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[[Mubiq]]

Sian Sony 55 inch TV gone case after 5 years. TV develop green lines and was advised panel is damaged and no point repairing.

Anyone can recommend good LCD TV.

 

[Kepller]

If it must be an LCD, get the Sony X90J or any other TV which have at least a VA Panel. As long as you avoid TVs with IPS Panel you're good IMO. TVs benefit a lot from high contrast ratio, and IPS panels are pathetic at contrast ratio. Your blacks will look greyish and might in some cases glow in the dark. If you watch movies with a lot of dark/night scenes, it will be difficult to see what's going on in the scene if the contrast ratio is insufficient.

If you care about Dolby Vision, avoid Samsung TVs as they do not come with Dolby Vision. At this point only Sony and LG comes with Dolby Vision.

If you're going for a low-end budget TV, consider the TCL R635 mini led TV which should be around $1000 at carousell. For the price it is a solid value TV.

If budget is not a concern or if you require a TV with the new HDMI 2.1 ports which can push 4K resolution at 120 fps, get the Sony X90J. Avoid the X900H as it has design flaws that prevents it from displaying 4K 120 fps clearly. Many Sony X900H owners have complained about the issue, you can read their complains at the AVSForum X900H owners thread. The new 2021 X90J which replaces the 2020 X900H has been reported by owners to not have this issue.

Another alternate choice would be the LG C1 OLed. It has gaming features such as G-Sync, FreeSync and VRR on top of the better picture quality than LCD, but has a chance to suffer from burn in. But as the price of the LG C1 Oled is currently at its launch MSRP price, best to wait a few weeks for it to go down to somewhere around $2100 before buying.

 

[[Mubiq]]

If it must be an LCD, get the Sony X90J or any other TV which have at least a VA Panel. As long as you avoid TVs with IPS Panel you're good IMO. TVs benefit a lot from high contrast ratio, and IPS panels are pathetic at contrast ratio. Your blacks will look greyish and might in some cases glow in the dark. If you watch movies with a lot of dark/night scenes, it will be difficult to see what's going on in the scene if the contrast ratio is insufficient.

If you care about Dolby Vision, avoid Samsung TVs as they do not come with Dolby Vision. At this point only Sony and LG comes with Dolby Vision.

If you're going for a low-end budget TV, consider the TCL R635 mini led TV which should be around $1000 at carousell. For the price it is a solid value TV.

If budget is not a concern or if you require a TV with the new HDMI 2.1 ports which can push 4K resolution at 120 fps, get the Sony X90J. Avoid the X900H as it has design flaws that prevents it from displaying 4K 120 fps clearly. Many Sony X900H owners have complained about the issue, you can read their complains at the AVSForum X900H owners thread. The new 2021 X90J which replaces the 2020 X900H has been reported by owners to not have this issue.

Another alternate choice would be the LG C1 OLed. It has gaming features such as G-Sync, FreeSync and VRR on top of the better picture quality than LCD, but has a chance to suffer from burn in. But as the price of the LG C1 Oled is currently at its launch MSRP price, best to wait a few weeks for it to go down to somewhere around $2100 before buying.

Thanks man for the long writeup. much appreciate it. I was told to avoid OLED due to new tech and could be problematic. Is ony panel these days as good as it use to be? Not sure where sony lcd TV is made in these days.

I was think of Xiaomi, Prism, how are these 2 compare to the TCL model?

 

[Kepller]

Thanks man for the long writeup. much appreciate it. I was told to avoid OLED due to new tech and could be problematic. Is ony panel these days as good as it use to be? Not sure where sony lcd TV is made in these days.

I was think of Xiaomi, Prism, how are these 2 compare to the TCL model?

I would 100% recommend that you avoid Prism. All their TVs are using IPS panels. If they were using VA panels than they might be worth a try. Do not be fooled by their ads and reviews on their website as we've seen before in many companies filtering/controlling reviews posted on their own websites. Read up on reviews in this forum and reddit, there are plenty of disgruntled Prism TV owners here. Definitely not 97% of 5 star customers.

Xiao Mi's current TV line up if I'm not wrong are using IPS panels as well so I would avoid. However their new Xiao Mi Q1 TV might be using a VA panel, though due to false advertising of HDMI 2.1 features, I can't recommend them either.

