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[Kepller]

In the end I bought the saumsung q70r @ below 1100. Hope it arrived soon. Give up on the TCL due to no readily stock available

Yeah its a pity TCL and HiSense has lower presence in Singapore. If the HiSense H9G or the upcoming 2021 U8G were available in SG, I am pretty sure they will be another popular choice.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/hisense/h9g

 

[synace]

I can't seem to find any data on the Sharp. That particular Panasonic model seems to be using an IPS panel since they are advertising it to have a wide viewing angle but this is just an assumption. There's no mention about any wide angle filter or it's panel type on their spec sheet. Best to contact the 2 manufacturers via their support line and ask them if it is IPS or VA. Get the one which has a VA panel. If they are both VA panels and at the same price, the larger size of the Panasonic seems to be a win as other than the size, they both seem to have similar specs. Both are direct led with no local dimming feature.

Feature wise, the Panasonic seems to be better as it has chromecast built in. There's no mention of this in Sharp's spec sheet. Sharp supports both HLG and HDR 10 while Panasonic only supports HDR 10. Neither have support for the more commonly adopted Dolby Vision.

Source:
https://www.panasonic.com/sg/consumer/television/led-tv/th-65hx655s.htmlhttps://sg.sharp/products/tvav/60-inch-4k-uhd-tv-4t-c60ck1xhttps://store.google.com/sg/product/chromecast?hl=en-GB

Hi, thanks for the detailed write up.
Actually Sharp comes with Chromecast built-in as well, and yes, it's a VA panel, whereas Panasonic is using IPS panel.
Feature wise quite similar, just that Panasonic is having Android 10 whereas Sharp is only on Android 9, not sure whether this makes a significant difference to the users?

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tec...arp-s-2020-4k-tvs-are-now-available-singapore

 

[Kepller]

Hi, thanks for the detailed write up.
Actually Sharp comes with Chromecast built-in as well, and yes, it's a VA panel, whereas Panasonic is using IPS panel.
Feature wise quite similar, just that Panasonic is having Android 10 whereas Sharp is only on Android 9, not sure whether this makes a significant difference to the users?

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tec...arp-s-2020-4k-tvs-are-now-available-singapore

Android 9 seems to be an OS launched back in 2019 not too sure if you would be missing anything in terms of apps support but if you're concern about this than try targeting another TV with the latest version of Android instead.

If I am not wrong Panasonic used to carry TV models with VA panel. Not too familiar with their line ups, but if you see any of their TVs that are not advertised to have "Wide Viewing Angle" it should be a good indicator that its a VA Panel. But best to confirm with them.

Does sharp have any TVs with the latest Android OS?

Just my preference, but if I had no choice but to choose between the 2 models, I would go with the one that has a VA panel even if it means a slightly dated OS. There might be dongles or other external devices which might be able to offer the latest Android/Google TV.

Here's a comparison between a TV with an IPS Panel and another TV with a VA Panel:
The LG Nano 90 (IPS), Samsung Q70R (VA)
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/com...639/782?usage=11&threshold=0.10#comparison_82
Interesting to see the Nvidia Shield still running Android 9: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/shield/

 

[synace]

Thank you, think now I know which I shall select between these 2...

 

[skpuppy]

TCL Led at $1599 looks ok right?

 

[Kepller]

TCL Led at $1599 looks ok right?

Do you mean the TCL P725 75"? Since it does not have local dimming and quantum dot filter, it is a decent buy but the TCL R625 65" at $1200 with its quantum dot filter (for a wider color gamut) and mini led local dimming system (for better dynamic range, HDR highlights and contrast) is better. The P725 does have HDMI 2.1 for 4K 120 so if you're using the TV for some gaming than the P725 is a better choice for future proofing.

See the R625's review and measurements here: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/6-series-r625-2019
Unfortunately rtings has yet to review the P725 so we don't know how it would perform against the R625. But it is common to see TVs with quantum dot filters having a wider color gamut than those without.
The R625 has Roku OS instead of Android OS on the P725 though. So if this bothers you and you still wish to go with the R625, get an android TV external device to go with the R625.

 

[skpuppy]

Strange why Giant website doesn’t carry R625. They only show C8, C716 for the 65”

 

[Kepller]

Strange why Giant website doesn’t carry R625. They only show C8, C716 for the 65”

Agreed. I wonder if they have plans to bring in the R625 or better yet the R635 which is an upgrade over the R625. For now you can only find the R625 via parallel importers at the usual online platforms, lazada, carousell and shopee. Best to check for reviews and see if the parallel importers are reliable before dealing with them. The R635 is completely sold out.

