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Just signed up 10 yr, $6k/yr.
Guaranteed return i see it is about $61-62k.
Is there a better plan out there?
 

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Unless the non-guaranteed component gives you 0% every single year, you will almost certainly be able to get much better returns than what naysayers out there are saying.

To put things into perspective, for an insurance company to give you 0% non-guaranteed returns for 10 years straight would imply that their funds are making 0% for 10 years straight. It is possible, but extremely unlikely.

If you know how to invest, e.g. buy stocks, ETFs, then it is quite likely that you beat the non-guaranteed rate provided by the company.
 

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Unless the non-guaranteed component gives you 0% every single year, you will almost certainly be able to get much better returns than what naysayers out there are saying.

To put things into perspective, for an insurance company to give you 0% non-guaranteed returns for 10 years straight would imply that their funds are making 0% for 10 years straight. It is possible, but extremely unlikely.

If you know how to invest, e.g. buy stocks, ETFs, then it is quite likely that you beat the non-guaranteed rate provided by the company.

SSB give an average 2.43% returns per year guaranteed by the Singapore Government...

Non-Guaranteed as the term implies is not guaranteed so you can huat big or did not earn anything at all...So what is confirmed is the guaranteed portion...If you put in $60k for 10 years and guaranteed to earn $1-2k, I can put $10k into SSB now and collect $2,462 worth of interest which is divided over the next 10 years twice a year...
 

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SSB give an average 2.43% returns per year guaranteed by the Singapore Government...

Non-Guaranteed as the term implies is not guaranteed so you can huat big or did not earn anything at all...So what is confirmed is the guaranteed portion...If you put in $60k for 10 years and guaranteed to earn $1-2k, I can put $10k into SSB now and collect $2,462 worth of interest which is divided over the next 10 years twice a year...

Glad you're happy with SSB.
 

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Most likely you will do better by setting up POSB Invest Saver, and set up $500 per month RSP, which is the exact same amount you are putting in now. Split the $500 between G3B and A35. If you like the "principle protected" or "guaranteed return" buzzword, you can put $400 or $500 into A35 but everyone will tell you here that it is way too conservative. $300 or $400 into G3B should be good.
 

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Most likely you will do better by setting up POSB Invest Saver, and set up $500 per month RSP, which is the exact same amount you are putting in now. Split the $500 between G3B and A35. If you like the "principle protected" or "guaranteed return" buzzword, you can put $400 or $500 into A35 but everyone will tell you here that it is way too conservative. $300 or $400 into G3B should be good.

You do know that A35 is not "principle protected" or "guaranteed return" or even Capital Guaranteed...SSB is guaranteed by the Singapore Government...$502 can be put into SSB each month...
 

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Hi there,

I have almost finished paying my premium of 15k for 5 years.
As of now the guaranteed value is only 9k as of now..
 

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Hi there,

I have almost finished paying my premium of 15k for 5 years.
As of now the guaranteed value is only 9k as of now..

so you paid 3k per yr for 5 years, and the value now is 9k? could you share the benefit illustration?
 

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You do know that A35 is not "principle protected" or "guaranteed return" or even Capital Guaranteed...SSB is guaranteed by the Singapore Government...$502 can be put into SSB each month...

It is not principle guaranteed/protected indeed. Hence if you need the funds in 1-3yrs time, SSB and bank deposit is still the safest.

A35 and MBH(investment corporate bond ETF) is still useful for retirement planning as they offer SGD bond exposure with yield to maturity at 1.5% and 2.5% respectively. Personally I allocate 15% of my retirement portfolio to MBH.
 

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https://imgur.com/a/uXSKcfN

As attached, it will likely take another 9 years to break even for non-guaranteed and another 15 years for guaranteed sum.
Kind of regretted purchasing this plan.
Recommend you using an online calculator to calculate what would be your return from today (with your current surrender value) to the projected value at maturity if you continue to pay your premium.
If you think that you can get a return better elsewhere, perhaps you should consider surrendering the plan.
It does not help to hang on to it just because you have already put your money in it.

With so many options available today, it really doesn't make sense to invest into the expensive endowment and whole-life plan. If you need coverage, just buy term and stand-alone CI/ECI etc. period.

You can easily create your SGD investment portfolio using SGD bond ETF, STI and REIT ETFs. If you want global exposure, include global/asia equities into your portfolio too. That should offer good long-term return at a low-cost.
 
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Recommend you using an online calculator to calculate what would be your return from today (with your current surrender value) to the projected value at maturity if you continue to pay your premium.
If you think that you can get a return better elsewhere, perhaps you should consider surrendering the plan.
It does not help to hang on to it just because you have already put your money in it.

With so many options available today, it really doesn't make sense to invest into the expensive endowment and whole-life plan. If you need coverage, just buy term and stand-alone CI/ECI etc. period.

You can easily create your SGD investment portfolio using SGD bond ETF, STI and REIT ETFs. If you want global exposure, include global/asia equities into your portfolio too. That should offer good long-term return at a low-cost.

My last premium will be September this month.After paying for 5 years. Will posb invest saver be a good option.
 

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My last premium will be September this month.After paying for 5 years. Will posb invest saver be a good option.

If you've already paid in that much, it's too late to quit. This endowment plan will give you back $9k if you quit now, but it is guaranteed to give you back $18k if you quit 15 years later. If you quit now and take that $9k, do you think you can turn the $9k into $18k in 15 years? You would need to generate a 4.75% return per annum to achieve that, and that's not easy unless you get yourself educated on how to invest first. And even then, even people who are great at investing, would think twice before giving up on a virtually risk free (prudential is a blue chip company with low default risk, and the policy is further insured by the SDIC. Chances of default is incredibly low) guaranteed 4.75% return with a 15 year lock-in. If you're not savvy about investing, it's better to just leave the amount there at this point. Heck, if you still insist you want to surrender it, let me know, and i'll buy the policy off you at a higher price then the surrender value.

If you wanted out, you needed to get out in year 1. It's too little too late now. Take it as a lesson learnt to never buy another endowment plan. Rule of thumb: If you meet an investment agent, and the first thing they try to sell you is an endowment or ILP, tell them to screw off. They do not have your best interests at heart.
 
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This plan can be bequest to your dependents after you passed on and the yield will be much much more.
 

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If you've already paid in that much, it's too late to quit. This endowment plan will give you back $9k if you quit now, but it is guaranteed to give you back $18k if you quit 15 years later. If you quit now and take that $9k, do you think you can turn the $9k into $18k in 15 years? You would need to generate a 4.75% return per annum to achieve that, and that's not easy unless you get yourself educated on how to invest first. And even then, even people who are great at investing, would think twice before giving up on a virtually risk free (prudential is a blue chip company with low default risk, and the policy is further insured by the SDIC. Chances of default is incredibly low) guaranteed 4.75% return with a 15 year lock-in. If you're not savvy about investing, it's better to just leave the amount there at this point. Heck, if you still insist you want to surrender it, let me know, and i'll buy the policy off you at a higher price then the surrender value.

If you wanted out, you needed to get out in year 1. It's too little too late now. Take it as a lesson learnt to never buy another endowment plan. Rule of thumb: If you meet an investment agent, and the first thing they try to sell you is an endowment or ILP, tell them to screw off. They do not have your best interests at heart.
Please dun mislead.
4.75% returns is the performance of par fund, which does not equate to your IRR.
Projected values based on 4.75% are also not guaranteed.

That said, the guaranteed value of this policy after premium payment term indeed wun lose money.
 
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