RYZEN 1700 recommend

[areigh23]

Dear all,

For the next few weeks, hoping to D.I.Y AMD RYZEN System , any suggestion to make it a better system as i not using for gaming system , only for video en/transcoding

MotherB/CPU / ASROCK X370 KILLER SLI / AMD RYZEN 1700 - $728 - FM Cybermind
CPU COOLER / CORSAIR H60 - $99 - FM www.lazada.sg/corsair-hydro-series-h60-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler-678219.html
RAMs (CORSAIR LPX 2400/2X8GB) - $188 - FM Cybermind
OEM DVD DRIVE - $22 - FM Cybermind
SSD / SAMSUNG 250GB 960 EVO - $199 - FM Cybermind
HDD / SEAGATE 2TB 3.5” BARRACUDA - $112 - FM Cybermind
PSU / CORSAIR CS 750M - $163 - FM Cybermind
ATX CASING / FRACTAL DESIGN R5 BK - $159 - www.lazada.sg/fractal-design-define-r5-black-atx-casing-215200.html
WINDOWS 10 OEM - $158 - FM Cybermind
MONITOR - tbc

Total : $1828 (W/O K/B, MOUSE, GPU, MONITOR)

 

[ragnarok95]

Getting that H60 AIO for $99, you are better off with air cooler which you can find that cost lesser than $99 and yet perform at the same level.

 

[yusoffb01]

For video transcoding, just use nvidia gtx 1050. The performance is equivalent to 4x i7 (16C32T).

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/hardware-clinic-2/hardware-hevc-video-encoding-5554223.html

 

[morkutao]

optical drive not really necessary nowadays but depends on ts preferences.

os might be available cheaper from carousell/reddit.

 

[harharhar]

Getting that H60 AIO for $99, you are better off with air cooler which you can find that cost lesser than $99 and yet perform at the same level.

Unless your case has space constraint, etc... Which in this case is no. TS case of choice can fit like almost anything.

 

[ragnarok95]

Unless your case has space constraint, etc... Which in this case is no. TS case of choice can fit like almost anything.

Doesn't matter. Fact is that AIO is no better than any normal air cooler.

 

[Encrypted11]

If you getting H60, might as well use stock cooler due to limited gains. Alternatively for that price you willing to pay you can opt for a tower air cooled heat sink from Cryorig/Be quiet/ noctua etc. Noctua D14 about same price as the H60, from Amazon FSSG.

This is also a good and valid video if you put heat into AIOs for extended heavy load. Water absorbs heat slower than metal. Water retains heat longer than metal.

 

[Rashkae]

For the RAM, get 2666. Anything higher has no performance impact, but there is a difference from 2400 to 2666

 

[MacClipper]

This is also a good and valid video if you put heat into AIOs for extended heavy load. Water absorbs heat slower than metal. Water retains heat longer than metal.

Not entirely convincing.

Think there is some confusion in there about CPU temps and water temps, granted water temps will eventually affect CPU temps once the rig is in thermal equilibrium. Thermal capacity and radiative surface area can be explored deeper.

imo, a slow cooling down is also preferable if one wants to minimise cold solder issues over the long run.

 

[Encrypted11]

Not entirely convincing.

Think there is some confusion in there about CPU temps and water temps, granted water temps will eventually affect CPU temps once the rig is in thermal equilibrium. Thermal capacity and radiative surface area can be explored deeper.

imo, a slow cooling down is also preferable if one wants to minimise cold solder issues over the long run.

Fair enough, but I think the topic does provide some fair insights to address some AIO misconceptions.

 

[cravenz]

I was originally looking at the i7-7700 but have switched my focus now to the Ryzen R7 1700. Not sure there will be a big difference either way for me though as my main focus is photo editing / watching videos and that is about it, so my build if anything, would be somewhat similar to the OP's.

On the cooler, I think the 1700 comes with a stock cooler that allegedly rivals the Hyper 212 EVO (at least I think I recall reading that) so you might be able to save on that front.

 

[Encrypted11]

Maybe if frequencies are a concern, you can raise the base and boost clocks within the BIOS to stock 1700X levels.

The TDP will probably be estimated at 1700x levels which are still within reasonable levels for an 8 core chip. From the power delivery headroom standpoint, even an entry level board should handle a stock 1700/1800X's power draw.

 

[LiLAsN]

If you getting H60, might as well use stock cooler due to limited gains. Alternatively for that price you willing to pay you can opt for a tower air cooled heat sink from Cryorig/Be quiet/ noctua etc. Noctua D14 about same price as the H60, from Amazon FSSG.

This is also a good and valid video if you put heat into AIOs for extended heavy load. Water absorbs heat slower than metal. Water retains heat longer than metal.

I saw this video a while back. My head spin.
If what he says is true, then when you stop putting the CPU at load, the CPU will take a longer time to cool down as now, heat is coming from the water that is being transferred to the copper block and back to the CPU.

