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bert64

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Yes, I'm aware of that explanation. Just that I'm not sure is it really for DDOS prevention or is it because VPN hurts google's tracking & advertisement.
My current thinking is as follows: Google search seems free, but what google need in return is to know more info about "you". Then google can make money out of that info. Using Google without leaking any info to google is like treating google like a real free service, which is not.
Google learns about you through cookies and other tracking mechanisms, not the source address you reach google from...
If you have lots of users coming from the same source address and these users don't have existing tracking cookies, google has no way to tell if you're real users or an automated script. Google makes even less from automated scripts than they do from untracked users, as they can't even show random ads to the automated scripts.
If there's one user per address it's unlikely to be automated scripts (and even if it was, the extra load isn't worth bothering about) so google just assumes that it's not.

Once the users have tracking cookies it doesn't matter that they originate from the same address, the cookies are trackable just the same as any other. The captcha is to ensure that it's a real user and not a bot. Google couldn't care less if you use a VPN or TOR, so long as you're a real user and you let them track you.
A VPN doesn't give you any anonymity from google unless you fully clear your browser cookies, caches and history every time you use it. Aside from cookies, there are many other methods of browser fingerprinting available too.

Other services also have captchas for the same reason, cloudflare for instance.
 

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Once the users have tracking cookies it doesn't matter that they originate from the same address, the cookies are trackable just the same as any other. The captcha is to ensure that it's a real user and not a bot. Google couldn't care less if you use a VPN or TOR, so long as you're a real user and you let them track you.
A VPN doesn't give you any anonymity from google unless you fully clear your browser cookies, caches and history every time you use it. Aside from cookies, there are many other methods of browser fingerprinting available too.

Other services also have captchas for the same reason, cloudflare for instance.
I was a bit confused about this point, like if google already can have the cookie, then it should know it's "me" doing a search. Why it still show captcha upon the first search with VPN on, without clearing cookies? Google has so many servers and I only need to search a few times.

Then I realize google need a way to validate the cookies, because somebody may as well use fake cookies. So google cannot trust cookies alone if the IP is from VPN providers. Thus IP functions like a proof of real user, for Google to better draw user profile.

To me, it seems google cares more about the data it collects is accurate. And I fully agree VPN almost does nothing to prevent google from tracking.
If we talk about surveillance, isn't the know-it-all google really knows it all? Regarding whether it's evil or not, I think google is just too big for it to stay "don't be evil", but that's just my 2cents.
 
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So, so far the argument for using new WiFi6 router as main instead of the older Asus RT-AC2600 is that newer routers have better design with more security (e.g. aiprotection and maybe WPA3).

On the flip side, if my fastest devices that support WiFi6 are located upstairs where the AP would be, I think it would also make sense to put the new WiFi 6 router there right?
 

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So, so far the argument for using new WiFi6 router as main instead of the older Asus RT-AC2600 is that newer routers have better design with more security (e.g. aiprotection and maybe WPA3).

On the flip side, if my fastest devices that support WiFi6 are located upstairs where the AP would be, I think it would also make sense to put the new WiFi 6 router there right?

you summed it up well. boils down to risk appetite and use profile :)
 
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