rtx 3080 vs 6900xt

[Lex1989]

Your PC so good, do what?

Now no games play, nothing to do. PC so good use for edmw meh?

 

[watzup_ken]

Your PC so good, do what?

Now no games play, nothing to do. PC so good use for edmw meh?

PC not just used for gaming only right? We can't always assume power PC is meant for games. Some people have legit hobbies/ work that is either CPU and/or, GPU intensive.

I do agree that there is no games to play. So I sold off my gaming PC which is pretty much gathering dust.

 

[Lex1989]

PC not just used for gaming only right? We can't always assume power PC is meant for games. Some people have legit hobbies/ work that is either CPU and/or, GPU intensive.

I do agree that there is no games to play. So I sold off my gaming PC which is pretty much gathering dust.

Yeah! Just curious what Johnson uses for his hobby!

 

[johnsonheng]

I hoot one set at 3.99 k
now waiting for it to be delivered

 

[johnsonheng]

cannot seem to find 2 x 64 ddr ram for desktop, or maybe i noob.

 

[Yongkit]

cannot seem to find 2 x 64 ddr ram for desktop, or maybe i noob.

I think currently you won't be able to find in any consumer motherboard that single slot can support up to 64GB memory bandwidth.

 

[watzup_ken]

I think currently you won't be able to find in any consumer motherboard that single slot can support up to 64GB memory bandwidth.

This is correct. Below is taken from the top end Gigabyte X570 and Z590 Aorus Extreme's specs. Consumer boards max out at 32GB per slot.

1. 4 x DDR4 DIMM sockets supporting up to 128 GB (32 GB single DIMM capacity) of system memory

 

[johnsonheng]

buying ram from sim lim square cheaper or from amazaon cheaper.

 

[NightRaven49]

amazon

buying ram from sim lim square cheaper or from amazaon cheaper.

amazon still cheaper, but gone are the days when 2x8gb of decently fast ram cost under $100.

 

[Clearnfc]

RTX3080 is clearly the better card. Although 6900XT is sometimes faster, 2 things stand out for RTX3080, Ray tracing and DLSS...

AMD's FS Super Res is still in its infancy.... so don't even know if games will support and what are the benefits. On the other hand DLSS has matured and more and more games supporting and results are extremely visible.

Ray tracing, well, Nvidia is clearly superior.

We don't know whats going to happen next time with new cards, but for now NVidia is clearly the better one. Not to mention mining..... RTX3080 is worth more than 6900XT.

 

[watzup_ken]

RTX3080 is clearly the better card. Although 6900XT is sometimes faster, 2 things stand out for RTX3080, Ray tracing and DLSS...

AMD's FS Super Res is still in its infancy.... so don't even know if games will support and what are the benefits. On the other hand DLSS has matured and more and more games supporting and results are extremely visible.

Ray tracing, well, Nvidia is clearly superior.

We don't know whats going to happen next time with new cards, but for now NVidia is clearly the better one. Not to mention mining..... RTX3080 is worth more than 6900XT.

Which is better is debatable, and really depends on what you want. Its clear that both cards trade blows across different titles and there is no one that stands out. At 4K resolution, Nvidia have an advantage, while at 1440p and lower, AMD's hardware scheduler generally allows them to perform better even with a weaker processor.

If its RT, then I would recommend just going for Nvidia for obvious performance advantage. But again, at EPIC/Very High graphical settings, most people won't even realise the difference between a RT and non RT scene. People realise the difference RT brings to the table when,
1. they read reviews and shown a side by side comparison,
2. they played the game before without RT and now playing the game with RT, vice versa, and the RT implementation is very obvious, i.e. Metro Exodus.

As for DLSS, there are only 50 titles with DLSS support. Its a good to have feature if you one is already using an Nvidia card and need more performance, i.e. RTX 2060. By itself, it does not make any meaningful improvement to user experience because most games run with very high FPS if you are using a RTX 3080 and at a resolution below 4K without RT. Even if you were to add another 50% FPS to that non DLSS FPS number, it generally won't make a meaningful difference. In addition, I think AMD's FSR might have a good chance of displacing DLSS if the IQ is good enough, and at the same time, easier for game developers to adopt. FSR is hardware agnostic, so game developers don't have to waste time optimising their game for a specific technology, when there is one that benefits everyone.

