Renouncing Islam

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constructive opinions requested, no bashing...

 

[usushi]

The Irony. This guy is Hamas leader's son.

 

[richardkong]

Got schooled by a bona fide idiot who's constantly banned?

That's a new one.

Banned because of cry babies like you. Eh, you love slaves so much huh? Tried to lie Islam doesn't support slavery but end up with pie in the face when you were shown clearly from Islamic Website that Islam not only supports slavery but it is institutionalized and even sex slaves or concubines are allowed! How damning. No wonder you butthurt.

Make fantastic claims such as the not a word of the quran has been changed only to be schooled that even Islamic scholars know such claims are false. Worse yet, the quran's most widely used version is from 1924!!!

Tried to claim Muslims created the world's first university but again shown to be false!

The tries to claim Islam treats men and women equally even after shown how women slaves are kept as concubines!

Tries to make claim that Islam is fastest growing religion but cannot provide statistics. Can only point to birth growth at most!

Tries to claim apostasy is not punishable by death but again shown the Islamic scripture and information and still deny it!!! How damning.

The fact is nothing you have said makes any sense under Islamic laws. You are pretending to whitewash everything and even going against your own religious scripture! How damning. No wonder you butthurt and make complains after complains!

Those that are interested in slavery and sex slavery in Islam should read this -
https://islamqa.info/en/10382

Those interested in apostasy laws in Islam.
https://islamqa.info/en/20327

 

[LAMtopia]

"No Jew has blown himself up in a German restaurant."

"The problem with Christians is they aren't as good as Jesus. But thank God most Muslims are better than Muhammad."

- Wafa Sultan, Muslim and Time Magazine's 2006 Top 100 influential people in the world whose power, talent or moral example is transforming the world.

 

[richardkong]

so you're saying islam is like this intolerant tribe that is willing to prosecute dissent within their own community with death? I'm not sure if that's any better...

The following is from islamqa.com, an Islamic Website.

And the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has commanded us to execute the apostate as in the hadeeth quoted above: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”

It may need some time for you to be convinced about this matter, and for you to think about it. Perhaps you think that if a person follows the truth and enters into it and embraces the one true religion which Allaah has enjoined, then we allow him to leave it quite easily whenever he wants and to utter the words of kufr (disbelief) that put him outside of Islam, so he can reject Allaah, His Messenger, His Books and His religion, and there is no punishment as deterrent, how will that affect him and others who enter the religion?

Do you not see that this would make the one true religion, that everyone should follow, like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants, and it may encourage others to forsake the truth.

Moreover, this is not someone who has never known the truth and practiced it and worshipped in accordance with it; rather this is a person who has known the truth, and practiced the religion and done the rituals of worship, so the punishment is no greater than he deserves. Moreover, such strong rulings as this are only applied to such a person whose life is no longer considered to be useful, because he knew the truth and followed the religion, then he left it and forsook it. What soul can be more evil than the soul of such a person?

In conclusion, the answer is that Allaah is the One Who revealed this religion and enjoined it. He is the One Who ruled that the one who enters it and then leaves it is to be executed. This ruling does not come from the Muslims’ ideas or suggestions. As this is the case, then we must follow the ruling of Allaah so long as we are content to accept Him as our Lord and God.

May Allaah help us and you to do that which He loves and which pleases Him. We thank you once again.

Peace be upon those who follow true guidance.
https://islamqa.info/en/20327

You can see clearly that there is no mention of treason as being a reason for the death penalty. Even then, no country on this earth kills its citizens if they migrate. The use of treason as a reason for leaving the community is illogical and a pathetic lie. This is the argument Wahhabi scholars use today to whitewash their death penalty for apostasy.

The reasons are clear in the link I provided above.

 

[F3Rm1nat0r]

there are folks leaving their religion all the time, not sure why this is newsworthy
just google leaving christianity or buddhism, there are tons of videos and documentarys

 

[oldbreadstinks]

so you're saying islam is like this intolerant tribe that is willing to prosecute dissent within their own community with death? I'm not sure if that's any better...

eh yes that's really the case if you intent to enforce islam

you cannot say no
it's yes or i'll ostracise you within the family . outsiders will use violence since you're no longer of my tribe .

you don't really need the scriptures. it's prefectly understandable , "us the faithful against the rest"
there is no halfway grey area.

a muslim can only debate with non muslims on grey areas and crossroads

if there is more than one muslim and non musim, all a hardliner needs to do is shout blashemy and the tide will turn against the moderates

it's very self evident . i've encountered it often. you can try it yourself iin chats predominantly muslim groups, just accuse any one of being a false muslim and magically they'll be attacked by hordes of people appearing to defend islam

the argument itself doesn't matter

 

[oldbreadstinks]

there are folks leaving their religion all the time, not sure why this is newsworthy
just google leaving christianity or buddhism, there are tons of videos and documentarys

chrstianity seems to be growing.

