Reduce credit card limit

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for the ocbc scams, scammers managed to take over the vic accounts including the digital token.
Once scammers can setup digital token on their own devices , they have full control of the accounts and can increase limits and add payees for eg.

this the part I dun understand. From what I read from the victims claim, the scammer can add payee, change transfer limit and transfer overseas without token or OTP.

Read Liao ball shrink. Might as well keep my moolah in my milo tin biscuit under my bed.
 

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As mentioned DBS might be unique in offering a charge limit. However, there are a couple ways you can effectively add a charge limit to another credit card:

1. Use a supplementary credit card. These generally have hard charge limits. For example, if you have a spouse/partner then you can "cross-issue" supplementary credit cards: you use his/hers, and vice versa. The primary cardholder can set a sublimit on the supplementary card within his/her credit limit.

2. Use a rechargeable wallet, such as GrabPay, then make your purchases using this wallet. This works rather well with the UOB Absolute American Express credit card as an example, or so I'm led to believe.

You can. I can vouch for that on behalf of a family member's recent direct experience. It's up to the bank and its proprietary credit authorization decisions, but there's no regulatory or legal barrier as far as I'm aware. If it weren't possible they wouldn't have overlimit fees in their price schedules, but they do — and they're very happy to levy them when the occasions occur. It's a good source of revenue/profit. UOB's overlimit fee is S$40. OCBC evidently doesn't have a separate flat fee but does add a 3% uplift based on the balance, at least in certain circumstances. The credit limit may only indirectly affect the charge limit based on whatever proprietary credit authorization algorithms the bank uses. A charge limit, on the other hand, is a hard stop.

So why have a credit limit, you might wonder. And the answer to that, for most banks anyway, is that it provides high confidence to the cardholder that charges within the credit limit will be routinely approved. But it doesn't necessarily constrain the bank. If the bank considers the cardholder to be a good credit risk at that moment (yes, often) then the bank may be very happy to approve the charge(s) above the limit — and collect the extra tribute.

Anyway, net net there's no guarantee a lower credit limit will be binding on the bank. A particular charge limit would be.

1 can’t work for my case. I’m the main user and no secondary user.

2 is interesting. Will try to fiddle with it.

If can charge above credit limit, den this thread I started is meaningless.

so means my credit limit is $10000, anyone who has my card details can charge $99999 and it will go through, just need to pay the overlimit fees? Omg
 

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1 can’t work for my case. I’m the main user and no secondary user.

2 is interesting. Will try to fiddle with it.

If can charge above credit limit, den this thread I started is meaningless.

so means my credit limit is $10000, anyone who has my card details can charge $99999 and it will go through, just need to pay the overlimit fees? Omg
While credit cards can go overlimit, it's not like the banks will let you charge $1M to a card with a $2k limit. Probably charging $3k will result in your card being suspended already.

Reducing your credit limit will still help cap the maximum that can be charged to your card.
 

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this the part I dun understand. From what I read from the victims claim, the scammer can add payee, change transfer limit and transfer overseas without token or OTP.

Read Liao ball shrink. Might as well keep my moolah in my milo tin biscuit under my bed.
i got a feeling is not the case. if not bank would be legally liable liao.
 

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this the part I dun understand. From what I read from the victims claim, the scammer can add payee, change transfer limit and transfer overseas without token or OTP.

Read Liao ball shrink. Might as well keep my moolah in my milo tin biscuit under my bed.
for OCBC to setup Digital token requires to login, then use Card Pin + SMS OTP.

Most likely the victims have provided the login credentials as well as sms otp ( They could have been in denial that they entered the otp ).
But scammers still need another factor of authentication which is the card pin. so could be also the vic set their login pin the same as the card pin.
 

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From what I read, the perpetrators first took over 2FA, by either setting up digital token or hardware token linking the account. Effectively, the account belongs to the perpetrators.
 

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Chip, mobile (such as Apple Pay), and card contactless transactions are quite secure. It sounds like you're worried about what's known as "card not present" transactions, such as online shopping and telephone orders (without Apple Pay or comparable). One way to address that concern is to avoid making card not present transactions at all. Another way is to use a "disposable virtual card number" with a fixed limit for your online and telephone purchases. It looks like the Revolut card allows you to create a disposable virtual card number, one at a time, for precisely this purpose.
 

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While credit cards can go overlimit, it's not like the banks will let you charge $1M to a card with a $2k limit. Probably charging $3k will result in your card being suspended already.

Reducing your credit limit will still help cap the maximum that can be charged to your card.
I don't know of any Singapore credit card issuer that lets you go over your limit at all (except in the yearly event when the bank forces through their annual fees), except maybe American Express.
 

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I'm not.

It's a popular credit card issued by a bank in Singapore. Since I'm not the cardholder it's not my information to disclose, but I am aware that it happened.
Sounds very vague. Wonder if it’s to do with personal circumstances of that individual rather than a card thing.

cause I can imagine someone just get the card and exceed their limit.
 

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No, not a new cardholder. Which makes sense because a new card holder is more likely to get a hard stop at his/her credit limit — but still often get whacked with an overlimit fee for the attempt.
 

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take note most online banking also allows you to transfer money from credit card to bank accounts ( or cash advance ) utilising the card credit limits.
Ya... Did a transfer once from my CC to bank account. On one National Day morning I received an sms about this "unknown" transaction and call the hotline. Only to realise that the mistake. Took 3 bill cycles to fully waive the cash advance fees, finance charges and bank interest on interest.

Human problem... :sleep:
 

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SINGAPORE - Some OCBC Bank customers who lost money in the recent SMS scams were puzzled that they did not get one-time passwords (OTPs) in SMSes sent by the bank to verify the unauthorised transactions.

One possible explanation from OCBC is that the bank's digital authentication tool to verify transactions was activated on the scammers' phones with banking details phished from victims.

Cyber-security experts said it was possible that the SMS OTPs were intercepted by malware on victims' phones, or were diverted to overseas telcos that had been hacked.

https://www.straitstimes.com/tech/tech-news/why-some-ocbc-customers-in-sms-scams-did-not-get-otps
 

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I wish those people who claimed "no OTP sms received" would reveal what phones they were using. I would be very surprised if they were using an up to date iPhone.
Last year, already got cases that SMS were hijacked. Lawrence Wong was questioned in parliament on that.
 

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i think CC is still safer than DC.

DC of money gone, banks may not be as kan cheong to recover it for you vs CC
 

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Imo, DC helps to control your spending better and far less anxiety compared to missing a cc bill payment.

maybe dc for small purchase.
Cc for big ticket ones since banks can file chargeback for u
 

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Imo, DC helps to control your spending better and far less anxiety compared to missing a cc bill payment.

maybe dc for small purchase.
Cc for big ticket ones since banks can file chargeback for u
Not exactly you can always reduce your cc limit anyway?

the thing about dc is, if money gone is gone directly from your account
 
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