RTINGS TCL R625 Review


RTINGS TCL R635 Review


Digital Trends TCL R625 Overview


Digital Trends TCL R635 Overview

 

[skpuppy]

Parallel exporter quite close to no warranty. Lol

 

[KuroI-Kaze]

I would 100% recommend that you avoid Prism. All their TVs are using IPS panels. If they were using VA panels than they might be worth a try. Do not be fooled by their ads and reviews on their website as they remove all the negative reviews. Read up on reviews in this forum, there are plenty of disgruntled Prism TV owners here.

Xiao Mi's current TV line up if I'm not wrong are using IPS panels as well so I would avoid. However their new Xiao Mi Q1 TV might be using a VA panel, though due to false advertising of HDMI 2.1 features, I can't recommend them either.

Basically for a budget TV, the TCL R635 Mini Led TV at $1000 is the best bang for buck TV you can get at the price range (this also depends if that carouseller is trustworthy). It is not worth saving $400 on a $600 Prism TV as if you have both TVs side by side, I can guarantee you that you will see a noticeable difference especially in contrast level. Not only does that particular TCL model (R635) uses a VA panel, it also features Mini LEDs which pushes contrast level further. If you look up the TV critic RTINGS site you will see that they have measured the following contrast ratio of the TCL R635 to be:
Native Contrast
5560 : 1
Contrast with local dimming (Mini LED)
10537 : 1

The Prism will look washed out in comparison with the 55" TCL R635. IPS Panels have a typical contrast ratio of 1000:1 or below. So you can imagine how much of a difference you'd notice based on the above measurements. It is basically 10x more inkier Blacks than any of the Prism TVs with IPS panels. The Prism TVs will look greyish when placed side-by-side. If you're uncomfortable with TCL, than get a 55" Samsung Q60R for $969 or Q70R for $1140 as they both feature VA panel (though in this case, go with the Q70R instead of Q60R as the Q70R has Full-Array Local Dimming which functions similarly to the TCL R635's Mini LED technology, just slightly less effective). Avoid LG's entry level LED TVs and Sony's entry level LED TVs as they both use IPS panels instead of VA.

For Sony, anything above and including the X90J, uses VA panel. X80J and below uses IPS panel so avoid at all cost. LG's entire LCD line up uses IPS so only consider their OLED TVs.

Ultimately if you're not too fussy and do not want to spend much on a TV, just avoid any TV that uses IPS panel and you'll be fine.

If you're not in a rush, I highly recommend looking up the RTINGS website. They are a professional TV reviewer with proper tools and devices which they use to measure TVs and give unbias reviews based on the measurements. You will have a more clearer understanding of what to look for in TVs: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews They can also be found on youtube.

Hi i was planning to buy a prism until i saw your post about ips vs va ...

so i wish to ask if a tcl 43p615 a good choice? watch netflix no gaming ..

 

[Kepller]

Hi i was planning to buy a prism until i saw your post about ips vs va ...

so i wish to ask if a tcl 43p615 a good choice? watch netflix no gaming ..

While the P615 lacks the following:

• Quantumn Dot Filter (For wider color gamut)
• Full-Array or Mini LED Local Dimming System (For a Wider Dynamic Range/Boosted Contrast ratio and better HDR performance)
• Dolby Vision

It does have a great foundation:

• VA Panel (Depending on the quality, 3-7x Better Contrast Ratio than IPS Panel)
• Matte Screen (Great reflection handling)

Source: https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/95d31ff2

Picture quality wise, it will definitely beat any IPS TV. At $500 it is a good buy.

If you wish to have a slightly better netflix experience, the cheapest VA Panel TV (currently) with a Quantum Dot Filter and Dolby Vision Support would be the TCL C715 55" or the C716 50", both can be found at around $800+-. The quantum dot filter in combination with the VA panel's high contrast ratio will produce richer saturated colors especially the darker colors. Having Dolby Vision support is a plus though on TVs like the C715 and C716 which are highly likely to only achieve brightness levels around 400 nits +- (typical for TVs without local dimming systems), it might not be displaying supported content at their full potential.

