Proposal Ring - Part 2

[rain_myth]

by d way, do anyone noe the ideal way to look out on depth?

i read shld nt b more than 62%

but there shld b a range rite?

more than x but less than 62%..wat the x %?

and there is this L/W Ratio..can any expert tell me the ideal ratio?

 

[boxedfish]

Just got the report of the Brellia cushion i recently bought. Any comments on it? It doesn't have a GIA certification but a AGS cert instead.

 

[rain_myth]

Just got the report of the Brellia cushion i recently bought. Any comments on it? It doesn't have a GIA certification but a AGS cert instead.

ags is better, based on 11 points, compare to gia of 5points. rite?

 

[luv_boa]

If its the round shape from Jann Paul, it should be the super ideal cut.. The only other one is the solasfera. Their diamonds are good. Rose gold seems to be getting quite popular

these are my scope pics

comments from anyone is much appreciated !

 

[ming707]

Any scope pics?

Not at the moment. Will post it once i have any

 

[lookingforsword]

Guys,

LH was offering me this piece - can any brothers here tell me if it's any good?

GIA 6145863099
round modified brilliant
4.77 - 4.80 x 3.05mm
0.44ct
Color D
VS2
depth 63.8%
table size 56%
faceted girdle
no cutlet
no fluorescence

 

[dustyRoom]

Guys,

LH was offering me this piece - can any brothers here tell me if it's any good?

GIA 6145863099
round modified brilliant
4.77 - 4.80 x 3.05mm
0.44ct
Color D
VS2
depth 63.8%
table size 56%
faceted girdle
no cutlet
no fluorescence

Destinee royale huh. Not pro enough to comment on the specs but I'm more interested in the price?

 

[lookingforsword]

Destinee royale huh. Not pro enough to comment on the specs but I'm more interested in the price?

Will reveal the price later bro, but would really like comments on the specs. Any good, or should I pass?

 

[dustyRoom]

Will reveal the price later bro, but would really like comments on the specs. Any good, or should I pass?

The usual stuff like depth <62.2% should not apply to this since it is a modified cut and not the usual 57 facet cut.

Personally I wouldn't like vs2, but it's really up to the buyer and the type of inclusion. have you verified that you are not able to see it without the loupe?

 

[Aaron_soh80]

Anyone getting one soon?

So many in the market don't know which to choose. GoldHeart and Lee Hwa is my choice now.

Budget around 1k

1K can buy what **** at gold heart and lee hwa?

 

[lookingforsword]

Yup, the speck is not a problem. What do you think of the brilliance, and generally would this be a good stone / cut? I really can't tell unless there's some other stone to compare it to.

Also, any opinions on the full value trade in scheme?

The usual stuff like depth <62.2% should not apply to this since it is a modified cut and not the usual 57 facet cut.

Personally I wouldn't like vs2, but it's really up to the buyer and the type of inclusion. have you verified that you are not able to see it without the loupe?

 

[dustyRoom]

Yup, the speck is not a problem. What do you think of the brilliance, and generally would this be a good stone / cut? I really can't tell unless there's some other stone to compare it to.

Also, any opinions on the full value trade in scheme?

I haven't seen a royale in person before, can't comment.
Most reputable places have some form of trade-in I believe.

 

[bedposthalo]

Guys,

LH was offering me this piece - can any brothers here tell me if it's any good?

GIA 6145863099
round modified brilliant
4.77 - 4.80 x 3.05mm
0.44ct
Color D
VS2
depth 63.8%
table size 56%
faceted girdle
no cutlet
no fluorescence

It its the destinee royale, can't tell much cos its a modified round.. like dustyroom said, the proportions won't be the same as the typical round since its meant to be cut differently. But 63.8% is abit deep even for a modified round.. basically, the deeper it is, the smaller your diamond will be from the top view.

Though I don't get how they get away with selling their diamonds at such a high price without the scopes to prove it..

 

[rEss007]

Which one did you end up getting?

Hi bro! I picked the .56 ct VS2 G solasfera and with a side diamond setting, i was quoted just a few hundred bucks below 7k. the way i see it, if you look at the diamond from 2-3 ft away (plus hand is moving) you need to have at least .67 ct or more to have a significant diff.. and with a side diamond setting already pre-planned, id go over my budget already she has 7 US finger size, i hope it will be just enough

Anyone here have fiancee or wife with 7 US size ring finger? what can you say bout the diamond ct size?

 

[Grizz.P]

Hi bro! I picked the .56 ct VS2 G solasfera and with a side diamond setting, i was quoted just a few hundred bucks below 7k. the way i see it, if you look at the diamond from 2-3 ft away (plus hand is moving) you need to have at least .67 ct or more to have a significant diff.. and with a side diamond setting already pre-planned, id go over my budget already she has 7 US finger size, i hope it will be just enough

Anyone here have fiancee or wife with 7 US size ring finger? what can you say bout the diamond ct size?

