Question about cpf vc?

Darkzi0n

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Hi all,

Any ideas if the cap of $37,740 in annual contribution to CPF is a hard one? Does that mean that any VC or MC that leads to total contributions greater than $37,70 would be refunded?

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if ur employer contribute extra medisave then u can go above 37,740.

jus received by excess VC letter, and my total contribution this year is 42,266 but the excess is only 2,142 (the amount i top up to MA)

the remaining 40,124 are mandatory contributions from employer
 

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Thanks. May I know what happens to the excess mandatory contributions?

I'm asking because in Dec 2017, there was a sum of 15k paid out by my employer. I had to pay both my share and employer's share of CPF contributions. It was with this that my total CPF contributions exceeded 37,740.

CPF wrote to me saying that they would only refund the VC I made. However, since the MC paid was also from my own pocket, I felt that CPF should return that amount which exceeded total AL too.


if ur employer contribute extra medisave then u can go above 37,740.

jus received by excess VC letter, and my total contribution this year is 42,266 but the excess is only 2,142 (the amount i top up to MA)

the remaining 40,124 are mandatory contributions from employer
 

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May I know what happens to the excess mandatory contributions?
Simply ask your employer to contact CPF and arrange to correct their (the employer’s) error. Your employer has an obvious financial incentive to do that (money back to them). If there is a genuine error, and if CPF fixes it, you’ll also get some money back.

However, think carefully about whether you want this correction or not. Your employer gets to make this decision (with or without your approval), but you’re not required to ask your employer. This error means that your employer paid into your CPF accounts. Is that bad? No, that’s not bad at all (that part). Extra money is still extra money.

If you have a voluntary contribution at stake, work with the employer and CPF to make sure that voluntary contribution “sticks” and isn’t also refunded (without interest) due to this employer mistake.
 

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Thanks. So does it mean that IF our salary is above 6K, both employer and employee only pay CPF for the first 6K? For the amount above 6k, both parties do not have to pay the CPF contribution amount?
 

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So does it mean that IF our salary is above 6K, both employer and employee only pay CPF for the first 6K?
CPF distinguishes between "Ordinary Wages" and "Additional Wages."

Ordinary Wages (OW) are typically your regular monthly salary. Let's suppose your gross monthly salary is $7,500. (Let's also assume you're below age 55.)

Additional Wages (AW) include bonuses, commissions, and other variable pay elements. Let's suppose you receive a traditional $7,500 as a 13th month annual bonus, another $5,000 bonus, and a $5,000 commission.

Compulsory contributions apply to your first $6,000 of OW per month. So, in this example, you contribute 20% (20% on the first $6,000 = $1,200), and your employer contributes 17% (17% on the first $6,000 = $1,020), for a total CPF contribution (across all three accounts) of $2,220. Your take home pay is $7,500 minus $1,200 = $6,300. Your employer's contribution is above (in addition to) the $7,500. By law, that's how this is supposed to work for CPF contributions: the employer's is additional, above advertised pay, not subtracted.

OK, now let's add in the AW. Compulsory contributions are per the same percentages on the first $30,000 of AW per year (in this example at least). In this example AW totals to $17,500, less than $30,000, so the full amount is subject to compulsory contributions. You'd contribute your 20% ($3,500), and your employer tops up with their 17% ($2,975). Your take home from these bonuses and commissions is $14,000.

Now let's suppose that your employer made a mistake and actually calculated CPF contributions on the full $7,500 instead of the $6,000 cap (for OW). Over the course of the year that's $18,000 of income subject to CPF contributions that shouldn't have been. You contributed $3,600 (20% of that), and your employer topped up 17% ($3,060). Yes, in this example, your take home pay was lower than it should have been, but you got more free money from your employer, paid into your CPF accounts. If either your employer or CPF corrects this problem then you lose that extra $3,060 that your employer shouldn't have paid into your accounts. That correction hurts you, only you. You would lose that 17% top up ($3,060 of tax free income) plus the tax relief on $3,600 (since your contribution was tax free, too).

So "be careful what you wish for." If your employer finds this mistake and wants to correct it, your employer can do it, with or without your permission. It's a mistake, and mistakes can be corrected (if your employer decides to act soon enough). But you probably don't want such mistakes corrected. Don't lie, but it would be in your interest not to have this error corrected -- even if it means that some of your voluntary contribution is returned because the mistake pushed you over.

What you don't want is for this mistake to be corrected and too much of your voluntary contribution to be returned, without interest. That combination would be the worst possible outcome. So if you already know your employer is trying to correct this, get involved with CPF to make sure they don't refund what they shouldn't be refunding. But if your employer isn't trying to correct this problem, you probably don't want to suggest that they do.
 
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Sharing my experience on VC made in 2012.

On 26 Dec 2012 before 11pm I deposited 2 cheques into the branch post box – one cheque for VC to 3 accounts and another cheque for topping up of min sum and direct contribution to MA for tax relief. Because the latter was for 2 types of contribution, the Board called me on 31 Dec to clarify the contribution.

The min sum top up was credited on 8 Jan 2013 and the contribution to MA was credited on 10 Jan 2013 with $128.80 flowing to OA/SA.

The VC to 3 accounts was credited on 12 Jan 2013.

Guess what’s next?

All my 3 types of contribution received 4 working days before year end excluding date of depositing, were credited into my accounts in Jan 2013. As such I lost interest for month of Jan :s22: Note, the Board called me on 31 Dec for some clarification.

Guess what's next?
 

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Anyone who exceeded previous year's CPF Voluntary Contribution limit, got his/ her excess contributions refunded in March or later the following year?
 

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If your employer’s December contribution was credited (and credited accurately) some time ago, it’s unlikely you’re going to see a reversal at this point.
 

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If your employer’s December contribution was credited (and credited accurately) some time ago, it’s unlikely you’re going to see a reversal at this point.


Thanks BBCWatcher!
That means that by March this year there is no indication of refund, then there is no exceeding of CPF VC last year.
 
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