Question about generic Laser printer toner refills

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1) For laser printers, are all the cartridges designed in such a way that there is an opening for us to pour the powder toners? Do we need to buy refillable cartridges?
In office, we just change the whole cartridge, but for home use, I would like to economise. For inkjet printers, we need to buy refillable empty cartridges for $5 each, costing total $20. The original cartridge and some third party cartridges are not refillable.


2) I see some very cheap second hand laser printers in carousell. If the printout has vertical lines or dirt, can this problem be solved by using alcohol to clean?


3) How often do we need to change drum head?
 

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I am sick injets getting clogged up. The ink is very cheap if buy from tao bao and print on ink tank printers using draft mode. But the stupid print head is built in and cannot be cleaned and if it got clogged, the whole printer has to be discarded, then it becomes no longer economical. Plus they force us to top up all 4 tanks even though I only need to print in black. AIO is the worst. They cannot last beyond 3 years, and once they give error message, the whole printer is as good as gone case.
 

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I am sick injets getting clogged up. The ink is very cheap if buy from tao bao and print on ink tank printers using draft mode. But the stupid print head is built in and cannot be cleaned and if it got clogged, the whole printer has to be discarded, then it becomes no longer economical. Plus they force us to top up all 4 tanks even though I only need to print in black. AIO is the worst. They cannot last beyond 3 years, and once they give error message, the whole printer is as good as gone case.
I think your printers cannot last becos you used those cheap refills. at least that was my experience. 3rd party inks cause e print heads to get clogged.
 

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I am sick injets getting clogged up. The ink is very cheap if buy from tao bao and print on ink tank printers using draft mode. But the stupid print head is built in and cannot be cleaned and if it got clogged, the whole printer has to be discarded, then it becomes no longer economical. Plus they force us to top up all 4 tanks even though I only need to print in black. AIO is the worst. They cannot last beyond 3 years, and once they give error message, the whole printer is as good as gone case.
IMHO.
My Epson L350 was released in 2013. I think I had it for at least 8 or 9 years.
The printer has individual ink tank, no need to change all colors.
The printhead can be cleaned if clogged.
I use original Epson ink refill.
 

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Hi,

1) For laser printers, are all the cartridges designed in such a way that there is an opening for us to pour the powder toners? Do we need to buy refillable cartridges?
In office, we just change the whole cartridge, but for home use, I would like to economise. For inkjet printers, we need to buy refillable empty cartridges for $5 each, costing total $20. The original cartridge and some third party cartridges are not refillable.


2) I see some very cheap second hand laser printers in carousell. If the printout has vertical lines or dirt, can this problem be solved by using alcohol to clean?


3) How often do we need to change drum head?
IMHO.
You can buy remanufactured toner cartridge that are cheaper.
If you want to economized at home, you can buy a laser which has separate toner and cartridge.
Printout with vertical light, can be clean by alcohol if there is no physical damage to the drum.
Usually is 2-3 times toner cartridge to 1 time drum.
 

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Hi,

1) For laser printers, are all the cartridges designed in such a way that there is an opening for us to pour the powder toners? Do we need to buy refillable cartridges?
In office, we just change the whole cartridge, but for home use, I would like to economise. For inkjet printers, we need to buy refillable empty cartridges for $5 each, costing total $20. The original cartridge and some third party cartridges are not refillable.


2) I see some very cheap second hand laser printers in carousell. If the printout has vertical lines or dirt, can this problem be solved by using alcohol to clean?


3) How often do we need to change drum head?
Get a budget AIO ink tank printer like the canon G4010. Should solve your worries. Laser printer are for business.
I actually throw away one fine condition brother mfc 9330 cdw that i found under my block. It's expensive on toners
and electricity. I rather stick to my canon G2010 AIO ink tank.
my fuji Xerox printer printout all black. dunno what's the issue.😟


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What model is your xerox printer ?
 

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using third party toner.....
-poor quality printing....like dark spot, white spot etc.
-health hazard.....the powder will be flying around lol
-messy for refill
-cost saving

so far no issue with epson printer.... just need to clean the print head.
i think using third party ink damage the print head....

unless u re doing color laser printing.....i will just buy brand new mono laser....
 

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I have been using laser printer for over a decade with 3rd party toner as inkjet always got clogging issue on the print head. Worse laser printer was samsung mono laser using stock toner my 1st laser printer uplorry within 3 years before I have a chance to use 3rd party toner. 2nd was xerox color printer lasted 4 yrs with 3-4 times 3rd party toner change throughout the 5 years, uplorry due to wear and tear of the drum. Now using brother color laser for 2 years, 2 times 3rd party toner change. As a rule of thumb do not bulk buy cartridge toner to keep as sometime the toner will be expired if keep for too long. I have not try to refill the toner, due to the hassle and health reason if accidentally breathe in the powder.

Not sure about current inkjet tech now, and the print head clogging issue. For my family low usage of printing, laser printer is a better option. Inkjet will be a better choice if you do frequent printing almost every week.
 

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Hi,

1) For laser printers, are all the cartridges designed in such a way that there is an opening for us to pour the powder toners? Do we need to buy refillable cartridges?
In office, we just change the whole cartridge, but for home use, I would like to economise. For inkjet printers, we need to buy refillable empty cartridges for $5 each, costing total $20. The original cartridge and some third party cartridges are not refillable.


2) I see some very cheap second hand laser printers in carousell. If the printout has vertical lines or dirt, can this problem be solved by using alcohol to clean?


3) How often do we need to change drum head?

