Proposal Ring - Part 3

[LindaLiao]

Hi Linda, thank you for the valuable feedback. Much appreciated as your words reassure that I made the right choice

I am still not very sure in calculating the HCA score as I don't have the culet number.

Btw, how did you do the multi quote above huh?
Thanks!

JP's a good choice. You can't go wrong with them. I upgraded my old diamond to their super ideal cut and it shines so much more

Usually diamonds will have a pointed bottom. You can leave that culet number to 0.

There is a small "multi quote on/off'' button in each post. Turn the button 'on' for the posts you want to mult quote.

 

[meshpenstand]

Anyone knows if JP take in diamonds not previously from them?

 

[bb_100]

Anyone knows if JP take in diamonds not previously from them?

??
What do you mean? Trade-in?

 

[meshpenstand]

??
What do you mean? Trade-in?

Either trade in, or buy back lo.

 

[bb_100]

Either trade in, or buy back lo.

The sales guy told me they do not, except for their signature cuts.

 

[akloaklo]

With your budget I suggest going for white gold ring.

A quick comparison for you:
I got my ring from JP. White gold setting cost $550 (stock design), platinum would bump it up to $950, that's for the same design. You may expect platinum to cost about 180%(+) that of white gold.

Your customization idea of having a heart shaped fold on the ring is very easy to do with JP. Some of their stock design already come with this feature. My suggestion is head down and let them know your requirements. I highly recommend you to stay within their stock design at $550, and do minor design adjustment, if not too complicated they won't charge extra.

Don't take side diamond as it doesn't suit your budget. At 3.5K(+), you may want to try your luck for a G/VS2 (low-end Super Ideal) 0.45-0.49, get as close, but below the 0.50 carat figure. It might just happen for you.

I highly recommend the Super Ideal. It's value for money.
The brilliance no need say its super ideal use eyes can tell already.

Luckily my gf don't want side diamond but want platinum as she is allergic to most metals and platinum won't have allergy effect i think.

 

[meshpenstand]

The sales guy told me they do not, except for their signature cuts.

Pity,

if not I can sell the ring to JP.

anyone know where I can offload it to? For a decent price.

 

[meshpenstand]

Luckily my gf don't want side diamond but want platinum as she is allergic to most metals and platinum won't have allergy effect i think.

I read somewhere, the white gold for JP is treated.
Means the chances of allergy is lesser.

 

[mero_cwj]

I read somewhere, the white gold for JP is treated.
Means the chances of allergy is lesser.

No, not treated. Allergies to white gold depend on the alloy used. Allergies are usually to the nickel that is used, but it is quite common nowadays to use palladium instead of nickel.

I think JP doesn't use nickel alloy white gold, but you should check with them to confirm.

Some of the downsides of platinum are that it is slightly less shiny compared to white gold and more prone to scratches, as well as being considerably heavier (which may be a plus or minus depending on individual preference). I considered platinum too initiailly but went for white gold in the end since it's pretty easy to replate or polish the white gold band later on when it becomes dinged up.

 

[ironmanstark88]

I think you got a very good deal.

For comparison, I checked the signature ideals on BN. This is the closest match they have.

0.81 D VS1
SGD 9,844 (after tax)
HCA: 2.3


0.81 D VS1
SGD 10,799 (after

Though I don't think this is a good comparison as their diamonds are inferior. Their HCA score is bad and not even in the ideal range. Not sure how this can be considered a signature ideal cut. Anyway, BN is not known for their quality but can give a pricing guide.

Yours is a super ideal cut 0.85 D VS1 for 10k+ with setting. If you include the setting, its already cheaper than BN ideals. Summore yours is a much better cut + bigger size.

Let me add another one to

0.85 E VS1
$9,150 after tax
HCA 1.3


So the lower the HCA score, the better I assume?
Mine is 0.9 if I didn't calculate wrongly.

 

[bb_100]

Let me add another one to

0.85 E VS1
$9,150 after tax
HCA 1.3

So the lower the HCA score, the better I assume?
Mine is 0.9 if I didn't calculate wrongly.

