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Hi all, would a cavity be an issue for a D VS1 LGD Decagon from JP? AGS Report
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Hey! Cavity for a VS1 shouldn't be an issue unless its near the corners of the diamond - might want to check in with your SA on this.
Regardless, JP's QC is very strict so very unlikely they would sell a VS1 where cavity is an actual issue.
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Depends on ur other half.
Can also consider searching bluenile , bought my engagement diamond and a fancy vivid yellow long time back with them.
I belong to the camp where if waifu sees someone else wearing a diamond on the street, the only real world visible comparator 'C' is the Carat. Just a triple Ex and all dough on Carat. Blasphemy I know
Of course if ur other half has some Asset scope demands then please be a good boyfriend !
Price difference can be spent on a simple Cartier juc / love ring / band, or go holiday
Happy diamond hunting !
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Hey bros, this thread has given me a lot of help during the diamond searching phase so I want to give back! I am sure there are people like me who will see this - want to buy natural diamond, looking for a good cut but find JannPaul a little out of budget.
I ended up purchasing a diamond not from JannPaul - at the end of the day, it really depends on your budget and personal preference.
Pricing
If you want a diamond with the best cut, scope etc. and willing to pay a 1-2k premium (for 0.7ct sizing):
- JannPaul is hands down the best and there's no need to look elsewhere. Jannpaul's craftmanship is top tier and their decagons are indeed revolutionary cut that attracts even overseas buyers.
Pricing estimated for a 0.7+ct Decagon: 7.4k to 8.5k for >G color, >VS2 clarity.
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After comparing a SIC and decagon side by side, I personally don't mind a less bright diamond with chunkier fire. Thus, I decided to go for a standard 57 facets diamond.
Pricing from Jannpaul for 0.7ct SIC: 6.5k to 7k for >G color, >VS2 clarity.
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Searching for alternatives to JP
From here, my search for a Ideal Cut diamond cheaper than Jannpaul continues.
My criteria is simple: I am okay with a good, almost Ideal Cut diamond. Priority is minimal light leakage, good aset and idealscope. The store I buy from, must have all these scopes available for me to review myself too.
At this point, you should also roughly know what an ideal diamond proportion look like:
Table: 55 - 58%
Depth: 60 - 62%
Crown Angle: 34 - 35
Pavilion Angle: 40.6 - 40.9 (Inverse with Crown Angle, e.g. 35 crown angle with 40.6 Pav angle)
Slightly thin - Medium - Slightly thick facet
The above would guarantee HCA <2 BUT you still need to use scope to confirm how good the diamond is.
Why? Because GIA takes average values (e.g. maybe 1 side crown angle 34.5, the other side 35.5... average 35) > so symmetry issues can only be seen via scope
For those that value Carat > Cut and just want best color, clarity with biggest carat for budget... no need to read further
Just buy from online websites like Blue Nile, James Allen > make sure you use their advanced filtering function to get as close to the above dimensions as possible. Chances are, you would still get a decent diamond for way cheaper than local prices.
Other bros have suggested for these dropshipment model, can shortlist a few diamonds via their GIA cert number, and check if Jann Paul can bring in for you. Usually, prices will be even lower than online.
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Shops I went down to
I went down to different diamond supplier (CJ diamonds, J'diam, Jumbo etc.) and also other retailers such as Ling, Poh Kim, Canary, L'excellence , Vivo damonds, Draco diamonds etc. : Total about 10+ stores or so
When I mentioned wanting to use ASET, Idealscope etc, stores such as Canary, L'excellence, CJ diamonds reject that and said that all these tools are only marketing tools.
- I disagree, thus those were immediately out of my consideration.
- Sample diamonds in stock were also out of proportions
For Fonder Diamond, they cannot reveal GIA cert until after purchase - hence, without ASET images, I decided not to consider them as well.
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Those that use scopes like Ling and Poh Kim, they quoted me 6 - 7k for a 0.7ct, which I find too close to Jann Paul's pricing (rather buy from them)
Continue in next post ...
