RAM Fault? XMP Profile Causing BlueScreens

[yxpoh1989]

RAM Fault? XMP Profile Causing BlueScreens (Solved)

Hi Gurus,

the title pretty much sums it up, but in detail, this is a new pc I got and everything is running very well until I started playing a game, to be exact, Arma 3.

I got various errors, from memory mgmt, to the nvidia windows 10, nvl....mkm.sys error.

So following a certain guide, I decided to check my hdd and ram before proceeding the DDU and GPU driver reinstall.

disk check went fine, but memory diagnostic failed on me, as in it doesn't run and show me an "eternal" black screen until I do a ctrl+alt+del before it finally restarts and loads back to windows without doing the test. Checking it up, i see a thread owner says about getting the same problem and realize it was a faulty ram.

That's when i rmb the person who setup the pc for me told me that there was this XMP profile that he enabled. Wondering if that might be, I switched it off in Bios. and wah la, the memory diagnostic tool ran fine this time and didn't show any errors.

So all gurus who managed to reach this point, is this a faulty ram? or is this just a situation where the ram couldn't take the OC profiles and is not a faulty ram at all?
Is a 3200 ram that can't take the XMP Profile a faulty ram?

Cos right now it's 2666 but the ram says its 3200.

Anyway Motherboard is Aorus M by Gigabyte and Ram being
KLEVV PREFORMANCE BOLT SERIES 3200MHZ CL16 ( 8GBx1pcs )

 

[Ah Ken]

Not faulty. I believe Gigabyte Bios not revised and updated yet. Met same issues with Gigabyte board and same exact ram as yours. But mine blue screen at the start. I did a check at CDL trading too, nothing much could solved by the tech.

Manual overclock is the only way for now until new Bios revision hopefully solve the problem.

Manual overclock at 3200 too. Played all games all is well.

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[bobozhang137]

Not faulty. Generally ryzen and rams are quite unfriendly with each other. You either get ryzen rated rams. Or just run at 2666 which is max default speed without oc. Anything above 2666 is a gamble. Which some experience problems and some do not.

 

[yxpoh1989]

Thanks for all the replies.

Actually, while waiting for the reply, i took Ah Ken's advice and actually managed to manually stabilize the ram at 3200 to the point where the memory tool black screen bug was solved. Wasn't expecting it for someone who did a crash course on it. I even used my game editor and spam lots of units to create WorldWar in a small area in Arma 3 and it works out well other than lagging out due to the sheer amt of units.. lol.. (No blue screen or game crashes)

Anyway, after seeing other advice, I did a quick FPS check and comparison using a simple mission i created (A fair experiment, saved mission used before and after reverting to 2666).

Performance was dropped by slightly 4-5fps, but still smooth and not noticeable if i didn't switch on the fps counter for steam.

Since I have never been a OC guy, I will stick with the non-OC stats.

Again, thanks for your inputs. and the trial and error for manually OCing for the 1st time was quite interesting.

PS:
Anyone with the same setup and interested in trying might want to start out with the following values:
OC Values in BIOS: 3200Mhz, DRAM V=1.45V, СLDO_VDDP=0.925V (at least it works for me )
Gigabyte Aorus M + KLEVV PREFORMANCE 3200 16GB

 

[xonix]

I had a friend with Klevv 2400 rams that refused to boot up if it populated all 4 slots on an Intel board.

 

[SGJoe86]

I too encounters the same issue with my current setup --->
Game (Forza Horizon 4) and system crashe when running DOCP profile, so gotta set it up manually. My current manual profile is from Ryzen DRAM calculator, but I still gotta boost the voltage up to 1.375V to stabilise the game; Prime95 will still fail after 6 hours, but at least game is stable for now.

To TS: DRAM 1.45V is way too high and will shorten the lifespan of your RAM. Try to work with something lower than 1.4V.

 

[yxpoh1989]

1.45v is very high voltage for ddr4

oh i see. but it didnt work at 1.40.. was i supposed to increment by 0.05v or 0.005v?
but i guess that means both mb and ram are in compatible.

 

[sunht]

Not faulty. Generally ryzen and rams are quite unfriendly with each other. You either get ryzen rated rams. Or just run at 2666 which is max default speed without oc. Anything above 2666 is a gamble. Which some experience problems and some do not.

I think his is Intel CPU

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[yxpoh1989]

I think his is Intel CPU

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nope mine is ryzen

 

[yxpoh1989]

oh yeah, also this setup or to be exact ram, was recommended to me by the shop knowing i am getting a ryzen. should i bring it up or just not bothered it since i am not going to oc it? i mean the memory diagnostic tool show that the ram is fine at normal non oc.

but just the fact they recommend it seems wrong of them.

 

[Ah Ken]

oh i see. but it didnt work at 1.40.. was i supposed to increment by 0.05v or 0.005v?
but i guess that means both mb and ram are in compatible.

All I did was to increase the dram voltage and manually overclock.

The parameters I followed exactly stated on ram stick which is 1.35V and the clocks for mine. I didn't expect yours to increase above that though.

You follow the ram parameters and still unstable?

I overclock on the gigabyte b450m ds3h board. It works very well.

 

[Ah Ken]

oh yeah, also this setup or to be exact ram, was recommended to me by the shop knowing i am getting a ryzen. should i bring it up or just not bothered it since i am not going to oc it? i mean the memory diagnostic tool show that the ram is fine at normal non oc.

but just the fact they recommend it seems wrong of them.

I believe the ram is compatible bro. The main issue seems to be from Gigabyte. Their boards for B450 are mostly Revision 1 and their bios aren't updated that much yet too. Will take sometime for the new bios to release and try again for XMP.

