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Not direct to SG I checked. The wolverine range not bad for that price Even with shipping add in
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Not direct to SG I checked. The wolverine range not bad for that price Even with shipping add in
The Car example is base on newspaper I've read on SG being too packed with cars. Probably you are right if you have researched on it.
Well, you could always google that there are petitions flying around and even FB sharings asking for A&W to return and people who always go other country enjoy A&W complained why SG don't have it and it's just a small example which I'm trying to bring across my point.
What I'm emphasizing is affordability with higher pay and not comparing the increment of pay to match the increase in other stuff. And you have point out 2 brick and mortar shop having different price point and side by side which makes out the convenient to walk over literally.Take a look at queensway which sell slightly cheaper RW but people didn't actually recommend them as often but always refer forumers to old Suntec RW store to try or buy because of the better service provided even though they have no promotion most of the time.
How could you compare oversea retailers compare to local brick and mortar? Can you feel the shoes via online? Can you physically check for any defects before buying it? Can you be so sure about your sizing? Yes you can argue you can ship back if there is any of the following but time and frustrations to deal with people behind a email address is always there.
If you kept insist service + assurance does not equate to premium, then why is there so many place charging people exorbitantly high price for better services ? Eg: Budget airline and SIA, both let you reach the same destination but some people are more willing to fork out the extra to have better comfort/service from SIA.
Online makes everything affordable because they don't have a shop front to maintain. But if everyone decides to purchase from online, eventually retailers will find it no point to bring in. There is a reason why luxury shops also impose so strict restriction for online purchase and some luxury brand don't sell online and only through brick and mortar shops.
You can't calculate services to price/unit. If you feel that it's better off to save the $100+ for the service and assurance given by the shop then go ahead.
And lastly, I'm not related to any retail shops or own oneand I've worked in retails and I know their mark up margins but I also know most of that go to their rentals and expenses. The profit is not as much as what you think if you actually split the pie up.
Higher population will mean a higher number of cars which in turn caused road congestion. It does not mean more Singaporeans can afford cars. Well, I'm sure you've also read that Singapore is crowded too. The trains are crowded, the malls are crowded. Does that mean Singaporeans are giving birth to more babies? NO.
You asked, and I did. I googled. This is what you called demand, "potential crowd". 18491 likes for A&W Singapore facebook. 18491/5.3million = 0.3%. Is 0.3% really considered demand? That's based on your argument that this number of people is enough for some rich guy to get the franchise rights and set up shop here. I certainly wouldn't, not for 18491 people or forum threads with less than two pages. The government DID NOT ban A&W, so you have to ask yourself why aren't they here? They were here before. According to your argument, the reason they close is because people get A&W from overseas. Wrong. There's simply no substantial demand for it. And their food isn't good. Just had it last year. Anyway, A&W isn't an apparel company. It's F&B. You can't order it online from overseas.
I know you talked about affordability. I did mention "Being financially able does not mean one should not be financially prudent". Does not mean if you can, you should. I know a managing director of a bank here. He can EASILY drive his car to work (affordability - he can well afford it) but he chooses not to (financially prudent) because of parking and ERP. The rich get richer not just because. They know how to be prudent with their money. I make no apologies to say that these are the kinds of people that I want emulate, learn from and look up to. You completely ignored my main point about purchasing power.
I cannot comment about Queensway vs Orchard as I've not read through the entire forum and I do not know how much a shoe cost at Queensway. If you can enlighten me, what is the cost difference between Queensway and Orchard? But "always refer forumers to old Suntec RW store", I think that's a bit of a stretch. I admit that I have have not read through the entire forum. But I don't remember seeing "ALWAYS" refer. I see people recommending to get RW through all sources Suntec, Orchard, Queensway and online.