I am sick injets getting clogged up. The ink is very cheap if buy from tao bao and print on ink tank printers using draft mode. But the stupid print head is built in and cannot be cleaned and if it got clogged, the whole printer has to be discarded, then it becomes no longer economical. Plus they force us to top up all 4 tanks even though I only need to print in black. AIO is the worst. They cannot last beyond 3 years, and once they give error message, the whole printer is as good as gone case.
It looks like you print very infrequently and hence your inkjet printers clog up... the technology has not improved significantly since I last used photo printers to print out my photos in large format (A4-A3+)... basically I used to print about 2-3 times a year in large quantities 50-60 photo copies each time... each time I have to spend a lot of money using original Epson ink cartridges to unclog the print heads before I can get good prints... I was using an Epson R1800 with 8 ink tanks including a gloss optimizer... it generated really beautiful prints, better than what a photo shop could do with chemical prints - but it was an expensive and time consuming hobby...

Subsequent to that I only printed black & white documents and only very occasionally... maybe once in 2-3 months... and in hence I bought a monochrome laser printer from HP... it's the cheapest duplex monochrome laser printer at $215... it's served me well, always producing clear prints although it's started to give a faint line running vertically through the A4 page...

Bottom line is this: print very frequently like my sister does for her children's worksheets for school and tuition (1-2 times a week) - ink tank inkjet printers are more economical if you're not after the crispest print quality - it's definitely good enough on cheap 80 gsm plain paper... but print infrequently like me, avoid inkjet printers like the plague - whatever is being advertised about not clogging print heads is just false advertising... whether you use original ink or third party ink, the print head will clog... unless you can be bothered to run off test prints every day to keep the print heads clear...

Finally, cheap monochrome laser printers are so cheap ($100-200+), the price of a replacement toner cartridge maybe be up to 50% of the printer ($99-100+), so it may not be worth to replace the cartridge but just replace the whole printer... I would just buy whatever is being lelong at all the many 'sales' each year... may be more economical in the final analysis... as for third party toner, best to buy third party toner cartridges (possible only if the toner cartridge is not replaced with the drum) where you can just pop it in and use... refilling the original toner cartridge is just too much trouble and unless you have a dedicated work space to do it, the toner powder is apt to fly around and the powder is actually carcinogenic if it enters the lungs... not worth it in my opinion...

I'm currently using a HP monochrome laser printer M211d - this is without the wireless function which I don't need... currently retailing at Challenger at $199 if you're a member... standard toner cartridge at 1100 prints costs $80, while the high yield toner cartridge at 2600 prints costs $140... for a laser printer with built-in duplex, I think it's very good value and I get the famed HP laser quality prints...
 

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Get a budget AIO ink tank printer like the canon G4010. Should solve your worries. Laser printer are for business.
I actually throw away one fine condition brother mfc 9330 cdw that i found under my block. It's expensive on toners
and electricity. I rather stick to my canon G2010 AIO ink tank.

What model is your xerox printer ?
Not true that laser printers are for business... you have to Look for what fits your printing needs profile... it's matrix of device costs vs print quality vs up-time vs consumables costs...

You probably print relatively frequently and so don't get badly clogged inkjet print heads on your Canon... or you don't mind missing lines in your prints... or any combination of proportion of both outcomes...
 

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IMHO.
My Epson L350 was released in 2013. I think I had it for at least 8 or 9 years.
The printer has individual ink tank, no need to change all colors.
The printhead can be cleaned if clogged.
I use original Epson ink refill.
Cleaning of clogged print heads only works if you use original Epson ink... which can be pretty expensive if you have to clean frequently even if ink tank inks are etch cheaper than using ink cartridges... and frequent cleaning of print heads will wear out the piezoelectric print heads leading to leaking inks (which will ruin your prints), smudging, inaccurate prints, extra lines, dots, splotches etc... and the ink pads beneath which soak up the excess ink from frequent cleaning will need to be replaced... Epson printers will stop working once the system detects that those pads are full... Epson inkjet printers produces very nice prints on the correct papers but it is costly to keep it functioning at 100%... heh...
 

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sim lim square got sell OEM refillable. Why don't you buy laser printer? Brother got sell also.
The issue with these third party cartridges is that they may not always work... printer companies install a microchip on their toner cartridges to install an electronic authentication handshake between the printer and the cartridge to ensure that users buy and use only original consumables... third party cartridges must circumvent this protection which is hardware in nature and hence expensive to duplicate or fool... and even when successful, subsequent batches may not work due to the quality of the third party cartridges and the ever changing handshake that the printer manufacturer uses...
 

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I think your printers cannot last becos you used those cheap refills. at least that was my experience. 3rd party inks cause e print heads to get clogged.
Whether original or third party, inkjet printers will clog if used infrequently... just that third party inks will clog the very sensitive print heads irreversibly while original inks will allow you to clear the clogs by pushing original ink through and dissolving the dried up inks blocking the print heads at great cost...
 

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IMHO.
Cleaning of clogged print heads only works if you use original Epson ink... which can be pretty expensive if you have to clean frequently even if ink tank inks are etch cheaper than using ink cartridges... and frequent cleaning of print heads will wear out the piezoelectric print heads leading to leaking inks (which will ruin your prints), smudging, inaccurate prints, extra lines, dots, splotches etc... and the ink pads beneath which soak up the excess ink from frequent cleaning will need to be replaced... Epson printers will stop working once the system detects that those pads are full... Epson inkjet printers produces very nice prints on the correct papers but it is costly to keep it functioning at 100%... heh...
IMHO.
My printer should be 8 years old. 🤣
And I am waiting patiently for it to stop working.
 

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p225 dw.
very old set but
still using the starter toner.


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my fuji Xerox printer printout all black. dunno what's the issue.😟


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hahah i had same issue too with my previous old fuji model, too long didnt use and suddenly all black printouts and printer gets very hot
tried cleaning the drum / interior / printer head etc but of no use,
in the end just discard and buy new 1 with wifi (hp m111w) for ~$80
 
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