Basically for a budget TV, the TCL R635 Mini Led TV at $1000 is the best bang for buck TV you can get at the price range (this also depends if that carouseller is trustworthy). It is not worth saving $400 on a $600 Prism TV as if you have both TVs side by side, I can guarantee you that you will see a noticeable difference especially in contrast level. Not only does that particular TCL model (R635) uses a VA panel, it also features Mini LEDs which pushes contrast level further. If you look up the TV critic RTINGS site you will see that they have measured the following contrast ratio of the TCL R635 to be:
Native Contrast
5560 : 1
Contrast with local dimming (Mini LED)
10537 : 1

The Prism will look washed out in comparison with the 55" TCL R635. IPS Panels have a typical contrast ratio of 1000:1 or below. So you can imagine how much of a difference you'd notice based on the above measurements. It is basically 10x more inkier Blacks than any of the Prism TVs with IPS panels. The Prism TVs will look greyish when placed side-by-side. If you're uncomfortable with TCL, than get a 55" Samsung Q60R for $969 or Q70R for $1140 as they both feature VA panel (though in this case, go with the Q70R instead of Q60R as the Q70R has Full-Array Local Dimming which functions similarly to the TCL R635's Mini LED technology, just slightly less effective). Avoid LG's entry level LED TVs and Sony's entry level LED TVs as they both use IPS panels instead of VA.

For Sony, anything above and including the X90J, uses VA panel. X80J and below uses IPS panel so avoid at all cost. LG's entire LCD line up uses IPS so only consider their OLED TVs.

Ultimately if you're not too fussy and do not want to spend much on a TV, just avoid any TV that uses IPS panel and you'll be fine.

If you're not in a rush, I highly recommend looking up the RTINGS website. They are a professional TV reviewer with proper tools and devices which they use to measure TVs and give unbias reviews based on the measurements. You will have a more clearer understanding of what to look for in TVs: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews They can also be found on youtube.

 

[boxerfan]

Check out TCL.
C71/C81 or higher if budget allows.

 

[OHutQ85]

Hi, sorry to hi jet your thread.

Will like to ask all the expert out here..... With a budget of $1700 which TV would you all recommend? Mainly use for netflix, watch movie etc. Causal gaming.

Went to gain city and one of their promoter recommended me LG NANO80 2021 55" model at $1700+. Is this a good TV or there are better models at this price?

Thanks in advance

 

[[Mubiq]]

I would 100% recommend that you avoid Prism. All their TVs are using IPS panels. If they were using VA panels than they might be worth a try. Do not be fooled by their ads and reviews on their website as they remove all the negative reviews. Read up on reviews in this forum, there are plenty of disgruntled Prism TV owners here.

Xiao Mi's current TV line up if I'm not wrong are using IPS panels as well so I would avoid. However their new Xiao Mi Q1 TV might be using a VA panel, though due to false advertising of HDMI 2.1 features, I can't recommend them either.

Basically for a budget TV, the TCL R635 Mini Led TV at $1000 is the best bang for buck TV you can get at the price range (this also depends if that carouseller is trustworthy). It is not worth saving $400 on a $600 Prism TV as if you have both TVs side by side, I can guarantee you that you will see a noticeable difference especially in contrast level. Not only does that particular TCL model (R635) uses a VA panel, it also features Mini LEDs which pushes contrast level further. If you look up the TV critic RTINGS site you will see that they have measured the following contrast ratio of the TCL R635 to be:
Native Contrast
5560 : 1
Contrast with local dimming (Mini LED)
10537 : 1

The Prism will look washed out in comparison with the 55" TCL R635. IPS Panels have a typical contrast ratio of 1000:1 or below. So you can imagine how much of a difference you'd notice based on the above measurements. It is basically 10x more inkier Blacks than any of the Prism TVs with IPS panels. The Prism TVs will look greyish when placed side-by-side. If you're uncomfortable with TCL, than get a 55" Samsung Q60R for $969 or Q70R for $1140 as they both feature VA panel (though in this case, go with the Q70R instead of Q60R as the Q70R has Full-Array Local Dimming which functions similarly to the TCL R635's Mini LED technology, just slightly less effective). Avoid LG's entry level LED TVs and Sony's entry level LED TVs as they both use IPS panels instead of VA.

For Sony, anything above and including the X90J, uses VA panel. X80J and below uses IPS panel so avoid at all cost. LG's entire LCD line up uses IPS so only consider their OLED TVs.

Ultimately if you're not too fussy and do not want to spend much on a TV, just avoid any TV that uses IPS panel and you'll be fine.

If you're not in a rush, I highly recommend looking up the RTINGS website. They are a professional TV reviewer with proper tools and devices which they use to measure TVs and give unbias reviews based on the measurements. You will have a more clearer understanding of what to look for in TVs: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews They can also be found on youtube.

I have tried to look into the TCL r635. All places in Singapore sold out including online platform. You have any recommendations to get this TCL model?