Lower the better. Usually people aim for 0-2.0. But the HCA is meant to be a rejection tool. Do not use it as a final selection.

0.9 is very good liao. Be sure to ask for the scope images to back up the HCA score.

 

[thecat21]

Hi All, I am new here. Visited JP recently upon seeing such a good feedback from so many of you here. I was told by 1 of the salesman that a diamond ending with and odd number means the cut is uneven. (Eg 0.97c and 0.75c)
Any idea if this is the truth?

instead of asking whether this is true... Why not ask if this is significant ?

If somehow this is true (which i think is complete BS), then ask yourself if your eyes could possibly tell the difference in crown and pavilion angles with a less than 0.5 degree difference ?

I wouldn't be able to tell the difference even with a scope!

If "uneven cuts due to odd carat size" may cause light leakage or lower performance, then look at the aset and idealscope, and not the last digit of the carat size

 

[thecat21]

Lower the better. Usually people aim for 0-2.0. But the HCA is meant to be a rejection tool. Do not use it as a final selection.

0.9 is very good liao. Be sure to ask for the scope images to back up the HCA score.

I found a nice 0.8 HCA stone on JA the other day for a guy here. 0.5 carat. Eye clean and no alarming inclusions, no fluoro. Sadly he already placed deposit with JP* for a 0.41 ct of the same price, so cannot choose now.

But JP* stones are solid, so i'm sure it will be a happy purchase.

Lowest HCA i found on JA so far !

 

[bb_100]

I found a nice 0.8 HCA stone on JA the other day for a guy here. 0.5 carat. Eye clean and no alarming inclusions, no fluoro. Sadly he already placed deposit with JA for a 0.41 ct of the same price, so cannot choose now.

But JA stones are solid, so i'm sure it will be a happy purchase.

Lowest HCA i found on JA so far !

James Allen can place deposit one meh? I thought have to pay the full price?

 

[thecat21]

James Allen can place deposit one meh? I thought have to pay the full price?

Sorry I always mix up JA & JP. I meant the deposit was placed with JP i think $500sgd.

Also i recently proposed with my ring from JA, and she loves it alot :

 

[mero_cwj]

instead of asking whether this is true... Why not ask if this is significant ?

If somehow this is true (which i think is complete BS), then ask yourself if your eyes could possibly tell the difference in crown and pavilion angles with a less than 0.5 degree difference ?

I wouldn't be able to tell the difference even with a scope!

If "uneven cuts due to odd carat size" may cause light leakage or lower performance, then look at the aset and idealscope, and not the last digit of the carat size

Although I'm not sure why crown and pavilion angles are even being brought into this discussion, that's not an accurate statement for crown and pavilion angles...

A difference of 0.5 in crown and pavilion angles is actually quite significant, as well as whether the angles are complementary. Can easily mean the difference between AGS 0 and AGS 1 in cut grading, and it can definitely be seen through a scope. E.g. using the default angles in the HCA tool of 34 crown angle and 40.5 pavilion angle (which gives a HCA score of 0.4 and Excellent grades in light return, fire, scintillation and spread), an increase of 0.5 in both to 34.5 and 41.0 gives a HCA score of 1.7 (and Excellent grades in light return and spread, but only Very Good for fire and scintillation), a decrease of 0.5 in both to 33.5 and 40 gives a HCA score of 1.8 (with Excellent grades in fire, scintillation and spread, but only Very Good for light return). Conversely, and which is why people always talk about crown and pavilion angles being complementary, if you decrease crown angle by 0.5 but increase pavilion angle by 0.5, to 33.5 and 41, HCA score is 0.9 with Excellent grades in light return, fire, scintillation and spread.

 

[bb_100]

Sorry I always mix up JA & JP. I meant the deposit was placed with JP i think $500sgd.

Also i recently proposed with my ring from JA, and she loves it alot :

Ohh James Allen. You made the whole package with them??