 

[cscs3]

Thanks man for the long writeup. much appreciate it. I was told to avoid OLED due to new tech and could be problematic. Is ony panel these days as good as it use to be? Not sure where sony lcd TV is made in these days.

I was think of Xiaomi, Prism, how are these 2 compare to the TCL model?

I would stay away from OLED too.

 

[skpuppy]

While the P615 lacks the following:

• Quantumn Dot Filter (For wider color gamut)
• Full-Array or Mini LED Local Dimming System (For a Wider Dynamic Range/Boosted Contrast ratio and better HDR performance)
• Dolby Vision

It does have a great foundation:

• VA Panel (Depending on the quality, 3-7x Better Contrast Ratio than IPS Panel)
• Matte Screen (Great reflection handling)

Source: https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/95d31ff2

Picture quality wise, it will definitely beat any IPS TV. At $500 it is a good buy.

If you wish to have a slightly better netflix experience, the cheapest VA Panel TV (currently) with a Quantum Dot Filter and Dolby Vision Support would be the TCL C715 55" or the C716 50", both can be found at around $800+-. The quantum dot filter in combination with the VA panel's high contrast ratio will produce richer saturated colors especially the darker colors. Having Dolby Vision support is a plus though on TVs like the C715 and C716 which are highly likely to only achieve brightness levels around 400 nits +- (typical for TVs without local dimming systems), it might not be displaying supported content at their full potential.

Does the C716 comes with quantum dot filter and full array or mini led dimming? What is the warranty policy if I buy from Giant? I am told only 1 year warranty

I wanted to get Samsung 65” 70T or 80T. Very reasonable priced but most selling only provide 3 years in-house warranty (non Samsung warranty). A bit of a concern if need repair. Read that 70T is doesn’t comes with quantum dot filter and is edge lid?

 

[boxerfan]

Strange why Giant website doesn’t carry R625. They only show C8, C716 for the 65”

R625 is not meant to be sold outside USA. Those sold here were parallel imported.

 

[Kepller]

Does the C716 comes with quantum dot filter and full array or mini led dimming? What is the warranty policy if I buy from Giant? I am told only 1 year warranty

I wanted to get Samsung 65” 70T or 80T. Very reasonable priced but most selling only provide 3 years in-house warranty (non Samsung warranty). A bit of a concern if need repair. Read that 70T is doesn’t comes with quantum dot filter and is edge lid?

Yes although there is no review for the C716 it is advertise to have quantum dot filter. Unfortunately it lacks any form of local dimming system (Full Array / Mini LED). Not too sure about warranty so can't advice on that.

For the Samsung Q70T and Q80T yes agreed that the 3rd party warranty is a concern and a risk. This will depend if those 3rd party resellers offers them at a way lower price than the local street price, only then will it be worth a consideration. Before buying from those 3rd party resellers it will be best to verify in this forum if anyone had dealt with them before and what their experience with them were like. The reviews on their product or profile page might sometimes not tell the full story and there could be many reasons why their customers would be inclined to give them 5 stars. But if after researching around and if its legit then it should be safe to go for it.

The Q70T does have quantum dot filter and yes unfortunately its Edge Lit without any form of Local Dimming.
Both Samsung and Sony have been busy downgrading their LED TVs since 2020.

If you notice, the 2020 Q70T is basically more similar to the 2019 Q60R (Edge Lit, no local dimming) and not a worthy direct successor to the 2019 Q70R which had a Full-Array Local Dimming System. The 2020 Q80T with its full-array local dimming system is basically the 2019 Q70R. The performance of the Q80T does not match the 2019 Q80R as it has lesser local dimming zones than the Q80R. So basically its a snowball downgrade over the 2019 sets. If you require HDMI 2.1, get the Q80T which is basically more close to the Q70R in performance, plus it has the new HDMI 2.1 ports and gaming features such as 4K 120 which the Q70R lacks.

So for Samsung TVs if you don't Game at all on the TV and you don't require the HDMI 2.1 ports, you will get better picture quality for the money if you go with the 2019 Q70R instead of the 2020 Q70T. But in this scenario, the Q80R which has more local dimming zones than the Q70R will outperform it in terms of HDR peak brightness. The Q80R also has anti-reflection coating to reduce the amount of reflection and has a wide angle filter which expands the viewing angles while sacrificing contrast ratio. So in certain scenarios (not all), the Q70R might perform better than the Q80R.