Nice! You need a few carats to see the difference.. Carat is only the weight. 0.01 carat = 0.002 grams lol.
Some more if the diamond is cut too deep, more carat also no use..

Anyway the Solasfera is one of the best cut already.. It maximizes the size to the carat weight. So it should have the best balance of light performance and size.

 

[ksapple]

anyone have bought diamonds from antwerp before? i was quoted vs2 D color perfect cut 0.61 carat with in house grading(no gia cert) set on 18k white gold with 8 tiny tiny side diamonds for 3300sgd can buy? and if i buy a loose diamond can i get it certify in sg?

 

[Draculav]

anyone have bought diamonds from antwerp before? i was quoted vs2 D color perfect cut 0.61 carat with in house grading(no gia cert) set on 18k white gold with 8 tiny tiny side diamonds for 3300sgd can buy? and if i buy a loose diamond can i get it certify in sg?

I'd be wary with in house gradings.. It's not recognized and usually not accurate. Even the "internationally recognized" certs like EGL, IGI, etc are already known for their lower grading and avoided.. So imagine how "off" the inhouse grading can be..

It's not expensive to get the GIA cert for the diamond. If the diamond is really a perfect cut, they can get the GIA cert for it and it'll be worth much more.. Did you try using the scopes to see the diamond?

You can expect a very different grading if you certify it.. you might end up paying more for the real value for the diamond.. Best is to stick with GIA or AGS..

 

[Alpha0]

Hi guys , wish you seek opinions on the following diamond.

May I ask what crystal, pinpoint and needle in the gia report means ?
$4k with 18k and side diamonds setting. Good deal ?
Thanks.

 

[shaoos]

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[dettolSG]

After a fair bit of research, i decided to head down to JannPaul for the free diamond education session. Was served by Casey - friendly guy who knows his stuff.

The whole session was well structured and easy to follow for newbies. Learnt quite a few impt things which i thought i'll share:

HCA cert - this is to help u eliminate the more inferior diamonds, and not meant as a criterion to choose a diamond. The score is derived based on ratio of diamond dimensions, taking into acct things like depth, angle, etc. The lower the score, the better

GIA cert - standard doc stating the 4Cs and diamond specs. The GIA cert no is embedded in the diamond and can be viewed under magnification

Then on to the 4Cs:
Cut - most impt C of all. The rest of the Cs are pretty SOP. And yet this is the aspect that most shops tend not to focus on. If the cut specs are good, the brightness of the diamond is auto taken care of. I think JP is confident in their cut quality thats why they have diff kinds of scopes to examine the cut of a diamond. iirc,

Ideal, ASET scopes
to show u where the light return, contrast, and light leakage are. Impt thing here is to see the 8 arrows, and not to have green semicircles near the girdle. These green areas will appear as dull areas in real life and make ur diamond look smaller

Hearts&arrows
to show u the symmetry of the arrows (viewed from crown) and hearts (viewed from pavillion). impt thing here is to have near-perfect symmetry of the shapes e.g. there shldnt be cracks in any of the hearts

btw the scopes look really tiny, like small cones. I was expecting some microscope-like machines lol

And what I found out next was surprising. Casey showed me 3 diff sample diamonds which are all rated Triple Excellent by GIA. But when viewed under the scopes, the negative sample looked really bad! (no arrows, alot of white leakages etc)

Carat - most ppl shld be familiar. But carat measures the weight of the diamond and does not necessarily mean its bigger. How big it looks depends on things like the shape of the diamond, and cut (as what i mentioned above)

Color - the best way to see the color is to put the diamond against a white background and view it from the side. Honestly, if u were to look at one diamond itself, it's hard to see the color (unless ur going below the top 6 colors). Even if you're comparing one color grade difference between 2 diamonds, it's still hard to tell. Prolly need to compare at least 2 color grade diff to see the diff. I think if budget permits, go for the top 3 DEF (colorless).

Clarity - quite straightfwd. Go for VVS1-VS2 and it shld be safe. Casey also pointed out that feather inclusions should not appear at the edge of the diamond, if not the stone may crack when given a realy hard knock.

When choosing a diamond, the recommended preference of the 4Cs is as follows:
Cut, Carat, Color, Clarity

I was also shown how diff a diamond looks under display spotlight (those used in jewellery shops) and normal room lighting (i.e. normal conditions). It was almost impossible to tell which diamond is good under display spotlight because they all sparkle big time. But when placed under normal room lighting, the diff was very obvious.

I told Casey I'm looking for cushion cut and he showed me their signature Brellia diamond. According to him, they're the only one selling cushion cut with hearts&arrows. It looks really beautiful compared to the cushion ones i saw in other shops which have a bit of the shattered look.

I might come back again for a second visit. Good thing is they are not pushy and I left w/o any obligation. Not bad, learnt quite a bit about diamonds. At least you know what u'll be paying for