 

[Kepller]

I have tried to look into the TCL r635. All places in Singapore told out including online platform. You have any recommendations to get this TCL model?

I've just did a quick scan, I think Qoo10 might still have the TCL R635 but before you order, best to check with the seller if they still have stock. Otherwise your next best bet would be the Samsung Q70R if you can expand your budget by $100. (It is around $1100 on carousell for the 55") Or there's the lower end TCL C617, might not be as good as the R635 since it does not have Mini LED technology, but at least it is cheaper and it seems to be using a VA Panel.

I'm guessing maybe TCL is preparing for their next batch of 2021 TVs since the R635s are all suddenly out of stock.

 

[Kepller]

Hi, sorry to hi jet your thread.

Will like to ask all the expert out here..... With a budget of $1700 which TV would you all recommend? Mainly use for netflix, watch movie etc. Causal gaming.

Went to gain city and one of their promoter recommended me LG NANO80 2021 55" model at $1700+. Is this a good TV or there are better models at this price?

Thanks in advance

Based on your use case scenario, especially since it is primarily used for netflix and movies with just light-casual gaming, it seems to be a perfect match for an LG OLED. As your budget is $1700, if you are able to stretch a little further to around $1.9K-$2K you might be able to get an LG CX 55" OLED on clearance sale. You will get gaming features such as VRR, Free Sync, and GSync and HDMI 2.1 ports that support 4K resolution at 120 fps (highly recommended to future proof your gaming needs). Plus you get all the usual advantages OLED panels have against VA and IPS panels. As you're using it for light-casual gaming, burn-in might not be a heavy risk but might still happen after 3-5 years of usage so that's something to consider if you're ok with.

If you have to stick with the $1700 budget or close to that:
1. If you can live with HDR 10 instead of Dolby Vision, get the Samsung Q70R or Q80R which were both mid-high end full-array local dimming back in 2019. They used to cost around 2.5K-3.5K back then, but now some carousellers and online 3rd party retailers are selling sets for around $1100 (Q70R 55") and $1400 (Q80R 55"). Both these TVs will give you a far better picture quality than the 2021 LG Nano series. To proof my points, look up the mentioned models here Source: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews You will notice that the LG Nano Series with their IPS panels have been measured by the calibrators to have lesser contrast ratio and inferior brightness compared to both the Q70R and Q80R.

2. Consider the Sony X9500H 55" 2020 TV, try negotiating the price of the X9500H as they are currently clearing stocks since it is a 2020 TV. It does not have the new HDMI 2.1 ports, so it will be locked to 4K at 60 fps for gaming. Outside of gaming, this TV has Dolby Vision, Great HDR Peak Brightness and a good Wide Color Gamut so your movie and netflix experience will be above average for sure. Source: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x950h

Just a heads up to avoid the 2020 Sony X9000H/X900H as they have design/hardware flaws that is unable to push 4k at 120 fps even though it has HDMI 2.1 ports. The issue also causes blurriness in the image when at 4k 120.

If you are not in a rush, the upcoming alternatives would be the following:
1. LG OLED C1 (Reports are indicating that they have a cheaper MSRP compared to the CX) So there might be a chance we see their prices drop below $2000 in a few months time once the retailers has cleared the 2020 LG CX stocks.

2. 2021 Sony X90J which has been proven by current owners to have fully working HDMI 2.1 ports. They have the gaming features that the X9500H/X950H lacks, but the X950H seems to offer a slightly better picture quality in certain scenarios. See here for a detailed breakdown comparison by the pros: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare/sony-x950h-vs-sony-x90j/1777/21562?usage=11&threshold=0.10

I strongly recommend to avoid the LG NANO/Entry Level TVs as they are all using IPS Panels.

 

[jeffong]

Sian Sony 55 inch TV gone case after 5 years. TV develop green lines and was advised panel is damaged and no point repairing.

Anyone can recommend good LCD TV.

Wish I have this problem so that I can replace my ancient Panny Plasma

 

[VideoOne2]

this i read from rtings.

Conclusion​

Between IPS and VA panels, neither technology is inherently superior to the other as they both serve different purposes. In general, IPS TVs have wide viewing angles suitable for when you want to watch the big game or your favorite show in a large seating arrangement. They're also beneficial for use as a PC monitor since the edges remain accurate if you sit up close. However, VA panels are a better choice for watching content in dark rooms, as their improved contrast allows them to display deep blacks. Choosing between the two is a series of trade-offs and qualities, so choosing the best TV for your needs depends on your usage.