Meanwhile if can manual overclock, should go ahead based on the rated parameters but avoid above 1.35V

 

[yxpoh1989]

I believe the ram is compatible bro. The main issue seems to be from Gigabyte. Their boards for B450 are mostly Revision 1 and their bios aren't updated that much yet too. Will take sometime for the new bios to release and try again for XMP.

Meanwhile if can manual overclock, should go ahead based on the rated parameters but avoid above 1.35V

i see. sorry i am really new to this. and one of the sales person say that setting the xmp.profile will let the system run better so i was confused when it actually affect the memory diagnostic tool and my gaming exp.

also, what rated parameters are you talking abt?

 

[yxpoh1989]

i see. sorry i am really new to this. and one of the sales person say that setting the xmp.profile will let the system run better so i was confused when it actually affect the memory diagnostic tool and my gaming exp.

also, what rated parameters are you talking abt?

also, sorry that i am most likely not going to leave at oc'ed, but i really want to know more so i dun meet the same mistake again. like leaving the voltage too high and stuff.

 

[bobozhang137]

oh yeah, also this setup or to be exact ram, was recommended to me by the shop knowing i am getting a ryzen. should i bring it up or just not bothered it since i am not going to oc it? i mean the memory diagnostic tool show that the ram is fine at normal non oc.

but just the fact they recommend it seems wrong of them.

generally all rams above 2666mhz are quite weird when run above 2666 with ryzen. Personal experience using a ryzen 1600/1700x with a x370 aorus gaming 5 motherboard updated bios over the years.

I bought this board/1600 combo when ryzen first released. I first paired with with a 2x8gb trident z rgb 3200mhz when it first came out. 1st day i only managed to hit 2400mhz stable. A week later bios updated and i hit 2666. Take note anything above that speed would not post. It will reboot your system a few times then reset bios.

a month into ryzen release. bios updates allowed me to reach 2933 mhz. But further updates would not let me reach the 3200mhz rated speed regardless of what voltage of timings i gave it.

I then switched to a set of corsair vengence 3200mhz cause i heard that there were 2 different set of rams, or rather memory brands. hynix and samsung. So i bought a set of samung die corsair vengence 3200mhz.

The ram ran perfectly with xmp profile. 3200mhz no problems with prime/aida64 or gaming. Note that i max stress test my system for an hour. Might have crashed at 6 or 12 hours but never tested. It ran perfectly for about 6 months. Daily gaming of 3-4 hours. PUBG/CSGO/DOTA/ARMA zero problems. Then one day windows updated. My system crashed once. Then xmp just kept giving me problems after that. Randomly hanging or crashing or bios reseting. So i decided to manually overclock. Allowing me to get 3200mhz again at 1.35volts. Which crashed again after 3 months and losing all my ram timings. I gave up trying to overclock and left the voltage at default and speed 2666mhz.

Now i just bought a 16gb x 2 Trident Z Royal 3000mhz from newegg for 340sgd. Running at 2666mhz and i just satisfied with it. Yea 3200mhz gives you that extra boost in fps. But does not warrant that 2-3 hours of restarting my com, going into bios to try to overclock. Stress testing it for few minutes. Crash rinse repeat. Not worth it imo.

 

[sunht]

nope mine is ryzen

My bad. Thought you refer to Gigabyte Argus Master Z390 mobo.

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[yxpoh1989]

Haha npnp.

I guess that's fine then. But just feel quite sad that I was recommended a Ram that doesn't work well OC'ed with Ryzen....
The sales person even say that using XMP would make the system run better.
I kinda lose my confidence in their ability to recommend me stuff. lol..

 

[bobozhang137]

Haha npnp.

I guess that's fine then. But just feel quite sad that I was recommended a Ram that doesn't work well OC'ed with Ryzen....
The sales person even say that using XMP would make the system run better.
I kinda lose my confidence in their ability to recommend me stuff. lol..

i kinda wanna shed some light on this misunderstanding.

xmp is done by the companies that made the ram. Its like a profile that they tested and it runs well on most boards.

which will be the speeds and the voltage u see on the label. smth like 16-16-16-36 3200mhz 1.35v. Thats the xmp profile. but that is most probably tested on compatible boards, generally intel.

what people do to overclock. will be to slowly increase the ram speed. until it hits a problem. then pump the voltages and loosen the timings. for eg

2666mhz 1.2v no problem.
try 2933mhz 1.2v no problem
try 3000mhz 1.2v stress test crash
try 3000mhz 1.25v stress test crash
try 3000mhz 1.25v 16-18-18-38 stable
try 3200mhz 1.25v 16-18-18-38 crash
try 3200mhz 1.3v 17-18-18-38 crash
try 3200mhz 1.35v 17-18-18-38 stable.

smth like that i guess. the 16-18-18 thingy is some ram latency/timing thing that you really need to read up on. I read until my eye want come out also i dont understand. Maybe someone can explain better.

 

[Ah Ken]

i see. sorry i am really new to this. and one of the sales person say that setting the xmp.profile will let the system run better so i was confused when it actually affect the memory diagnostic tool and my gaming exp.

also, what rated parameters are you talking abt?

what bobozhang137 mentioned, 16-18-18-38 are the timings. You can set manual to those values that is on white label on the ram. Otherwise it will run on auto.

 

[twentytwoeighty]

For DDR4 the problem is usually not the RAM, but the memory traces on the mobo and the CPU memory controller that limits how fast the DDR4 can be run at. Virtually every mobo with XMP enabled auto-overvolts the memory controller so much (by like ~35% on Intel) to make the noobs believe getting DDR4-3000+ is "easy" when what really happens is they are pushing potentially unsafe voltages on the CPU.