As to RTX 3080 worth more than RX 6900XT, that's because its highly sought after by miners. The prices are artificially propped up. If crypto is to die down, and next gen cards announced, that 3 to 4K that you spent on it may only be worth a fraction of it. The same goes for the RX 6900 XT. That's why I recommend just going for the easiest to get, and cheapest option between the 2.

 

[Clearnfc]

Which is better is debatable, and really depends on what you want. Its clear that both cards trade blows across different titles and there is no one that stands out. At 4K resolution, Nvidia have an advantage, while at 1440p and lower, AMD's hardware scheduler generally allows them to perform better even with a weaker processor.

If its RT, then I would recommend just going for Nvidia for obvious performance advantage. But again, at EPIC/Very High graphical settings, most people won't even realise the difference between a RT and non RT scene. People realise the difference RT brings to the table when,
1. they read reviews and shown a side by side comparison,
2. they played the game before without RT and now playing the game with RT, vice versa, and the RT implementation is very obvious, i.e. Metro Exodus.

As for DLSS, there are only 50 titles with DLSS support. Its a good to have feature if you one is already using an Nvidia card and need more performance, i.e. RTX 2060. By itself, it does not make any meaningful improvement to user experience because most games run with very high FPS if you are using a RTX 3080 and at a resolution below 4K without RT. Even if you were to add another 50% FPS to that non DLSS FPS number, it generally won't make a meaningful difference. In addition, I think AMD's FSR might have a good chance of displacing DLSS if the IQ is good enough, and at the same time, easier for game developers to adopt. FSR is hardware agnostic, so game developers don't have to waste time optimising their game for a specific technology, when there is one that benefits everyone.

As to RTX 3080 worth more than RX 6900XT, that's because its highly sought after by miners. The prices are artificially propped up. If crypto is to die down, and next gen cards announced, that 3 to 4K that you spent on it may only be worth a fraction of it. The same goes for the RX 6900 XT. That's why I recommend just going for the easiest to get, and cheapest option between the 2.

I am not sure if many pple will agree with your comment on DLSS FPS number, esp. for AAA titles. Of course, no doubt that most games run very well on 6900XT @ 1440p and no RT. I can understand if its 6700XT or even 6800, but do you think its acceptable that the flagship 6900XT cant run 4K and RT well?

I would say AMD needs DLSS even more because its struggling with RT. And 50% increase is a massive massive difference when you consider pre-DLSS frame rates are ~50fps....Even at 1080p, 6900XT manages just around 70fps. Even Nvdia cards struggled massively with RT. That 50% makes a big difference between playable and non-playable frame rates.

Btw, with 144Hz monitors becoming common, more and more players expect their games to run alot higher than 60fps now. So, even without RT, its is big difference between 80fps and 120fps.

 

[final1]

I am not sure if many pple will agree with your comment on DLSS FPS number, esp. for AAA titles. Of course, no doubt that most games run very well on 6900XT @ 1440p and no RT. I can understand if its 6700XT or even 6800, but do you think its acceptable that the flagship 6900XT cant run 4K and RT well?

I would say AMD needs DLSS even more because its struggling with RT. And 50% increase is a massive massive difference when you consider pre-DLSS frame rates are ~50fps....Even at 1080p, 6900XT manages just around 70fps. Even Nvdia cards struggled massively with RT. That 50% makes a big difference between playable and non-playable frame rates.

Btw, with 144Hz monitors becoming common, more and more players expect their games to run alot higher than 60fps now. So, even without RT, its is big difference between 80fps and 120fps.

To clarify, DLSS needs developers to specifically implement it in the game. So, its an extra work. Hence, why not many games support it. And, i believe most people can't tell whether RT is on or off anyway. DLSS uses AI and machine learning to achieve its effect.

