Proposal Ring - Part 2

[Grizz.P]

You mention the 0.74ct F VS1 ASET looks pretty to you. Is it close to the sample of "Top Performance" as shown in AGS ASET Scope Image? If so i would think this is quite a good deal based on the price you mentioned. The common GIA 3EX of the same spec from Bluenile also very close to 6k after GST.

Most shop lighting uses strong led lights. So the diamond will have extra sparkles. It's like seeing a crystal with a high beam light shining on it. But when you see the diamond in normal environment, that's where a good cut diamond really shines. It doesn't have to rely on led lights to sparkle.

I've not heard about their store before.. Most of the time SI diamonds can see the inclusion, especially from the front or sideway of the diamond. A high HCA score already tells you the standard proportions of the diamond is not good. It means it'll appear much worse when you use the Aset scope cos the basic angles are already not good.

 

[Des126]

You mention the 0.74ct F VS1 ASET looks pretty to you. Is it close to the sample of "Top Performance" as shown in AGS ASET Scope Image? If so i would think this is quite a good deal based on the price you mentioned. The common GIA 3EX of the same spec from Bluenile also very close to 6k after GST.

i like it too, but FW liked the larger .84 which had misaligned arrow heads, not sure if it will affect the shimmer. is a SI1 a no-no?

Anybody have experience with Meyson Starrs? The hca is high but the H&A are nice and clear and the stone shimmers under the store lightings[/QUOTE]

You need to check if the Meyson Starrs diamond that you are interested is certified by GIA or AGS. GIA SI1 is still acceptable but this is only subject to case to case basis as not all the SI1 are identical. Other lab SI1 i will not recommend at all.

Whether it will affect the shimmer? If you are comparing Ideal and common 3EX i would say you will be able to observe the difference in term of brilliance, fire & scintillation. But if both are Ideal Cut, i doubt the difference is obvious.

I would advise you requesting the jeweller to put both stones together side by side for comparison under difference lighting environment. Sometimes we always inspect the stones with tools like ASET & H&A scope. We should not forget also to observe the performance by our own eye. Just choose the one your FW like most as your FW will be the one who wear it everyday.

 

[Des126]

Actually, from what I've researched, a depth over 62% falls out of the Ideal range already. Anything over 62% have carat wastage which means your paying more for a smaller diamond. It also affects the overall proportion performance. But then again, different shops have different standards of what is an Ideal diamond. Nowadays its blindly used to call any diamond the shop deem as "good".

When a diamond has clefts in the hearts, it's caused by the lower half being too long. In the ASET scope it can still look fine as it would have good scintillation. However, it would lack fire. That's why, for any True hearts and arrows diamond, you won't see any clefts at all.. Cos a True hearts and arrows is suppose to have a good balance of fire AND scintillation.

I don't think the Brellia can be compared to a true hearts and arrows since its a different diamond. It's not suppose to be cut the same way as a round.

I don't agree we can't compare with Brellia. Since Brellia has been recognised as Cushion H&A, a H&A diamond regardless round or cushion should have True hearts and arrows as well. If not what does it mean by H&A. If i'm not mistaken i have come across with JP Brellia Hearts image with no clefts.

What about the hearts image from JP Super Ideal as shown below. It does have slight clefts as well.

I noticed JP, WF & GOG's Super Ideal does have slight clefts when the lower half % is higher than 77%. All these jewellers are very reputable and well known with their own Super Ideal H&A Diamonds which make me believe minor clefts is acceptable.


Below is another sample of hearts image without cleft.

 

[Grizz.P]

I don't agree we can't compare with Brellia. Since Brellia has been recognised as Cushion H&A, a H&A diamond regardless round or cushion should have True hearts and arrows as well. If not what does it mean by H&A. If i'm not mistaken i have come across with JP Brellia Hearts image with no clefts.

What about the hearts image from JP Super Ideal as shown below. It does have slight clefts as well.

I noticed JP, WF & GOG's Super Ideal does have slight clefts when the lower half % is higher than 77%. All these jewellers are very reputable and well known with their own Super Ideal H&A Diamonds which make me believe minor clefts is acceptable.


Below is another sample of hearts image without cleft.

There is a difference between small and minute clefts. Clefts itself is a no no. It's doesn't make sense to compare a round and a brellia hearts and arrows. Like how you can't use the HCA calculator for the brellia or solasfera, even though they both have hearts and arrows. Cushion diamonds, including the Brellia, naturally have thicker girdles compared to a round, even though it has hearts and arrows too. If you notice, brellia have painted girdles at its 4 corners, which a true hearts and arrows won't have. It's a different diamond that it meant to be cut differently.

 

[KF0000]

Hi experts, tell me something about this stone

Is the depth is too much as what is discussed above?
All those clarity characteristics seem troubling too...