I ended up purchasing a diamond not from JannPaul - at the end of the day, it really depends on your budget and personal preference.
Pricing
If you want a diamond with the best cut, scope etc. and willing to pay a 1-2k premium (for 0.7ct sizing):
- JannPaul is hands down the best and there's no need to look elsewhere. Jannpaul's craftmanship is top tier and their decagons are indeed revolutionary cut that attracts even overseas buyers.
Pricing estimated for a 0.7+ct Decagon: 7.4k to 8.5k for >G color, >VS2 clarity.
- - - - - --
After comparing a SIC and decagon side by side, I personally don't mind a less bright diamond with chunkier fire. Thus, I decided to go for a standard 57 facets diamond.
Pricing from Jannpaul for 0.7ct SIC: 6.5k to 7k for >G color, >VS2 clarity.
- - - - - -
Searching for alternatives to JP
From here, my search for a Ideal Cut diamond cheaper than Jannpaul continues.
My criteria is simple: I am okay with a good, almost Ideal Cut diamond. Priority is minimal light leakage, good aset and idealscope. The store I buy from, must have all these scopes available for me to review myself too.
At this point, you should also roughly know what an ideal diamond proportion look like:
Table: 55 - 58%
Depth: 60 - 62%
Crown Angle: 34 - 35
Pavilion Angle: 40.6 - 40.9 (Inverse with Crown Angle, e.g. 35 crown angle with 40.6 Pav angle)
Slightly thin - Medium - Slightly thick facet
The above would guarantee HCA <2 BUT you still need to use scope to confirm how good the diamond is.
Why? Because GIA takes average values (e.g. maybe 1 side crown angle 34.5, the other side 35.5... average 35) > so symmetry issues can only be seen via scope
For those that value Carat > Cut and just want best color, clarity with biggest carat for budget... no need to read further
Just buy from online websites like Blue Nile, James Allen > make sure you use their advanced filtering function to get as close to the above dimensions as possible. Chances are, you would still get a decent diamond for way cheaper than local prices.
Other bros have suggested for these dropshipment model, can shortlist a few diamonds via their GIA cert number, and check if Jann Paul can bring in for you. Usually, prices will be even lower than online.
- - - - - -
Shops I went down to
I went down to different diamond supplier (CJ diamonds, J'diam, Jumbo etc.) and also other retailers such as Ling, Poh Kim, Canary, L'excellence , Vivo damonds, Draco diamonds etc. : Total about 10+ stores or so
When I mentioned wanting to use ASET, Idealscope etc, stores such as Canary, L'excellence, CJ diamonds reject that and said that all these tools are only marketing tools.
- I disagree, thus those were immediately out of my consideration.
- Sample diamonds in stock were also out of proportions
For Fonder Diamond, they cannot reveal GIA cert until after purchase - hence, without ASET images, I decided not to consider them as well.
- - - - -
Those that use scopes like Ling and Poh Kim, they quoted me 6 - 7k for a 0.7ct, which I find too close to Jann Paul's pricing (rather buy from them)
Continue in next post ...
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In the end, out of those that use scopes, I shortlisted 3 places (Note that diamonds are all triple excellent, no florescence):
Vivo diamonds:
- ~5.2k 0.7ct FVS1
Hong kong crafters, some diamonds inhouse
Out of their database, I manage to pick one with ideal proportions and they brought it in without charge.
The diamond based off the computer generated scopes are Super Ideal Cut similar to JP, but personally, scopes i took in real life seem quite different. Maybe that's the way it's supposed to be like between computer taken vs hand taken scope photos
The owner was nice but I decided not to go with them (despite it having the best scope) due to their history and my experience above.
Cert
Initial Scope
Computer generated scope
Scope that I took using my phone camera
Draco diamonds:
- ~5.35k 0.73ct FVS1
Local crafters, no in-house stones
Really love the owner, super humble and easy going. The owner and the whole experience.. hands down my favourite. Comes from design background too, so good for those that want a more meaningful and complex design! Wanted to go with them but the diamonds they have are not the most symmetrical. However, has very good brightness so will probably look good in real life still.
