According to our records, this are the posts that Moderator gave warnings for:
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Hi,
Would appreciate if the moderator explain and justify why this post in particular is infracted
and/or infraction-able under the category of "Posting Misinformation Content (Unverified / Inaccurate / Debunked / Fake News / Conspiracies)".
To be clear our intention for the aforementioned post is as follows:
Firstly, we are
genuinely sharing the "bona fide" measures we took in the thread: "Those who haven't tio covid yet, how u managed to avoid it?" as TS mentioned "Can share what measures u took? Or never even bother taking measures. Just never tio means never tio?"
We can provide evidence to prove the former and that it was indeed a "bona fide" measure we took and not trolling.
Secondly, we included the use of the word
"maybe" to suggest it may or may not be clear if it was indeed attributable to the use of this drug since this is a
sharing of personal and anecdotal experience.
Thirdly, if making claims or sharing opinions that something might prevent or work for covid-19 is "infractionable" per se (by or in itself). Then, a good bulk of the posts in the same thread should also be "infracted" for consistency because we can clearly see claims ranging from using vit a c, d, e, zinc, quercetin, fruits, lemon juice, etc. None of these are HSA approved for the treatment or prevention of covid-19 and have far less clinical evidence base as compared to ivermectin.
Similarly, there are many post and threads in this forum of a similar nature, e.g claims about povidone-iodine, lian hua qing wen, juicing/blending that are allowed to persist.
This is not to suggest the former should be infracted, but it begs a few pertinent questions:
1. Are our postings being targeted by individuals from an opposing side who perceive our content to be "fake" or "any eye sore for the narrative they believe in" as evidenced by
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/mod-thoughts-there-are-two-sides.6721910/
2. By infracting our post isn't the moderator affirming and picking a side in a contentious and controversial topic? Is the moderator aware of the mounting clinical and scientific evidence of easily more than 30 peer-reviewed studies suggesting favouring the efficacy of Ivermectin in Covid-19? Is the moderator aware that the often invoked HSA advisory on ivermectin is already "dated" and has not been updated or advised on the bulk of valid peer-reviewed clinical evidence from trials and studies.
For point 1: Can we request for mods to kindly advise these "opposed" users who made such reports to put us on "ignore" mode.
For point 2: Isn't this infraction an over-reach when moderator should be neutral and not picking a side in any controversy / issue? We get labelled as "advocating" a position. But by infracting or censuring us,
isn't it in itself an act of "advocating" against something?
This is also evidenced on a fair point made by one of your moderators recently:
Please continue to report any misinformation.
But do note that this is a discussion forum and there will be many people with different views. Just because somebody have a different view doesn't mean its fake news.
We Mods are only volunteers and not the govt, I don't think you want us to be the final arbiter of truth.
You do other users a greater service if you can debunk the fake news in the threads than for us to delete / censor the threads. For blatantly False and Misleading threads like say "Biden is dead", we do dish out the points.
Just engage in a polite and civil manner thanks
Regarding official news, its very hard to be sure that what is official is true since as you pointed out Russian official say this, US official say that and Chinese officials say that, so we cannot trust these officials but you want to trust what HWZ moderators decide is true?
I do not think its reasonable for Moderators to play the role of Pofma in the forum for contentious topics.
For continuously spamming their views or provoking fight with people or trying to derail threads posting stuffs irrelevant to thread, such case are clear cut to moderate.
We do take action.
Clear cut fake news that can be verified like say "Biden is dead" or even posting old news, yes we can put a misinfo tag or simply lock the thread..
but a lot of contentious topics like say Bio labs in Ukraine or WMD in Iraq, how can moderators know for sure? this is a discussion forum, its easier for the truth to surface by letting you guys have the freedom to share and debunk instead of us deleting the thread.
Its impossible that we moderators are more to up to date on new info than all forum users.
Hope you understand that such kind of Pofma power can be very easily abused and its best not to depend on Mods to tell you what is the truth.
Thanks
With these thoughts in mind, we hope for greater clarity on your moderator's stance on such issues seeing how the evidence based surrounding ivermectin is mounting in its favour and certainly not deserving of the warning of "Posting Misinformation Content (Unverified / Inaccurate / Debunked / Fake News / Conspiracies)"
Thank you for your kind attention.
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