 

[Grizz.P]

Hi experts, tell me something about this stone

Is the depth is too much as what is discussed above?
All those clarity characteristics seem troubling too...

The solasfera is cut differently from the Super Ideal or Brellia. So the proportion would be different. Like all modified rounds, the cert won't show the crown or pavilion angles since its cut differently. Likewise, you can't use the HCA calculator on it.. This is where you really need to rely on the Aset and hearts and arrows scope.

The clarity characteristics only shows the type of inclusion but not how bad it is. Some VVS diamonds can even have 4 types.. But it doesn't mean that it's worse.

 

[Des126]

There is a difference between small and minute clefts. Clefts itself is a no no. It's doesn't make sense to compare a round and a brellia hearts and arrows. Like how you can't use the HCA calculator for the brellia or solasfera, even though they both have hearts and arrows. Cushion diamonds, including the Brellia, naturally have thicker girdles compared to a round, even though it has hearts and arrows too. If you notice, brellia have painted girdles at its 4 corners, which a true hearts and arrows won't have. It's a different diamond that it meant to be cut differently.

You seem to know Brellia very well.

Actually what i'm trying to say is Brellia even have slight clefts on the hearts it is still a TRUE H&A diamond.

If i am paying for the price of Super Ideal H&A, of course i would never consider any clefts even just very very minor clefts. If the price is much lower i dont mind to have the small clefts as long as it is still an Ideal H&A.

I feel that everyone will have their own expectation about Ideal or Super Ideal diamond based on their budget. I don't think we should put our own requirement as a guideline to them to select ONLY Super Ideal diamond. All these diamonds with minor clefts can be a Top Performance as well if the H&A and ASET is good. I do not see any problem with these diamonds if the price is right.

 

[Grizz.P]

You seem to know Brellia very well.

Actually what i'm trying to say is Brellia even have slight clefts on the hearts it is still a TRUE H&A diamond.

If i am paying for the price of Super Ideal H&A, of course i would never consider any clefts even just very very minor clefts. If the price is much lower i dont mind to have the small clefts as long as it is still an Ideal H&A.

I feel that everyone will have their own expectation about Ideal or Super Ideal diamond based on their budget. I don't think we should put our own requirement as a guideline to them to select ONLY Super Ideal diamond. All these diamonds with minor clefts can be a Top Performance as well if the H&A and ASET is good. I do not see any problem with these diamonds if the price is right.

I'm just saying it is what it is.. I'm purely talking about the technicality of a diamond, while ignoring the price. I'm sorry if I come across alittle too strong but I felt you were passing out wrong information by saying things like over 62% is fine as long other angles are ok, or misinterpreting what a true hearts and arrows is.. When spending thousands of dollars, you do want to know what you're paying for and not overpay for an inferior good.

 

[DawnMin]

you really can't compare different cuts and try to label them as true or not, especially different shapes and define what true hearts and arrows are

diamonds with extremely high LGF's modified rounds, have clefts go so far in that they no longer look like a heart at all. Can we say they are fake heart and arrows?

it would result in extremely thin mains and though it's scintillation would be off the charts, fire and contrast would be penalized, but it attracts some people

one more thing: those 2 pictures cant be compared, the jannpaul picture has a much higher resolution than the whiteflash one. use the H&A viewer, use a low res camera, and you wont find a single cleft even though they do have them. though the whiteflash picture definitely has 0 clefts when the arrow heads are so near to the heart. But just stating this fact

 

[DawnMin]

Thanks for your advice. Actually my friend thinks F color turns yellowish faster so since we are not sure so wanna check it out over here. I don't know anything about diamonds at all and not interested. But since my friend wants to know I shoot it here cos I know surely diamond lovers will reply. Hahahahaha.

no... they will never turn yellowish faster
the color of a diamond is from the nitrogen atomic structure in each particular diamond.
only extreme high pressure high temperature methods can change a diamond's color intensity, nothing possible through daily activities

which means a F stays a F, a D stays a D. The only possibility of it becoming more yellowish, would possibly be that the diamond has serious leakage under the table and dirt trapped under the diamond is seen from the top

 

[Des126]

you really can't compare different cuts and try to label them as true or not, especially different shapes and define what true hearts and arrows are

diamonds with extremely high LGF's modified rounds, have clefts go so far in that they no longer look like a heart at all. Can we say they are fake heart and arrows?

it would result in extremely thin mains and though it's scintillation would be off the charts, fire and contrast would be penalized, but it attracts some people

one more thing: those 2 pictures cant be compared, the jannpaul picture has a much higher resolution than the whiteflash one. use the H&A viewer, use a low res camera, and you wont find a single cleft even though they do have them. though the whiteflash picture definitely has 0 clefts when the arrow heads are so near to the heart. But just stating this fact

It's good to learn from expects like Grizz.P and DawnMin. Thanks a lot for the clarifications about modified round brilliant and cushion.