Here's the side-by-side comparison of the Q70R and Q70T:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/com...70-q70t-qled/782/1818?usage=11&threshold=0.10Here's the side-by-side comparison of the Q80R and Q80T:
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/com...80-q80t-qled/807/1819?usage=11&threshold=0.10
The above comparisons shows and proofs the existence of a snowball downgrade effect.

Just be aware that if you go with Samsung, their TVs do not have support for Dolby Vision and they have a history of nerfing their Local Dimming System's algorithm when in Game/Pc Mode. If these 2 does not bother you than they are still a good buy, especially their 2019 and 2018 models. The 2020 and 2021 models are basically downgrades, but still good buys if you can find them at 40-50% off their MSRP.

If we consider the fact that Sony has also been busy downgrading their 2020 and 2021 LED TVs, the 2020 and 2021 Samsung TVs will no longer look as bad. At least the Samsungs have all the HDMI 2.1 features ready to go at launch while VRR is still not available on Sony TVs since last year.

 

[skpuppy]

So far I can’t find any local Samsung warranty for Q70/80R or Q70/80T. Anyone has any recommendation for 3rd party warranty? I think Q70/80R or Q70/80T already all sold out at major retailers.

 

[KuroI-Kaze]

While the P615 lacks the following:

• Quantumn Dot Filter (For wider color gamut)
• Full-Array or Mini LED Local Dimming System (For a Wider Dynamic Range/Boosted Contrast ratio and better HDR performance)
• Dolby Vision

It does have a great foundation:

• VA Panel (Depending on the quality, 3-7x Better Contrast Ratio than IPS Panel)
• Matte Screen (Great reflection handling)

Source: https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/95d31ff2

Picture quality wise, it will definitely beat any IPS TV. At $500 it is a good buy.

If you wish to have a slightly better netflix experience, the cheapest VA Panel TV (currently) with a Quantum Dot Filter and Dolby Vision Support would be the TCL C715 55" or the C716 50", both can be found at around $800+-. The quantum dot filter in combination with the VA panel's high contrast ratio will produce richer saturated colors especially the darker colors. Having Dolby Vision support is a plus though on TVs like the C715 and C716 which are highly likely to only achieve brightness levels around 400 nits +- (typical for TVs without local dimming systems), it might not be displaying supported content at their full potential.

thanks for your advise.

hmm as im going to using the tv in my bedroom im not sure if the size of a 55" is suitable. which is why im looking at 40-ish inch for now.

i have been using those old types of lcd led flat screen tv all my life and i think they are okay, so im not confidence if i can actually appreciate and see the differences in picture quality. but im very excited to get one to try out and looking forward to find new visual experience with a better tv albeit cheaper one unfortunately.

 

[Kepller]

thanks for your advise.

hmm as im going to using the tv in my bedroom im not sure if the size of a 55" is suitable. which is why im looking at 40-ish inch for now.

i have been using those old types of lcd led flat screen tv all my life and i think they are okay, so im not confidence if i can actually appreciate and see the differences in picture quality. but im very excited to get one to try out and looking forward to find new visual experience with a better tv albeit cheaper one unfortunately.

Nice. Since you don't seem to be extremely particular about the bleeding edge tech, getting at least a TV with a VA panel would be the priority. If you're coming from those older LCD LED TVs, the TCL P615 with its 4K VA Panel will definitely be an upgrade for you, especially for $500. It will also automatically beat any TVs with IPS panels (regardless of price) when it comes to contrast ratio.

Additionally since its a smaller screen, it will have a higher pixel density and will lead to a sharper image.

Since I'm assuming you'll be getting it from Giant, it might be worth to head down to an outlet with a thumb drive containing 4K video clips of your favorite movies and give the display set (if giant has it on display at their store) a try. See if its sufficient for you.

 

[cscs3]

Hi i was planning to buy a prism until i saw your post about ips vs va ...

so i wish to ask if a tcl 43p615 a good choice? watch netflix no gaming ..

Now a day, major brand like Philips, Panasonic or even Sharp are selling at almost the same price with full 3 years warranty coverage.

 

[Deathvision]

So far I can’t find any local Samsung warranty for Q70/80R or Q70/80T. Anyone has any recommendation for 3rd party warranty? I think Q70/80R or Q70/80T already all sold out at major retailers.

I also want to know, anybody knows where to get them local sets with proper warranty ?