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If it was not forced upon them since birth, I doubt many would chose islam if they were given a choice without pressure.

They would even need to choose whether to be a shia or sunni muslim who has killing each other since the religion's founding.

They would also need to decide whether to be 'moderate', 'authentic' or 'extremist' islam.

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Aiyoh! Please lah. That one only talk and talk but never provides scriptural evidence. Everything is taken from thin air. To read his writings, one would be better off taking a sh*t.

By constructive, we mean scriptural evidence or information from knowledgeable individuals. Please don't invite those with wild imaginative ideas. :s11:
 
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Ppl should have the freedom to believe and leave any religion they want.

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There are religions with very strict laws. They are legally bound to kill you if you leave the religion. Islam is such a religion. Countries that practice Shariah Law do commit to such punishments.

https://islamqa.info/en/20327

If a Muslim apostatizes and meets the conditions of apostasy – i.e., he is of sound mind, an adult and does that of his own free will – then his blood may be shed with impunity. He is to be executed by the Muslim ruler or by his deputy – such as the qaadi or judge, and he is not to not be washed (after death, in preparation for burial), the funeral prayer is not to be offered for him and he is not to be buried with the Muslims.

The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676)

See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180.

Thus it will be clear to you that execution of the apostate is something that is commanded by Allaah, when he commanded us to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority”

[al-Nisa’ 4:59]

And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has commanded us to execute the apostate as in the hadeeth quoted above: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”
 
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richardkong said:
There are religions with very strict laws. They are legally bound to kill you if you leave the religion. Islam is such a religion. Countries that practice Shariah Law do commit to such punishments.

https://islamqa.info/en/20327

If a Muslim apostatizes and meets the conditions of apostasy – i.e., he is of sound mind, an adult and does that of his own free will – then his blood may be shed with impunity. He is to be executed by the Muslim ruler or by his deputy – such as the qaadi or judge, and he is not to not be washed (after death, in preparation for burial), the funeral prayer is not to be offered for him and he is not to be buried with the Muslims.

The evidence that the apostate is to be executed is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2794). What is meant by religion here is Islam (i.e., whoever changes from Islam to another religion).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allaah and that I am His Messenger, except in one of three cases: a soul for a soul (i.e., in the case of murder); a married man who commits adultery; and one who leaves his religion and splits form the jamaa’ah (main group of Muslims).” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6878; Muslim, 1676)

See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 22/180.

Thus it will be clear to you that execution of the apostate is something that is commanded by Allaah, when he commanded us to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority”

[al-Nisa’ 4:59]

And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has commanded us to execute the apostate as in the hadeeth quoted above: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”
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Lol, you couldn't even reply to this previously. :o

Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ردة‎ riddah or ارتداد irtidād) is commonly defined as the conscious abandonment of Islam by a Muslim in word or through deed. It includes the act of converting to another religion, by a person who was born in a Muslim family or who had previously accepted Islam.

The definition of apostasy from Islam and its appropriate punishment(s) are controversial, and they vary among Islamic scholars and Islamic schools of thought. Apostasy in Islam may include in its scope not only the renunciation of Islam by a Muslim and the joining of another religion or becoming non-religious, but questioning or denying any "fundamental tenet or creed" of Islam such as the divinity of God, prophethood of Muhammad, or mocking God, or worshipping one or more idols. However, Muslim jurists from the early period developed legal institutions to circumvent this harsh punishment. These institutions set the standard for what counts as apostasy from Islam so high that before the 11th century practically no judgment of apostasy could be passed. The apostate term has also been used for people of religions that trace their origins to Islam, such as the Bahá'ís in Iran, but who were never actually Muslims themselves. Apostasy in Islam does not include acts against Islam or conversion to another religion that is involuntary, forced or done as concealment out of fear of persecution or during war (Taqiyya or Kitman).

Until the late 1800s, the vast majority of Islamic scholars in Madh'hab (Sunni) and Imamah (Shia) schools of jurisprudence held that for adult men, apostasy in Islam was a crime as well as a sin, an act of treason punishable with the death penalty, typically after a waiting period to allow the apostate time to repent and return to Islam. The kind of apostasy generally deemed to be punishable by the jurists was of the political kind, although there were considerable legal differences of opinion on this matter. Wael Hallaq states that "[in] a culture whose lynchpin is religion, religious principles and religious morality, apostasy is in some way equivalent to high treason in the modern nation-state." In the late 1800s, the use of criminal penalties for apostasy fell into disuse, although civil penalties were still applied. In the late 1800s, the use of criminal penalties for apostasy fell into disuse, although civil penalties were still applied.

The majority of modern Muslim scholars continue to hold the traditional view that the death penalty for apostasy is required by the two primary sources of Sharia - the Quran and the Hadiths, while others argue that the death penalty is an inappropriate punishment, inconsistent with the Qur'anic injunctions such as Q.88:21-22 or "no compulsion in religion"; and/or that it is not a general rule but it was enacted at a time when the early Muslim community faced enemies who threatened its unity, safety, and security, and needed to prevent and punish the equivalent of desertion or treason, and should be enforced only if apostasy becomes a mechanism of public disobedience and disorder (fitna). As such moderate Muslims reject such penalty. According to critics, the death penalty or other punishment for apostasy in Islam is a violation of universal human rights, and an issue of freedom of faith and conscience. Some consider apostasy in Islam to be some form of religious crime, although others do not.
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In summary of the wot above, people are still likely to be killed for apostasy in islam.

But some moderates argue against it. Sure, that's a lot of consolation.

As mentioned before anyway. Islam is the only religion which officially & continuously sanctions killing people in this time & age. Where the pious muslims go for haj, is also the same country where people are beheaded, amputated & stoned to death. Peaceful & harmonious indeed.

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Who are the Muslim babies who got the other thread locked? :s13:
 
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The fact that there are people debating on 'law' by religion is something that amused me. Religion if you choose to have one, is a guidance in life not to bind you. It is never to be imposed on others.

There is also no superior religion. It depend where this story originates. What is there to argue if you know what you believe is good for you. As long as there is nothing to impose on others to follow what you don't agree and other people practise do not affect the rest way of life, this is a free world.
 
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RobinTeoHood said:
In summary of the wot above, people are still likely to be killed for apostasy in islam.

But some moderates argue against it. Sure, that's a lot of consolation.

As mentioned before anyway. Islam is the only religion which officially & continuously sanctions killing people in this time & age. Where the pious muslims go for haj, is also the same country where people are beheaded, amputated & stoned to death. Peaceful & harmonious indeed.

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