You missed the essence of why I compared 2 shops side by side. Firstly is to point out that no logical person will pay $10 more when he/she can conveniently get the same item for less. Secondly when I say convenient, I mentioned that the world is getting smaller. Information is easily available, shipping is cheap if not free, communication is easy, and customer service is similar to brick and mortar shops. So if an online shop is almost the same as a brick and mortar shop. Will you logically want to spend more when the two shops are "side by side"?
No, I cannot check for any defects before buying, BUT I can ask i.e Amazon to. Which was what I recommended Mavieboy to do. This IS service.
No I cannot feel the shoe online, but I can read reviews of the shoe and know what it is made of. Same for clothes. If you know the material you want, why do you need to feel? I like Pima cotton. Cheap and soft. If it states that the top is made of Pima cotton, then it is gonna feel the same as the one you have in your closet! Same with leather. Just know what you want. I just bought 3 tops from Amazon. Pima cotton. Did I need to feel it? No. Did it feel like Pima cotton when it arrive? Yes! It's not rocket science. A leather shoe will not turn to suede after flying across the ocean.
Yes, I can be 100% sure about my sizing. As stated in my previous posts (when I recommend stuff), I emphasised that you need be sure of your sizing before you buy anything online. I know my neck, chest, hip, waist, front rise, back rise, in seams, knee, leg opening, feet width AND feet size. "What if someone doesn't know their size?" Get a measuring tape and measure your favourite jeans, pants, shorts, shirt, tee, and feet! "What if someone doesn't have a measuring tape?" Go buy one, or if you're cheap, go IKEA and take one. "What if I don't know how to use a measuring tape"? GO BACK TO SCHOOL! Measurement of products are readily available in online shops. I just bought myself two pairs of jeans online, Nudie (available at Denim Shop) and J Brand (available at Bread and Butter), without trying. I've never bought a pair from either brands before. When it came, both fit to a T! I just (1h ago) passed my friend a 7 for all Mankind (available at Bread & Butter) jeans that she ordered with me, she did not try it before. Everything based purely on measurements. Guess what? It fits to a T! Again it isn't rocket science.
"time and frustrations to deal with people behind a email address is always there". You, saying this, confirms to me that you've probably not dealt with Amazon before. I mentioned that communication is easy now. Most reputable websites have a live chat. Amazon has it 24/7. It has been nothing but EASY to chat with them. Trust me, I chat with them A LOT to get the best deals. And their customer service, which you so longed for, is HEAPS better than brick and mortar shops in Singapore. I bought something from Zara the other day at $79.90. 1 Week later, the price dropped to $49.90. Do you think they'll refund the difference? Hell NO. Amazon WILL. Nuff said!
Sir, your point about Budget VS SQ is very weird. I would assume you're comparing budget (online) vs SQ (brick and mortar shops)? Let's break it down. Budget carriers from the get go, is about being a no frills flight. You pay less because you do not check in your luggage, and you do not get f&b in the air. You also do not get in flight entertainment and you'll get narrower seats. SQ is charging a higher price because you are paying for all of that! What I'm saying is that you are comparing 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT "service/products". It's like comparing a Bata running shoe and an Asics running shoe. Both are running shoes (airlines), but people are more willing to fork out extra to have better comfort (SQ). One is made for budget and one has more technology into it, with all the perks! It's like comparing an ASOS boots to Red Wing Boots (budget vs SQ). What you should be comparing is this, SQ vs Emirates. Similar 'products' and 'service'. So you're telling me that if a ticket by Emirates cost $200 less, you'll still pay the extra for SQ when it's technically similar? I find that REALLY hard to believe.
I am comparing RW 1907 online vs RW 1907 SG. Like for like. EXACTLY the same product. I already covered the point about service and assurance from Amazon. They are similar or even better than local brick and mortar shops. So if you really want 'service and assurance' then you should be buying from Amazon. In fact, you should be seeking assurances not from the retailers, but rest in the knowledge of the quality of the product. So yes, I insist that service alone isn't worth a HUGE premium. I.e 41% premium.