Pertaining to the LGF% of a 57 facet round brilliant, I remembered you did mention in your blog that the lowest % should not be less than 75%. What about the highest % of LGF that we should avoid?

 

[ivandemi]

Thanks for the comments guys! Grizz.p, can you check if the pictures of my Brellia is ok too? I know some of you already said it's ok.. I'm anxious and want to be doubly sure

 

[ivandemi]

Nice pictures.. can pm me the price if you don't mind? Thanks

Pmed you the price

 

[Grizz.P]

you really can't compare different cuts and try to label them as true or not, especially different shapes and define what true hearts and arrows are

diamonds with extremely high LGF's modified rounds, have clefts go so far in that they no longer look like a heart at all. Can we say they are fake heart and arrows?

it would result in extremely thin mains and though it's scintillation would be off the charts, fire and contrast would be penalized, but it attracts some people

one more thing: those 2 pictures cant be compared, the jannpaul picture has a much higher resolution than the whiteflash one. use the H&A viewer, use a low res camera, and you wont find a single cleft even though they do have them. though the whiteflash picture definitely has 0 clefts when the arrow heads are so near to the heart. But just stating this fact

Thanks for the help! Hahaha

 

[Grizz.P]

Thanks for the comments guys! Grizz.p, can you check if the pictures of my Brellia is ok too? I know some of you already said it's ok.. I'm anxious and want to be doubly sure

The diamond looks good.. Don't worry, if there's a problem, alot of people here will point it out for you.. Sometimes, no comments is a good thing.. Because there's nothing wrong to point out. Lol

 

[sendohadr]

Hi bros, would like to check whether the price of $1680 is reasonable for the diamond as shown below.

Diamond : Super Ideal Cut ( Loose Diamond )

0.33 VS1 G

 

[Des126]

Hi bros, would like to check whether the price of $1680 is reasonable for the diamond as shown below.

Diamond : Super Ideal Cut ( Loose Diamond )

0.33 VS1 G

I can't find the same spec for comparison. Below is a 0.415ct F VS2 WF ACA Super Ideal H&A for your reference.

USD1115 x 1.28 (USD to SGD) x 1.07 (GST) = SGD1527

Whether the price of 0.33 is reasonable or not, it depends on individual. It would be better for you to judge it yourself.

 

[momo38]

I'm looking at these 4 from 1.003 to 1.008c, G/H, VS1/VS2, Ideal/Excellent cut.
With the Aset/Idealscope, they look pretty fine to me with no apparent downsides.
To me the cut is most important as it is difficult to see colour/inclusions without pixel peeping..

Which do you reckon provides more value?

1st time from Whiteflash so I'm just a little uneasy over this purchase.

Thanks for comments!

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/compare.aspx?idnos=2782645,2671395,2762657,2762653

 

[Des126]

I'm looking at these 4 from 1.003 to 1.008c, G/H, VS1/VS2, Ideal/Excellent cut.
With the Aset/Idealscope, they look pretty fine to me with no apparent downsides.
To me the cut is most important as it is difficult to see colour/inclusions without pixel peeping..

Which do you reckon provides more value?

1st time from Whiteflash so I'm just a little uneasy over this purchase.

Thanks for comments!

Diamond comparison | Compare Diamonds to choose and buy the best one

Among these 4, 1.003 H VS1 which is WF ACA Super Ideal H&A looks better to me.

But have you seen any H color diamond before? Most of the time H color diamond looks slightly yellowish especially when the diamond is getting bigger like more than 1ct. I would advise to go for at least G unless you are comfortable with H that exhibit slight yellow tinge.

Secondly always try to avoid round carat weight like 1ct. if you happen to ever chip your diamond, and it falls in the 0.99 category, you'd lose a significant amount of value to your diamond. Try to get those carat size with 1.02ct and above for a better invenstment.

I doubt you should worry anything about the purchase with WF as they are one of most reputable jewellers from US who is well known with their ACA Super Ideal H&A diamonds. Just remember to check with them about the insurance coverage when they ship over the diamond to Singapore. Normally FedEx will pay the GST (7%) on your behalf upon clearance at Singapore Custom. Meaning to you, you will only pay back the GST togther with some admin charge once you receive the invoice from FedEx which is normally one week after you receive the diamond.

If you are looking for Super Ideal H&A diamond, why not pay a visit to JannPaul. JP is one of the most reputable jewellers in Singapore who only carry Super Ideal H&A and other branded modified round and cusion like Solasfera & Brellia. Just compare the price they are offering with WF. Most importantly you can veiw the diamond in person before the purchase and it would save you a lot of hassle compare to online purchase.

 

[sneggg]

hi experts here looking for a ring budget abt 4k. any reccomended diamonds or shops to go to ?