As for fidelity FX SR, reports say that it will be easy to implement in games and that it will be compatible between amd or nvidia cards. So, it is likely this will see broader developer support than DLSS. Especially given that the base of radeon cards that can use the tech is quite large if you include PS5 and Xbox X systems. The tech does not use AI and machine learning. Early reports are saying a June launch for it with 50-70% improvement in FPS with RT turned on.

It could be a pretty big game changer. I am vested in a 6900 XT. If the tech works well, prices of radeon 6000 cards could go up even more.

As for mining, i read that the 3060, 3070 and 3080 cards manufactured from May onwards will be gimped.
So, that's that for miners snapping these cards up. They will have to go for the 3090 and the radeon 6000 cards. But, who knows, maybe someone will be able to 'unlock' these new 3060, 3070, 3080 cards in the future.

 

[Clearnfc]

To clarify, DLSS needs developers to specifically implement it in the game. So, its an extra work. Hence, why not many games support it. And, i believe most people can't tell whether RT is on or off anyway. DLSS uses AI and machine learning to achieve its effect.

As for fidelity FX SR, reports say that it will be easy to implement in games and that it will be compatible between amd or nvidia cards. So, it is likely this will see broader developer support than DLSS. Especially given that the base of radeon cards that can use the tech is quite large if you include PS5 and Xbox X systems. The tech does not use AI and machine learning. Early reports are saying a June launch for it with 50-70% improvement in FPS with RT turned on.

It could be a pretty big game changer. I am vested in a 6900 XT. If the tech works well, prices of radeon 6000 cards could go up even more.

As for mining, i read that the 3060, 3070 and 3080 cards manufactured from May onwards will be gimped.
So, that's that for miners snapping these cards up. They will have to go for the 3090 and the radeon 6000 cards. But, who knows, maybe someone will be able to 'unlock' these new 3060, 3070, 3080 cards in the future.

You might want to check out DLSS 2.0.....

https://amp.hothardware.com/reviews/investigating-nvidia-dlss-20-in-mechwarrior-5-and-control

 

[johnsonheng]

Any nice and reasonable price 4 k monitor to recommend

 

[watzup_ken]

I am not sure if many pple will agree with your comment on DLSS FPS number, esp. for AAA titles. Of course, no doubt that most games run very well on 6900XT @ 1440p and no RT. I can understand if its 6700XT or even 6800, but do you think its acceptable that the flagship 6900XT cant run 4K and RT well?

I would say AMD needs DLSS even more because its struggling with RT. And 50% increase is a massive massive difference when you consider pre-DLSS frame rates are ~50fps....Even at 1080p, 6900XT manages just around 70fps. Even Nvdia cards struggled massively with RT. That 50% makes a big difference between playable and non-playable frame rates.

Btw, with 144Hz monitors becoming common, more and more players expect their games to run alot higher than 60fps now. So, even without RT, its is big difference between 80fps and 120fps.

My comment on DLSS is with the assumption that RT is disabled and with most people not gaming at 4K resolution. I've highlighted this earlier. Surveys from Steam have shown that most gamers are still on 1080p and increasingly on 1440p. At both resolutions, all the high end GPUs can easily handle the game above 100, with some e-sports title hitting 400+ FPS assuming no CPU bottleneck. Now if you were to enable DLSS for these sorts of scenario, it will boost FPS for sure. But my question is for what? In my case, I am using an ultrawide 3440x1440 @ 144Hz. With V-Sync on, the framerates are locked to 144Hz. So what if on benchmarks, I can get 200 FPS with DLSS on?

I am not downplaying Nvidia here. But the truth is, just for the sake of RT and I have to shell out 3+ K for a RTX 3080 is not worth it (speaking for myself here). Its not like the current cards are handling every RT title out there without any problem. CyberPunk, Medium and Metro Exodus EE is already giving the RTX 3080 quite the beating @ 4K, even with DLSS on. The cheapest RX 6900 XT I spotted is around 2599 for a high end build, while a high end RTX 3080 will set you back by 3.2K easily. So if you do or die must have RT, then too bad, then you got to fork out the 500 to 600+ difference.