Part 3 below
Vivo diamonds:
- ~5.2k 0.7ct FVS1
Hong kong crafters, some diamonds inhouse
Out of their database, I manage to pick one with ideal proportions and they brought it in without charge.
The diamond based off the computer generated scopes are Super Ideal Cut similar to JP, but personally, scopes i took in real life seem quite different. Maybe that's the way it's supposed to be like between computer taken vs hand taken scope photos
The owner was nice but I decided not to go with them (despite it having the best scope) due to their history and my experience above.
Cert
Initial Scope
Computer generated scope
Scope that I took using my phone camera
Draco diamonds:
- ~5.35k 0.73ct FVS1
Local crafters, no in-house stones
Really love the owner, super humble and easy going. The owner and the whole experience.. hands down my favourite. Comes from design background too, so good for those that want a more meaningful and complex design! Wanted to go with them but the diamonds they have are not the most symmetrical. However, has very good brightness so will probably look good in real life still.
Part 3 below
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Jumbo diamonds:
- ~5.2k 0.7ct FVS1
Local crafters, in-house stones
Owner is nice and patient! They don't claim to have super ideal cut but instead, showed me 2-3 diamonds instock that they believe would meet my expectations. From there, you are welcome to use the scopes available to check for yourself.
The diamonds are not SIC, but are near ideal. I also posted the ASET and H&A scopes on other forums such as pricescope to get an opinion, and the verdict is that it's a "very nice, near H&A diamond".
Online:
Best value SIC: Whiteflash/ Brian Gavin >>> 5.2k for 0.7ct FVS2 range (after tax) >> QC closest to Jann Paul
For SIC, blue nile, james allen, michael trio charge a lot higher for those diamonds they have in stock. >> QC not as good as Jann Paul nor whiteflash
Figured you can save about 1k SGD by going for online retailers, but personally, I prefer to do everything local + setting will be cheaper.
For those bros buying loose diamonds online, heard Ling, Canary and even Draco Diamonds can set for you!
Verdict
I went with Jumbo in the end because of the diamond, as well as overall vibes of the place. I very much wanted the perfect diamond from Vivo, but personally, wasn't confident due to varying scope images.
Ultimately, if you are looking for the best best cut, Jann Paul Decagon is affordable and well known globally for that kind of quality. I was served by Avery and she was very patient and kind and helpful (+100000 for her)
However, if you are like me, looking for a good, near ideal cut, while saving 1-2K locally, you might want to check out some of the above stores. Take note that if you are not buying from Jann Paul, you would need to know roughly what you are looking for. Our bros in this forum have posted sufficient Jann Paul SIC scopes to get a sensing of the best cut.
Disclaimer
Not a paid post, just sharing my own experience over the last month. My experience is for 0.7ct natural, but if yall are buying larger diamonds or lab grown, priorities might change.
For Lab Grown, I think it's worth paying the premium to get Jann Paul purely because they have lab grown white series (e.g. decagon). Aside from the superior cutting, lab grown certification (non AGS) is not sufficiently established - a lot of effort and education needed on your end to make sure you are not getting a dud.
Happy diamond hunting! Ultimately, no "best" diamond. You decide your own non-negotiables and expectations, i am sure all girls will be very touched!
- ~5.2k 0.7ct FVS1
Local crafters, in-house stones
Owner is nice and patient! They don't claim to have super ideal cut but instead, showed me 2-3 diamonds instock that they believe would meet my expectations. From there, you are welcome to use the scopes available to check for yourself.
The diamonds are not SIC, but are near ideal. I also posted the ASET and H&A scopes on other forums such as pricescope to get an opinion, and the verdict is that it's a "very nice, near H&A diamond".