 

[Kepller]

Just to add, for TVs to provide high color volume, they need to have a good combination of Contrast and Peak Brightness. As the IPS panels have poor contrast ratios, color volumes takes a huge hit as well, so colors (especially dark saturated colors) will look washed out as well as blacks when compared with a TV with a VA or OLED panel. On RTINGs we will not be able to find any IPS TVs that can achieve high color volumes and contrast. Refer to each TV's color volume section on rtings: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews

My opinion is that it's not worth sacrificing contrast and high color volume, just for a wider viewing angle. If the individual seats at the side of the TV instead of the front couch, he/she will already be viewing a very skewed image anyway, so going to such lengths with an IPS panel just for colors to not wash out when viewed at extreme angles, sacrificing the overall picture quality (contrast ratio, color volume) just for this does not seem to be a good trade. Even in that scenario though, there are better options, such as TVs like the Sony X9500H which has a VA panel with a Wide Angle Filter, this does alleviate the viewing angle issue of VA but sacrifices a bit of contrast ratio (though not as bad as IPS).

Additionally since OLEDs exists, for those with a higher budget reaching close to 2k (there might be cheaper OLEDs if you consider clearance sales), going OLED will be much more beneficial than a 1.7K IPS TV as you get the best of both worlds, excellent contrast, rich and punchy colors and wide viewing angle. See the LG OLED C1's rtings measurements: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c1-oled

If the individual wishes to use the screen more for PC Gaming with lots of static content, than VA might be better than OLED because PC users usually seats directly in front of the screen anyway, so I don't see a point sacrificing contrast and color volume going with an IPS which takes a heavy loss in picture quality than what it gives in return. The only scenario which I can think of is if the individual is a hardcore/esports gamer and demand the best response time or extreme refresh rates than a TN or IPS panel might be beneficial.

Adding to that, If we look up all the TVs per manufacturer on RTINGs you will notice there's a common trend among all of them. Within each manufacturer, you will only find IPS panels on their Entry Level series models. VA Panels are used on their mid-tier to high-tier TVs and OLEDs at the high-tier level. This is because IPS panel can't conform to the HDR standards.

There are many other sources but here's one:
The HDR display must have either a peak brightness of over 1000 cd/m2 and a black level less than 0.05 cd/m2 (a contrast ratio of at least 20,000:1) or a peak brightness of over 540 cd/m2 and a black level less than 0.0005 cd/m2 (a contrast ratio of at least 1,080,000:1).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_...e HDR display must have,at least 1,080,000:1)
This means that going IPS brings you further away from HDR picture standards than VA panels as you sacrifice contrast ratio over viewing angle. If you want both contrast and viewing angle go OLED or one of those new TVs that combines VA panels with a Wide Angle Filter. If your budget is low go VA. I can only see a reason for IPS if you are running some restaurant chain or operating a business which requires wide viewing angle and displaying of static content everyday or if you just like watching TVs from extreme angles e.g at the sides.

These are just my recommendations after research and experiences with IPS, VA and TN panels. Get feedback from more people including youtubers and rtings before making a purchase to reduce any big disappointments.

 

[boxerfan]

VA is good for TV.

For computer screen, I prefer IPS.

 

[synace]

Hi, any comparison between Sharp 4T-C60CK1X & Panasonic TH-65HX655S?

Thanks.

 

[Kepller]

I have tried to look into the TCL r635. All places in Singapore sold out including online platform. You have any recommendations to get this TCL model?

I've just checked and noticed the predecessor of the R635 is still available, so that is another alternative. At it's current price range of around $1200***, it is a good bang-for-buck TV with a VA panel and Full-Array Local Dimming. See the R625 measurements here: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/6-series-r625-2019

Build quality wise i'm not sure but based on the measurements, it beats the Samsung Q60R in terms of peak brightness and contrast but loses in other areas such as motion handling. See the Q60R measurements here: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q60-q60r-qled

The Samsung Q70R at $1100+- comes closer to the R625 in terms of peak brightness since it has a Full Array Local Dimming System unlike the Q60R which doesn't. See the Q70R measurements here: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q70-q70r-qled

The R625 is still brighter than the 2 Samsungs but in some reviews online especially Digital Trends, they noted that the local dimming algorithm on the R625 tends to deem dark details too much resulting in Black Crush so that is a con to consider.

The Q70R also seems to be a better option in terms of screen uniformity and motion handling but since it is a Samsung TV, it does not have Dolby Vision unlike the TCL.

Edit: My mistake I have noted the price incorrectly. Revised my post.