 

[watzup_ken]

Any nice and reasonable price 4 k monitor to recommend

You should share your budget.

 

[johnsonheng]

i prefer 34 inch and below
for 2 sets - ideally below 1k

 

[CRViper]

My comment on DLSS is with the assumption that RT is disabled and with most people not gaming at 4K resolution. I've highlighted this earlier. Surveys from Steam have shown that most gamers are still on 1080p and increasingly on 1440p. At both resolutions, all the high end GPUs can easily handle the game above 100, with some e-sports title hitting 400+ FPS assuming no CPU bottleneck. Now if you were to enable DLSS for these sorts of scenario, it will boost FPS for sure. But my question is for what? In my case, I am using an ultrawide 3440x1440 @ 144Hz. With V-Sync on, the framerates are locked to 144Hz. So what if on benchmarks, I can get 200 FPS with DLSS on?

I am not downplaying Nvidia here. But the truth is, just for the sake of RT and I have to shell out 3+ K for a RTX 3080 is not worth it (speaking for myself here). Its not like the current cards are handling every RT title out there without any problem. CyberPunk, Medium and Metro Exodus EE is already giving the RTX 3080 quite the beating @ 4K, even with DLSS on. The cheapest RX 6900 XT I spotted is around 2599 for a high end build, while a high end RTX 3080 will set you back by 3.2K easily. So if you do or die must have RT, then too bad, then you got to fork out the 500 to 600+ difference.

Am in the mids of planning a new build but cant get past paying the crazy prices of RTX GPU now. What you mention does strike the same note as what I am thinking. Comparing RTX vs AMD's radeon GPU, suddenly the radeon GPU makes more sense pricewise if die die want to go ahead now. The practicality of a real-world difference gaming on 1440 without RT & DLSS vs paying the extra premium doesnt seem justifiable to me currently.

With the rumoured news that AMD is coming out with their own version of DLSS, got to see if it will be able to match RTX's version.

For me likely I will just adopt a wait and see approach.. from what we know, most profitable GPU mining are only on Eth. Maybe when Eth moves to a proof-of-stake some time this year and if there are no futher GPU minable coins suddenly appearing, hopfully GPU prices will start stabalizing and going back to how it should normally be.

Needing to spend almost 2k to get a mid-tier GPU when previously it used to cost in the 600-800 range is just ridiculous now imo

 

[watzup_ken]

Am in the mids of planning a new build but cant get past paying the crazy prices of RTX GPU now. What you mention does strike the same note as what I am thinking. Comparing RTX vs AMD's radeon GPU, suddenly the radeon GPU makes more sense pricewise if die die want to go ahead now. The practicality of a real-world difference gaming on 1440 without RT & DLSS vs paying the extra premium doesnt seem justifiable to me currently.

With the rumoured news that AMD is coming out with their own version of DLSS, got to see if it will be able to match RTX's version.

For me likely I will just adopt a wait and see approach.. from what we know, most profitable GPU mining are only on Eth. Maybe when Eth moves to a proof-of-stake some time this year and if there are no futher GPU minable coins suddenly appearing, hopfully GPU prices will start stabalizing and going back to how it should normally be.

Needing to spend almost 2k to get a mid-tier GPU when previously it used to cost in the 600-800 range is just ridiculous now imo

In my opinion, I honestly don't believe AMD's FSR will be better than DLSS. However for me, if it is 70 to 80% as good, I am happy with it.

As to Ether moving to POS, I am not sure by when that transition will start and be completed. Read some news recently saying in "months", while some article mentioned 2022. So the only reason for GPU prices to drop is for cryptocurrencies to depreciate further, at least in the near future. Once it is not that profitable and over a sustained period of time, I think that is when you will see prices starting to drop.

For me, I would like to give Nvidia Ampere a shot, but availability of the cards are bad, if not severely overpriced. Given that there are pros and cons with AMD and Nvidia graphics at this time, I certainly won't want to pay 500+ bucks onwards for a feature like RTRT, for hardware that are already showing signs of strain with current generation of games. If a RX 6900 XT or 6800 XT is cheaper, I will just go for the cheapest.