Online:
Best value SIC: Whiteflash/ Brian Gavin >>> 5.2k for 0.7ct FVS2 range (after tax) >> QC closest to Jann Paul
For SIC, blue nile, james allen, michael trio charge a lot higher for those diamonds they have in stock. >> QC not as good as Jann Paul nor whiteflash
Figured you can save about 1k SGD by going for online retailers, but personally, I prefer to do everything local + setting will be cheaper.
For those bros buying loose diamonds online, heard Ling, Canary and even Draco Diamonds can set for you!
Verdict
I went with Jumbo in the end because of the diamond, as well as overall vibes of the place. I very much wanted the perfect diamond from Vivo, but personally, wasn't confident due to varying scope images.
Ultimately, if you are looking for the best best cut, Jann Paul Decagon is affordable and well known globally for that kind of quality. I was served by Avery and she was very patient and kind and helpful (+100000 for her)
However, if you are like me, looking for a good, near ideal cut, while saving 1-2K locally, you might want to check out some of the above stores. Take note that if you are not buying from Jann Paul, you would need to know roughly what you are looking for. Our bros in this forum have posted sufficient Jann Paul SIC scopes to get a sensing of the best cut.
Disclaimer
Not a paid post, just sharing my own experience over the last month. My experience is for 0.7ct natural, but if yall are buying larger diamonds or lab grown, priorities might change.
For Lab Grown, I think it's worth paying the premium to get Jann Paul purely because they have lab grown white series (e.g. decagon). Aside from the superior cutting, lab grown certification (non AGS) is not sufficiently established - a lot of effort and education needed on your end to make sure you are not getting a dud.
Happy diamond hunting! Ultimately, no "best" diamond. You decide your own non-negotiables and expectations, i am sure all girls will be very touched!
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https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/proposal-ring-part-3.5289054/page-311#post-116518795
I also want to raise this thread from the part 3 diamond forum thread - it's worth a good read. In general, for stores in Singapore selling triple excellent, non fluorescence, there's 3 tier:
Tier 1 - aka Super Ideal Cuts
Tier 2 - aka Ideal Cuts
Tier 3 - aka Excellent Cuts
What's important here is that you know which tier you are going for, and what's a good price to pay.
Have a look at the ASETs I share in the previous post, vs ones above. Those two on the right has light leakage in the middle of the diamond (diamond table) but the ones I share in the previous post, does not. All of these diamonds would cost 5k to 6k.
At this point, we all know that JP is the gold standard for Tier 1 and for 0.7ct, range from high 6k to 8k. In fact, bulk of the bros in this forum are aiming for Tier 1 - thus there's a lot of them buying from JP.
What I am aiming for is somewhere in the Tier 2 (or slightly below tier 2) range and I am paying about 5k for it - that's a 2k price difference. There are stores out there charging Tier 2 pricing for super poor quality Tier 3 diamonds but masquerading their diamonds as Tier 1... this is what you want to avoid.
In my personal, non professional opinion, finding a well cut tier 3 diamond vs a poorly cut tier 3 diamond > the mark up in SG is miniscule but has a huge effect on diamond performance. From tier 2 to tier 1, there's also visible increased performance especially when compared side by side. But to me, that improvement is not worth a 2k mark up.
Hope these information would help those buyers who are looking for Tier 2, or top range of Tier 3 diamonds.
I also want to raise this thread from the part 3 diamond forum thread - it's worth a good read. In general, for stores in Singapore selling triple excellent, non fluorescence, there's 3 tier:
Tier 1 - aka Super Ideal Cuts
Tier 2 - aka Ideal Cuts
Tier 3 - aka Excellent Cuts
What's important here is that you know which tier you are going for, and what's a good price to pay.
Have a look at the ASETs I share in the previous post, vs ones above. Those two on the right has light leakage in the middle of the diamond (diamond table) but the ones I share in the previous post, does not. All of these diamonds would cost 5k to 6k.
At this point, we all know that JP is the gold standard for Tier 1 and for 0.7ct, range from high 6k to 8k. In fact, bulk of the bros in this forum are aiming for Tier 1 - thus there's a lot of them buying from JP.
