me is the diameter of the diamond. The diameter may be slightly smaller compare to those like 61.8 for the same carat but we should compare the price as well. I would definitely compare the price to ensure the one i get is value for money. Furthermore i doubt you are able to see any difference in term of size when look at both side by side.

After we have passed through the HCA test, then we need ASET anaysis to further verify if it is Ideal H&A. For an Ideal H&A, the ASET image should not have light leakage and the arrow alignment should be symmetrical with an even edge light leakage.

As for the cleft on hearts, i noticed that when the lower half % getting higher like 78% the separation gap between hearts and "V arrowhead" will become wider and the hearts will tend to have slight clefts which i think is acceptable. Attached are the sample of Super Ideal H&A from WF. As you see when the lower half is 75% the hearts and "V arrowhead" are almost attached and the cleft almost does not exist.

Below another sample of Brellia H&A from JP. I believe minor cleft should be acceptable as JP's QC is very strict.

You mention the 0.74ct F VS1 ASET looks pretty to you. Is it close to the sample of "Top Performance" as shown in AGS ASET Scope Image? If so i would think this is quite a good deal based on the price you mentioned. The common GIA 3EX of the same spec from Bluenile also very close to 6k after GST.

Actually, from what I've researched, a depth over 62% falls out of the Ideal range already. Anything over 62% have carat wastage which means your paying more for a smaller diamond. It also affects the overall proportion performance. But then again, different shops have different standards of what is an Ideal diamond. Nowadays its blindly used to call any diamond the shop deem as "good".

When a diamond has clefts in the hearts, it's caused by the lower half being too long. In the ASET scope it can still look fine as it would have good scintillation. However, it would lack fire. That's why, for any True hearts and arrows diamond, you won't see any clefts at all.. Cos a True hearts and arrows is suppose to have a good balance of fire AND scintillation.

I don't think the Brellia can be compared to a true hearts and arrows since its a different diamond. It's not suppose to be cut the same way as a round.