shocking seditious posts made by zedmaster

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In this thread: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/why-do-people-like-zedmaster-ten_david-hate-israel-so-much-5396686.html

zedmaster made the following shocking posts. Is such comments even permissible?? Its pretty scary there are ppl like zedmaster among us, advocating for peace and harmony yet hiding such dubious thoughts.
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People wanna stay or leave SG also can report?

Known as Malay Archipelago is true, Known as Asia and South east Asia too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_Archipelago

Agree Singapore doesn't belong to the Malays or Chinese or any race.
We are multi-racial country and that's that.
 
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wow didnt expected that. So may I know what is consider as seditious posts in your definition?

The Sedition Act[15] criminalizes seditious acts and speech; and the printing, publication, sale, distribution, reproduction and importation of seditious publications. The maximum penalty for a first offender is a fine of up to S$5,000 or imprisonment not exceeding three years or both, and for a subsequent offender imprisonment not exceeding five years. The court is required to forfeit any seditious publication found in an offender's possession or used in evidence at the trial, and may order that it be destroyed or otherwise disposed of.[16] No person may be convicted on the uncorroborated testimony of a single witness.[17]

As the Act defines something as seditious if it has a "seditious tendency",[18] a crucial element underpinning the offences mentioned above is the requirement to prove a seditious tendency which is defined in sections 3(1) and (2):

3.— (1) A seditious tendency is a tendency —

(a) to bring into hatred or contempt or to excite disaffection against the Government;
(b) to excite the citizens of Singapore or the residents in Singapore to attempt to procure in Singapore, the alteration, otherwise than by lawful means, of any matter as by law established;
(c) to bring into hatred or contempt or to excite disaffection against the administration of justice in Singapore;
(d) to raise discontent or disaffection amongst the citizens of Singapore or the residents in Singapore;
(e) to promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Singapore.
(2) Notwithstanding subsection (1), any act, speech, words, publication or other thing shall not be deemed to be seditious by reason only that it has a tendency —

(a) to show that the Government has been misled or mistaken in any of its measures;
(b) to point out errors or defects in the Government or the Constitution as by law established or in legislation or in the administration of justice with a view to the remedying of such errors or defects;
(c) to persuade the citizens of Singapore or the residents in Singapore to attempt to procure by lawful means the alteration of any matter in Singapore; or
(d) to point out, with a view to their removal, any matters producing or having a tendency to produce feelings of ill-will and enmity between different races or classes of the population of Singapore,
if such act, speech, words, publication or other thing has not otherwise in fact a seditious tendency.

Although this statutory definition broadly corresponds to its common law counterpart,[19] there are two key differences. First, unlike the common law offence which requires evidence of a seditious intent, an offender's intention is irrelevant under the Sedition Act,[20] and it suffices that the act possesses the requisite seditious tendency.[21] Thus, it is immaterial that the offender failed to foresee or misjudged the risk that his or her act would be seditious.[22]

Secondly, section 3(1)(e) differs from the classic common law idea of sedition because there is no requirement that the seditious tendency has to be directed against the maintenance of government. A District Court held in Public Prosecutor v. Ong Kian Cheong (2009)[23] that on a plain and literal reading, there is no suggestion that Parliament intended to embody the common law of seditious libel into section 3(1)(e).[24] Since prosecutions under the Sedition Act since 1966 have been based on section 3(1)(e), a distinctive feature of the use of the Act in the 21st century is that it has primarily been employed to deal with disruptions to racial and religious harmony.[25]
 

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Your complaint is part (e)?

(e) to promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Singapore.
 

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wow didnt expected that. So may I know what is consider as seditious posts in your definition?

Which words/sentences are considered seditious to you in the above post by zedmaster?
 

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Your complaint is part (e)?

(e) to promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Singapore.

yup obviously it is.

Which words/sentences are considered seditious to you in the above post by zedmaster?
did you went into this thread, http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/why-do-people-like-zedmaster-ten_david-hate-israel-so-much-5396686.html ?

look at the exchange between truelife772 and zedmaster
 

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Nothing seditious with that screenshot.