The way water cooling AIOs are designed is that cold water quickly rushes to cool down the block and then is out to go for a nice, well deserved cooldown from the heat it absorbed. The period of time it is exposed to cool air in the radiator is greater than when compared to the amount of time it was exposed to the CPU block.

By the time it rushes out of the radiator, it is by in theory and practice, cooled to its normal temps by the time it reaches the CPU block once again thus reaching a temperature equilibrium.

Now, unless the room is closed and hot air continues to pile up in the room, then it makes sense to see the temperature of the water continuing to rise which should be somewhat equal to the temperature increase experienced in the surroundings.

It is all thanks to the exposure to the radiator that water is cooled down quickly which in turn cools down the CPU significantly faster than if you were to cool the CPU by air since the CPU will be exposed to cold air once again.

Hope that makes sense?

 

[Encrypted11]

I saw this video a while back. My head spin.
If what he says is true, then when you stop putting the CPU at load, the CPU will take a longer time to cool down as now, heat is coming from the water that is being transferred to the copper block and back to the CPU.

The way water cooling AIOs are designed is that cold water quickly rushes to cool down the block and then is out to go for a nice, well deserved cooldown from the heat it absorbed. The period of time it is exposed to cool air in the radiator is greater than when compared to the amount of time it was exposed to the CPU block.

By the time it rushes out of the radiator, it is by in theory and practice, cooled to its normal temps by the time it reaches the CPU block once again thus reaching a temperature equilibrium.

Now, unless the room is closed and hot air continues to pile up in the room, then it makes sense to see the temperature of the water continuing to rise which should be somewhat equal to the temperature increase experienced in the surroundings.

It is all thanks to the exposure to the radiator that water is cooled down quickly which in turn cools down the CPU significantly faster than if you were to cool the CPU by air since the CPU will be exposed to cold air once again.

Hope that makes sense?

He's just trying to say most people know the first part (click bait title aside), it takes heat away from the CPU via the cold plate quickly.

However lets say hypothetically if you put say heat from 100W of CPU power draw for an hour into the coolant consistently into a 120mm rad, at a point if you remove the load you'll notice your CPU idle temps will be noticeably above ambient at a point.

Say idle temps were 30C, they go no lower than 40C after the prolonged load.

From that point to counteract this phenomenon, you can probably use a larger/thicker/denser rad so its temperature equilibrium (with the constant heat input) to let the coolant + CPU get back to ambient ish temps quicker.

In a way, it turned out that he still made abit of a point at various points of the video than being just clickbait trash, but still a good to know. .

Its still a interesting discussion for TS to consider instead of going with the general idea that AIO is always better than tower heat sink (common misconception). For the record, the stock fans of corsair AIOs are really bad in noise and they don't move a lot of air.

 

[royfrosty]

He's just trying to say most people know the first part (click bait title aside), it takes heat away from the CPU via the cold plate quickly.

However lets say hypothetically if you put say heat from 100W of CPU power draw for an hour into the coolant consistently into a 120mm rad, at a point if you remove the load you'll notice your CPU idle temps will be noticeably above ambient at a point. Say idle temps were 30C, they go no lower than 40C after the prolonged load.

From that point to counteract this phenomenon, you can probably use a larger/thicker/denser rad so its temperature equilibrium (with the constant heat input) to let the coolant + CPU get back to ambient ish temps quicker. In a way, it turned out that he still made abit of a point with the video than being just clickbait trash, but still a good to know.

Yes.

Not all of what the youtuber said is entirely true. But some of the theory he has still holds true.

Water cooling, if you are on idle or rather from cold boot start, the coolant inside the loop usually still cold. But yes, it will rise steadily when in operation.

But lets say you play a game for a couple of hours. The coolant will eventually reach equilibrium temperature. Lets say if your radiator can handle 400w of thermal output capacity. It will handle that much power, heat output and reached its equilibrium temperature.

So when after a period of loading/stress test, it will take time for it to cool down and it will reach to a temperature slightly higher than cold boot period. It can go back to cold boot temps, but it will take slightly longer time.

 

[Krabs.]

If you getting H60, might as well use stock cooler due to limited gains. Alternatively for that price you willing to pay you can opt for a tower air cooled heat sink from Cryorig/Be quiet/ noctua etc. Noctua D14 about same price as the H60, from Amazon FSSG.

This is also a good and valid video if you put heat into AIOs for extended heavy load. Water absorbs heat slower than metal. Water retains heat longer than metal.

didn't watch the youtube

but the liquid inside AIO coolers are NOT water ....... it's ethylene glycol .... it's heat absorbing capability per volume is only HALF of water
they use this chemical because evaporate slower (out the tube) over the life expectancy (3-5years)

 

[Encrypted11]

but the liquid inside AIO coolers are NOT water ....... it's ethylene glycol .... it's heat absorbing capability per volume is only HALF of water
they use this chemical because evaporate slower (out the tube) over the life expectancy (3-5years)

Thanks for clarifying. Moi said water (incorrect term) cause collectively its liquid coolant in the CLC. But thanks for the added granularity.