 

[questionman26]

I've just checked and noticed the predecessor of the R635 is still available, so that is also worth a consideration. At it's current price range of between $400-$500, it is a good bang-for-buck TV with a VA panel and Full-Array Local Dimming. See the measurements here: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/6-series-r625-2019 Build quality wise i'm not sure, but based on the measurements, it seems to beat the Samsung Q60R in terms of peak brightness and contrast but loses in other areas such as motion handling. It is 50% cheaper than Q60R though, and at 65" it beats the Prism pricing as well.

Hi, i am more unlucky, my KD-55X8000H last just little over 3 years. Seem a lot of good review for TCL, do you have any recommend for TCL android TV instead? Preferable <1k. because i am use to Sony android TV usage model already.

 

[Kepller]

Hi, i am more unlucky, my KD-55X8000H last just little over 3 years. Seem a lot of good review for TCL, do you have any recommend for TCL android TV instead? Preferable <1k. because i am use to Sony android TV usage model already.

Shocking to see another X8000H died. Is 3 years a typical lifespan of Sony TVs?

Sadly the TCL C & P series have not been reviewed by RTINGS since 2018 so we don't know the current 2020 models measurements:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/
According to this source the TCL P815 is using a VA panel and is running android. It lacks a full-array local dimming system but at slightly below $1000 for the 65" it is a good buy:
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/tcl_p815_2020.php
Another alternative if you do not mind not having Dolby Vision, consider the 55" Samsung Q60R which can be found slightly below $1000. See the RTINGs measurements here: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q60-q60r-qled
It does not have a full array local dimming system but it has good contrast ratio and has Quantum Dot Filter for a wide color gamut.

Between the TCL P815 and the Samsung Q60R, since the TCL P815 does not seem to have a Quantum Dot Filter, it is safe to assume that it does not a have a wide color gamut. So the Q60R will win in color output and overall picture quality. The TCL P815 supports Dolby Vision while the Q60R does not. Size wise, it is around $900++ for the 65" TCL P815 and 55" Q60R. So you're getting a larger screen if you sacrifice picture quality in terms of color output and potentially other unknowns since RTING did not measure the P815.

Another alternative which some of the other forumers have mention is the TCL C716 55". The price range is slightly above $1000, you get a VA panel with quantum dot filter for a wide color gamut. But at this price range, the Q70R with its quantum dot filter and a full array local dimming system which the C716 lacks, is a much better option at around $1100+-. Just note that all Samsung TVs, do not have support for Dolby Vision.

Ultimately as the Q60R and TCL P815 are both VA panels, it is a definite that you will at least have a TV that can produce a decent contrast ratio, resulting in deeper blacks and richer saturated dark colors, when compared with the entire Prism TV lineup (since they all use IPS panels). I have not found any data on Xiao Mi TVs yet, so I do not know if they use IPS or VA, but if they use IPS panels I would avoid.

 

[Kepller]

Hi, any comparison between Sharp 4T-C60CK1X & Panasonic TH-65HX655S?

Thanks.

I can't seem to find any data on the Sharp. That particular Panasonic model seems to be using an IPS panel since they are advertising it to have a wide viewing angle but this is just an assumption. There's no mention about any wide angle filter or it's panel type on their spec sheet. Best to contact the 2 manufacturers via their support line and ask them if it is IPS or VA. Get the one which has a VA panel. If they are both VA panels and at the same price, the larger size of the Panasonic seems to be a win as other than the size, they both seem to have similar specs. Both are direct led with no local dimming feature.

Feature wise, the Panasonic seems to be better as it has chromecast built in. There's no mention of this in Sharp's spec sheet. Sharp supports both HLG and HDR 10 while Panasonic only supports HDR 10. Neither have support for the more commonly adopted Dolby Vision.

Source:
https://www.panasonic.com/sg/consumer/television/led-tv/th-65hx655s.htmlhttps://sg.sharp/products/tvav/60-inch-4k-uhd-tv-4t-c60ck1xhttps://store.google.com/sg/product/chromecast?hl=en-GB

 

[boxerfan]

Usually Android TVs would have chromecast built in, I would be surprised if an Android TV excludes the chromecast functionality. Both come from google. Anyway, best to check with seller.

 

[[Mubiq]]

I've just did a quick scan, I think Qoo10 might still have the TCL R635 but before you order, best to check with the seller if they still have stock. Otherwise your next best bet would be the Samsung Q70R if you can expand your budget by $100. (It is around $1100 on carousell for the 55") Or there's the lower end TCL C617, might not be as good as the R635 since it does not have Mini LED technology, but at least it is cheaper and it seems to be using a VA Panel.

I'm guessing maybe TCL is preparing for their next batch of 2021 TVs since the R635s are all suddenly out of stock.

In the end I bought the saumsung q70r @ below 1100. Hope it arrived soon. Give up on the TCL due to no readily stock available