Go and focus on Valak Conjuring and everything will be fine :s13:
 

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A mod has already handled the thread.
I'm only responding to the quoted post when you started this thread.

Ok. Btw the 2 quoted posts are the ones that are seditious. Of course you need to read the entire thread to look the whole pic to have a better understanding of the situation.
 

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Ok. Btw the 2 quoted posts are the ones that are seditious. Of course you need to read the entire thread to look the whole pic to have a better understanding of the situation.

Ok then. Will let other mods answer you then.
 

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Another ridiculous post by zedmaster. This is purely out of his own assumption and suspicion yet he throw such groundless accusation against his own neighbor and post it here (http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/dogs-islam-5395466.html#post102003873). As according to the extract of seditious act shared by perisher, zedmaster's postings definitely came under part (e) of the act.

It's not happening in your own home.

As for me, it's happening right here at my home. My Chinese neighbour could be he who constantly insults my race and my religion.

Your complaint is part (e)?

(e) to promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Singapore.
 

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If we were to sanction these types of posts, then the others are also as guilty. These posts saying "Go back to <insert country>" are quite common but yet you only point out this one?

I have read through the thread and frankly, while his ideas may seem to be unorthodox to those not of his religion, they don't outright infringe any terms in the ToS. Other posts in the thread seem more infraction-worthy.

If you can't stand him like countless others, put him on ignore list.
 

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If we were to sanction these types of posts, then the others are also as guilty. These posts saying "Go back to <insert country>" are quite common but yet you only point out this one?

I have read through the thread and frankly, while his ideas may seem to be unorthodox to those not of his religion, they don't outright infringe any terms in the ToS. Other posts in the thread seem more infraction-worthy.

If you can't stand him like countless others, put him on ignore list.

Ok thanks for your response lyeforce. Since you said that the typical "Go back to <insert country>" posts are quite common then I accept the mod's decision.

But what about all these below?
It's not happening in your own home.

As for me, it's happening right here at my home. My Chinese neighbour could be he who constantly insults my race and my religion.

Many questions are unanswered and as such, Christians began to loose faith.

That's where Islam comes in. It has all the answers.


Why natural? Because Jesus said a bad tree will naturally produce a bad fruit.
But the majority will eventually become adults and start going into the religion, just like me.

And the converts to Islam from Christianity. They are usually matured people. That is another thing to think about.
Among the converts to Islam, a big percentage came from Christianity. This is a natural progression.
Many churches there in the US have been turned into mosques.

The churches in the US are closing down due to dwindling attendance and Muslims will quickly purchase it to turn it into a mosque for their growing population.


Yes of course I can put him on my ignore list but does doing that solve the problem of him making such posts? Definitely nope, and it will still continues. Must we wait until there is an official police report or ISD started to zoom in on edmw before any actions be taken against such seditious postings? Not to mentioned that his actions might be already afoul with part (e) of the seditious act.

Furthermore just like what i told this zedmaster before in many of the threads. Nobody in the right sense of mind nor anyone that proclaimed to be harmonious will make posts like this.By making such posts it just gonna make the situation worse by spreading hate, which eventually jeopardize many innocent ppl of his faith.
 

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Dear benbenboi89

You can't win, but there are alternative to fighting (for example move to another forum).

Regards

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Ok thanks for your response lyeforce. Since you said that the typical "Go back to <insert country>" posts are quite common then I accept the mod's decision.

But what about all these below?








Yes of course I can put him on my ignore list but does doing that solve the problem of him making such posts? Definitely nope, and it will still continues. Must we wait until there is an official police report or ISD started to zoom in on edmw before any actions be taken against such seditious postings? Not to mentioned that his actions might be already afoul with part (e) of the seditious act.

Furthermore just like what i told this zedmaster before in many of the threads. Nobody in the right sense of mind nor anyone that proclaimed to be harmonious will make posts like this.By making such posts it just gonna make the situation worse by spreading hate, which eventually jeopardize many innocent ppl of his faith.

If you feel that the person may be a threat, then you should follow up with the relevant authorities. For one thing, banning the person wouldn't do any good if you continue to perceive the person as a threat.

I can provide you with options, not recommendations.
 
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