 

[usushi]

more sporeans now has no religion. which is good.

http://www.todayonline.com/singapor...es-any-religion-general-household-survey-2015

world statistics showed intelligence is inversely related to religiosity.
which is true in sg too.

"And more of the higher-educated residents were not affiliated to any religion, compared with less-educated residents. For instance, 25.8 per cent of the university graduates reported having no religious affiliations, which was higher than the 10.6 per cent among those holding below-secondary qualifications."

 

[cal127]

That thread had been going on for so long now.

If 'Muslim babies' really wanted to get it locked, it would have been done a long time ago.

Apparently richardkong wasn't just arguing and having disagreements with only Muslims in there.

Don't confuse reasonable concern with "disagreements" to bring a mod in. Mods do not know better by taking part to understand the discussion only deem and draw a line on what is offensive to them. All I notice is a reflection that's concentrated to a small demographic of (likely) Muslims that attempt to project themselves as victims and continue throwing curved balls. I see them conveniently ignore the pertinent for the sake of subjective outrage. My hope is one day, the rest of the moderate, logical and secular Muslim world sees exactly what is going on, speak up and does not cry baby or crocodile tears.

I know its hard for you but it isn't all about Muslims. It affects wherever your religious fervor brings you anywhere in this world, on any platform and just as much in the end there has been a state of apathy inside your Muslim community in general in condemning as those groups I'm referring to actually consider themselves right in their "quest" according to the hardcore teachings of your holy book. So you really need to be asking yourself which side do you belong to before you hit that report button.

 

[usushi]

Only the daft follow what their quran or bible says blindly.

Religious children are less able to distinguish fantasy from reality:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/21/children-religion-fact-fiction_n_5607009.html

 

[usushi]

Religion is like pap media, brainwashing material.

 

[richardkong]

Religion is like pap media, brainwashing material.

PAP media will kill you if you stop watching it or vote for the opposition? Your analogy is inappropriate and wrong.

Many have died and wars have been fought based on Islam's Apostasy Laws. This is no trivial matter. We are fortunate that non-Muslims have forced Muslims to forego their institutionalized slavery in the last century. We can force them to abandon their apostasy and even blasphemy laws which are closely linked.

By being ignorant or pretending such laws do not exist or even making trivial comments on such laws does not help anyone, both Muslims and non-Muslims.

We are fortunate Singapore does not allow the full brunt of Shariah Law. However, we should note that our neighbours in parts of Malaysia, Indonesia and the state of Brunei all have implemented Shariah to nearly its full intent.

 

[richardkong]

The fact that there are people debating on 'law' by religion is something that amused me. Religion if you choose to have one, is a guidance in life not to bind you. It is never to be imposed on others.

There is also no superior religion. It depend where this story originates. What is there to argue if you know what you believe is good for you. As long as there is nothing to impose on others to follow what you don't agree and other people practise do not affect the rest way of life, this is a free world.

You do know that everything you have written is contrary to what some religions preach as per their scripture, right?

 

[cal127]

Bla bla bla but you still don't have evidence nor word from mods or admins, that it was 'Muslim babies' who got the thread locked.

Ofc not just as you haven't disproven anything or have argued the points that I've made but I'm willing to put money where my mouth is within reasonable expectations and consider certain bahavioral trends that could lead to that outcome.

 

[grimfan]

The Irony. This guy is Hamas leader's son.

The irony. Switching from one irrational belief to another.

 

[richardkong]

there are folks leaving their religion all the time, not sure why this is newsworthy
just google leaving christianity or buddhism, there are tons of videos and documentarys

But Muslims love to boast that their religion is the fastest growing and only Islam has the death penalty for leaving the group. So it makes interesting discussion of their fantastic claims for which they cannot prove and for the fantastic penalty that they apply to their own members.

Reality is always astounding to those that make fantastic claims.
https://youtu.be/APVCAxF4C8Q

 

[ten_david197]

Yes, and?



Could you be a little precise and more coherent?



Show me your precedence. I'm not butthurt. Do you want me to be butthurt? Why? So you can lump us together? How old are you?

In your usual pseudo intellectual style, you've been always posting redundant WOTs just to bring across simple points.

What happened now?

Got tongue tied?

 

[cal127]

In your usual pseudo intellectual style, you've been always posting redundant WOTs just to bring across simple points.

What happened now?

Got tongue tied?

When someone tells you something and further insist their almost non-existent counter-argument is something other than proving them wrong it really tells you all you need about that person. Haven't seen a single intelligent argument by you yet. Show me how. I'm still waiting.

 

[richardkong]

You are the one who said it was 'Muslim babies' who got the thread locked, not me.

You said you are referring to a small group of Muslims but these threads do not just consist of you only.

If you are not referring to Islam as a whole and generalizing Muslims like richardkong and RobinTeoHood or whoever, then don't need to be so butthurt about it.

Since Islam allows sex slaves, is there a minimum or maximum number allowed? How many slaves did Mohd own?

Don't mind the questions. I just want to keep you on track here instead of making personal attacks continuously which the mods seem to admire and allow.