You're right, if you want to spend 41% more just for "service & assurance" (which I've argued to be the same with Amazon), someone to smile at you, measure your feet and tie your shoelace, no one can stop you. I don't need people to do that for me. I'm fully capable of measuring my own feet, and tying my shoelace. If you need someone to smile at you, there's a cheaper alternative, go to church on Sundays, and let the ushers greet you warmly
Yup, they do not have a shop front to maintain. Rental is high here, so who to blame for it? Consumers? Again as I mentioned, they are earning high profits. The onus is on them to adjust prices. Take lesser profits and gain more sales. (The Royal sporting house and Sportslink example I gave). Since you claim there are reasons why luxury shops impose strict restrictions online, I would like you to state examples and reasons why. And by the way, Red Wing isn't a luxury brand. Not comparing like for like again.
"By staying offline, these labels are losing a percentage of sales to successful multibrand sites such as Net-A-Porter (CFR:VX), where $11,500 Valentino coats quickly sell out. Sales at the site rose 55 percent, to £368 million ($613 million), in 2013, according to the Daily Mail. " - Businessweek
“We don’t like [e-commerce]. I don’t care,” “We think that, for luxury, it’s not right. … Personally, I’m not interested.” - Miuccia Prada
So if your point is to say that they remain offline to help their margins is a false assumption. The FACT is, if lux brands do go e-commerce, their profits will increase. Some lux brands just don't want to that out of personal preference.
You've worked in retail, but do you know the true cost? Unless you are the one dealing with the importing, you will not see the true cost. What you see is probably the "lowest price" list you are allowed to sell at. And compared that to the retail price to get your so called "margin". The true cost is WAY WAY lower. Have you ever wondered why shops can have 50% - 70% sales? It's because even if they do, they still make profits from it. That's how low the true cost is. FACT.
Yes as mentioned, high rentals and labour cost is a factor for high prices in Singapore. You make RW sound as if they're just making ends meet. They have been around for so long, do you really think that they are just making ends meet? Who in their right mind will remain in business just to make ends meet? They are earning huge profits. I'm NOT against earning profits. But don't blame consumers for finding alternative sources because they are being priced out of the market. That's the beauty of a free and efficient market.
At the end of the day, it boils down to how you want to spend your money. No one can stop you spending 41% more. But as a forum participator, from the bottom of my heart, I think that it is very irresponsible for you to tell people to spend 41% more on the same item in a time of rising cost. Instead of telling innocent consumers to do that, why can't you call up and bug RW and tell them to lower their prices instead? You're a bit bias by attacking consumers and not retailers don't you think?
What I can do is make people more informed about what's available out there. And through this, hopefully helped someone who previously might not have been able to afford, get his/her dream shoe.
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tl;dr after first paragraph even though I've accredited you being right on your point for cars probably if you have done your research since I based just random news. And argument of babies and cars which are different entities all together.
And chill I already say I'm not looking for a debate and did not say is wrong to buy from online from the start.
Maybe you have cover this on your side but is a bit too long for me to read all but this is all I can say
And chill
I already say I'm not looking for a debate and did not say is wrong to buy from online from the start.Maybe you have cover this on your side but is a bit too long for me to read all but this is all I can say
tl;dr after first paragraph even though I've accredited you being right on your point for cars probably if you have done your research since I based just random news. And argument of babies and cars which are different entities all together.
And chill
Maybe you have cover this on your side but is a bit too long for me to read all but this is all I can say
I'm not comparing babies to cars. Please read again. I'm illustrating to you that your impression of something doesn't mean that it is a fact. Crowded roads does not mean more people can afford cars. Same with crowded streets does not mean more babies. I''m not comparing the two. We go by economic data and real figures. Not visual assumptions.
I know you did not say that it is wrong. I did not fault you in that regard.
Ppl like to buy in brick and motor stores vs online so be it, even if they like to pay more in store A vs store B so be it.
They are not using your money hurting your pocket so much wall of text? Some ppl love to be carrot just let it be.