What I am aiming for is somewhere in the Tier 2 (or slightly below tier 2) range and I am paying about 5k for it - that's a 2k price difference. There are stores out there charging Tier 2 pricing for super poor quality Tier 3 diamonds but masquerading their diamonds as Tier 1... this is what you want to avoid.
In my personal, non professional opinion, finding a well cut tier 3 diamond vs a poorly cut tier 3 diamond > the mark up in SG is miniscule but has a huge effect on diamond performance. From tier 2 to tier 1, there's also visible increased performance especially when compared side by side. But to me, that improvement is not worth a 2k mark up.
Hope these information would help those buyers who are looking for Tier 2, or top range of Tier 3 diamonds.
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Hi all, I recently put down a deposit for a ~1.1ct EVVS2 LGD decagon at Jann Paul. Was quoted 4.1k for it. The AGS number is 404051701050 (sorry, no permission to post URL) and I have also attached actual video/images from the hearts and arrows/ASET scope.
My only concern from the AGS report is that the diamond has some "needle" and "remnant cloud" but I have been told that this is normal and not a cause for concern.
Would really appreciate if anyone can provide your views on this diamond in general. Thanks!
My only concern from the AGS report is that the diamond has some "needle" and "remnant cloud" but I have been told that this is normal and not a cause for concern.
Would really appreciate if anyone can provide your views on this diamond in general. Thanks!
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This diamond is good! Your clarity grade of vvs2 is already on the high side so you don't have to worry. Usually, the cloud inclusion will only become a concern for SI - VS2 diamonds. ASET, Idealscope, H&A scopes look perfect.
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Hi guys, planning to get a sapphire gem ring w/ diamonds around it, searched on this forum for some past comments but unable any additional info other than Jannpaul, do you guys have any recommendations that's about 1.0-2.0ct, budget maybe max 8-10k?
She doesn't mind branding but definitely okay to at least look at atas brand like Tiffany/Cartier.
Edit: included budget
She doesn't mind branding but definitely okay to at least look at atas brand like Tiffany/Cartier.
Edit: included budget
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In general, recommend to bring her down to jannpaul and go through master class together. There's different diamond shapes and even gem stones nowadays, and also the bands... the chance of getting something your partner might not like is quite high.
If not, maybe can get her friends to randomly bring her to one of the ring stores in shopping malls to get her size.
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Any reviews on zcova or atelier?
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hi gurus, seek your opinion on the below LGD from JannPaul.
is there any concerns/watchouts on quality etc for the below LGD?
Round10 H&A White Series
1.108ct
Color: LG-D
Clarity: LG-VVS1
https://agslab.com/ym-vdgr/en-us/diamonds/lab-grown/404051701053/home
is there any concerns/watchouts on quality etc for the below LGD?
Round10 H&A White Series
1.108ct
Color: LG-D
Clarity: LG-VVS1
https://agslab.com/ym-vdgr/en-us/diamonds/lab-grown/404051701053/home
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hi gurus, seek your opinion on the below LGD from JannPaul.
is there any concerns/watchouts on quality etc for the below LGD?
Round10 H&A White Series
1.108ct
Color: LG-D
Clarity: LG-VVS1
https://agslab.com/ym-vdgr/en-us/diamonds/lab-grown/404051701053/home
woah !! In terms of color and clarity , its considered the top already .
The hearts and arrows taken by you is very symmetrical.
I don't see light leakages in this diamond.
Its great!!
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if its a surprise, then I suggest taking picture of her hand/ ring finger , then show it to the sales people in a jewelery store. with their years of experience, I am sure they will be able to tell. Have you tried that already with JP? by looking at your partner ring size, they will also recommend the carat weight as well.
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Did you choose the diamond already ? roughly 6 to 8 weeks if I remember correctly.
It really depends, I suggest calling them or emailing them to find out the time frame,
also like what type of diamond you need and if they have it stocks.
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may I ask how much were u quoted for this LG diamond?
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