 

[exquisite_markas]

Thanks! Well The salesperson from canary did not even follow up with me when I told them I'm heading to JP for a look.
I guess the super ideal must be a notch above the rest then
Yea I'm not sure if mine is overpriced within the super ideal range

Technically, JannPaul's Super Ideal diamonds are those which you can get from BlueNile and JamesAllen - which consists of 8 hearts and arrows. The only thing which makes them so "special" (and of course pricey) is their selection process.

Out of all the 8 hearts and arrows diamond which JP receives, their team of experts will filter them out based on HCA score, the 4Cs, and the visual appearance under the various scopes and lighting conditions. Only a handful of them made it to the Super Ideal category.


Because JP has done all the filtration and selection for you, you saved all the hassle and trouble going through the same (not to mention tedious) process, you are expected to pay a "salary" to them. That is why their Super Ideal diamonds are 20-30% higher than the ordinary Ideal diamonds.

However, an honest sales exec from JP told me if I have the extra cash to splash, by all means go for the Super Ideal diamond. But if budget is a constrain, go for an Ideal diamond. This is because some diamond, just because it did not meet one single criteria for being Super Ideal, it is demoted to Ideal. In this kind of borderline cases, even those guys at JP couldn't tell if two diamonds are Super Ideal or Ideal. This has happened to me, and I was lucky.

 

[exquisite_markas]

I found a nice 0.8 HCA stone on JA the other day for a guy here. 0.5 carat. Eye clean and no alarming inclusions, no fluoro. Sadly he already placed deposit with JP* for a 0.41 ct of the same price, so cannot choose now.

But JP* stones are solid, so i'm sure it will be a happy purchase.

Lowest HCA i found on JA so far !

You can't really judge a diamond's worth based solely on the HCA score and the 10x mag of the diamond. You definitely need scopes. Many a time a 1.5 HCA stone is way better than a 0.8 if the proportions and symmetry is good.

 

[thecat21]

Although I'm not sure why crown and pavilion angles are even being brought into this discussion, that's not an accurate statement for crown and pavilion angles...

A difference of 0.5 in crown and pavilion angles is actually quite significant, as well as whether the angles are complementary. Can easily mean the difference between AGS 0 and AGS 1 in cut grading, and it can definitely be seen through a scope. E.g. using the default angles in the HCA tool of 34 crown angle and 40.5 pavilion angle (which gives a HCA score of 0.4 and Excellent grades in light return, fire, scintillation and spread), an increase of 0.5 in both to 34.5 and 41.0 gives a HCA score of 1.7 (and Excellent grades in light return and spread, but only Very Good for fire and scintillation), a decrease of 0.5 in both to 33.5 and 40 gives a HCA score of 1.8 (with Excellent grades in fire, scintillation and spread, but only Very Good for light return). Conversely, and which is why people always talk about crown and pavilion angles being complementary, if you decrease crown angle by 0.5 but increase pavilion angle by 0.5, to 33.5 and 41, HCA score is 0.9 with Excellent grades in light return, fire, scintillation and spread.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Although a 0.5 degree difference is probably a significant difference on paper, In real world scenarios where most of people aren't diamond experts or have scopes on their eyes, its really insignificant.

Ohh James Allen. You made the whole package with them??

I only bought the stone and setting. I'm now thinking of buying this complementary wedding band from JA :

You can't really judge a diamond's worth based solely on the HCA score and the 10x mag of the diamond. You definitely need scopes. Many a time a 1.5 HCA stone is way better than a 0.8 if the proportions and symmetry is good.

I use the HCA score as an elimination tool, anything above 1.5 HCA score I don't even consider further. After I saw that the stone was 0.8 HCA, I looked into the inclusions, fluoro, symmetry, idealscope and so forth.

On a side note, Is there any recommended jeweler in singapore to resize ring ? I can do with JA which costs around $75sgd including shipping but, abit troublesome to ship. Doing locally does not void JA warranty.