I met ppl who will only shop when stores not on sales and dude is willing to pay full retail. In sg we still have such freedom. Such debate should be taken offline IMHO.
Such helping attitude? U forget Singaporean love to be spoonfed at all times. Want to genuinely help, u certainly be more tolerant here. If these ppl don't deserve your help, also no need to attack them? U think u help them to wake up their ideas? Grateful think again
They are not using your money hurting your pocket so much wall of text? Some ppl love to be carrot just let it be.
I met ppl who will only shop when stores not on sales and dude is willing to pay full retail. In sg we still have such freedom. Such debate should be taken offline IMHO.
Such helping attitude? U forget Singaporean love to be spoonfed at all times. Want to genuinely help, u certainly be more tolerant here. If these ppl don't deserve your help, also no need to attack them? U think u help them to wake up their ideas? Grateful think again
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Those are not USA made iirc
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Hi looking for preloved breaked in and seasoned 8130 in size 8E or 9. whatsapp me at 8-4-1-8-8-5-3-3
I agree, that this should be taken offline. I apologise for the 'long wall of text'.
"Singaporeans like to be spoonfed". So you're implying that they should be spoonfed? That's quite a ridiculous statement to make.
What is a "helping attitude"? Is there even such a thing? You mean grumpy guys can't help people?
Please enlighten me as to how I attacked him? I did say scroll back a few pages to read didn't I? And I personally went to recheck the links for him to make sure they are still working. Yes the tone of it may be harsh, but I never attacked him in anyway whatsoever. The fact is, I still helped. I'm not responsible for fragile hearts.
"Want to genuinely help". You are implying that I don't want to genuinely help? That's attacking my intentions. And that is based on what? Being harsh? You maybe a guy full of rainbows and flowers, not everyone is like that. This is how I speak in real life.
"Grateful think again". I don't need thank yous, hugs and kisses. Never did ask for any. Again, you attacked me for something I did not say or ask for.
So what's your point?
I will gladly take this private.
Saw this the other day.
Sell Authentic Red Wing 8130, Men Shoes, Fashion Singapore - STClassifieds
But it's in D not E.
Scribblemyname
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eh guys chill man. Why not fill this thread with more red wing pictures instead of online debates .
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yup! until 27 July if i'm not wrong.
the information counter is located on the same floor as red wing!
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I think you gotta to give him credit, not trying to side him or whatsoever, but the help he attributed to this thread is a lot, i manage to save almost 180bucks with his tips
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eh guys chill man. Why not fill this thread with more red wing pictures instead of online debates
just curious, if u don't mind me asking, i'd guess that you got most of your red wings in sg???
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I think you gotta to give him credit, not trying to side him or whatsoever, but the help he attributed to this thread is a lot, i manage to save almost 180bucks with his tips
I am happy u used his tips and saved!
Note I am not discrediting him from the wonderful tips on saving. Ppl like u who appreciate the tips we are happy. Ppl don't no pt pushing so hard. Just let it rest
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just curious, if u don't mind me asking, i'd guess that you got most of your red wings in sg???
Yup
For paying so much, even online 300 odds dollars without any discount, I want a perfectly fitting boots as different style having slight different sizing of maybe 0.5-1. I am a size 9 for all shoe I have and even on measurements but when I went down to try the shoe itself, size 8.5 fit me best.If you are going to buy online, I would still recommend to go down and try first regardless since paying so much for a boots you definitely want a good fitting one.
TYVM for the info!!
I think it's fine to disagree with what someone post. I'm fine if you disagree with any of the things I said in the debate. But you sir, attacked my intentions and character, not the points that I posted. Isn't it very hypocritical for you to say that I shouldn't push for something, yet at the same time, push for someone to not push so hard?
Agree. Since you will be there, you can also purchase the leather care and cleaning stuff like oils, conditioner, brushes. You can't buy those online. It's illegal to ship oils by air.
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Anyone?Open to other moc toes too, Dosent matter how worn the sole is as long as the leather has no deep scratches
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