Singapore drops Ultimax 100 light machine gun for US Colt IAR6940 Infantry Automatic Rifle

[Dracky]

ST Engineering had decades to come up with a better gun, but did nothing. Not surprised Mindef chose an import gun.

 

[bakuten]

Obviously, US one look nicer.

ultimax 100 mk8 looks gd tho

 

[bakuten]

Gpmg very strong construction also freaking heavy..saw light but like very filmsy not properly made...even magazine improvised with diy two holes

cannot compare when both shooting diff caliber ba

 

[gilcrest]

Why don't buy from south Korea? Cheap n good. US weapons are known to be expensive n useless

But you can always trust the reliability of Colt mah

 

[gilcrest]

ultimax 100 mk8 looks gd tho

But good for pirates and militia you mean

 

[znlee11]

I think the decision has more to do with upcoming SAF TO&E changes to the infantry section.

Good as the U100 MkIV might be, if the total qty of SAW in the estab is reduced to the point that it is no longer economically feasible to self-produce, then LL no choice but to buy COTS.

What SAF TO&E changes to the 6 man infantry section are we looking at? Interesting to know more since i believe all of us here grew up with 2 x SAW gunners 2 x M203, 2 X LAW. With SAW as suppressive fire to move bound to bound.

 

[bakuten]

Why choose 5.56 mm long. With better improvement in bullet proof vest, saf should choose bigger calibre rifle. Waste of tax payer money

just see Ukraine conflict....the avg rifleman's job is to sit inside trench and pray arti shells don't kill them....if they ever get to use their rifles/MGs will be used for defending their trench from attackers already storming the trenches.....and by then most likely will die to grenades

 

[reallyworry]

SAW always IA when firing blanks but live rounds quite ok really.

Only thing SAW is too long when we jump through HDB windows sure tio tiao.

 

[spececatgra1]

With adoption of Colt IAR to replace U100, interchangeable mags between
Colt IAR and SAR21 still not resolved. SAR21 uses a proprietary mag while
Colt IAR uses the M16, M4, M27 mags which are used with almost all
Western military 5.56 rifles.

Colt IAR is basically a AR15 design using the direct gas impingement
( which most rifle manufacturers eschew ) with a heavy barrel, large heat sink &
open bolt.

SAF shud replace the SAR21. Most 5.56 Western rifles adopt AR15 style
fire controls which are ergonomic and common to M16/M4/M27 among many
other 5.56 military rifles.
SAR21 is very heavy and has no P rails and has poor scope.

 

[Ean100]

What SAF TO&E changes to the 6 man infantry section are we looking at? Interesting to know more since i believe all of us here grew up with 2 x SAW gunners 2 x M203, 2 X LAW. With SAW as suppressive fire to move bound to bound.

I "heard" that it will become 1xSAW. Don't quote me, could well be wrong on this BUT if it really is 1xSAW then, as I said earlier, could explain the giving up the product line due to lack of any export sales and domestic qty.

That is the German gpmg. You dun want to have a gpmg at the section level. Too cumbersome and need at least two men to carry the gun, tripod and ammo.

Firing from the hip like the video is for amdk not for Asians with smaller build like us

At the section level, it will be a LMG = no tripod = 2 men for an MG team within a section.
You could have the tripod in the combat train for con/defense, with spare barrels, etc turning it into a HMG. A plt with 3 sect and 3xGPMG can put up quite the wall of lead.

There are many armies in the world still using this model. ie. a section built around a heavy calibre, sustained fire GPMG with the rest of the section being flank/support/maneuver for the base of fire established by the GPMG. Historically, crew served weapons are more effective then personal weapons anyways.

I'm more in favour of a GPMG based inf section, especially for a conscript army like SG. I feel it's a better way to effectively concentrate and employ the talent within the GI population than to try to rely on an average spread of talent across every single infantrymen with their limited length training cycle. Goes without saying this will fundamentally change all our battledrills. For extra giggles, the current Plt MG can be replaced with a DMR+40mm MGL group. Gives the Sect/Plt much needed effective reach out to longer ranges than the current TO&E.

The flipside is of course the constraints posed by the terrain of our likely ops area.

 

[touchring1]

ST Engineering had decades to come up with a better gun, but did nothing. Not surprised Mindef chose an import gun.

Warfare has changed with drones. Nowadays, infantry also must behave like special forces. Need to sneak in, quickly attack, withdraw, moving quickly. The longer stay at one position, the higher chance spotted by drone and artillery or air strike with deadly accuracy (drones) will arrive.

Watch how fast they move and clear trenches, behind shooting, and in front moving, the bullets flying less than 1 metre from the buddy in front.

 

[woshihock]

knn

take them donkey years to change the SAW

 

[Nalgene123]

Why don't buy from south Korea? Cheap n good. US weapons are known to be expensive n useless

ya....of course you are more knowledge than the people in SAF that did the selection...

 

[anonym]

Why don't buy from south Korea? Cheap n good. US weapons are known to be expensive n useless

Never see Russia war with Ukraine?

US weapons help lousy Ukraine take out hundreds of thousands of Russians and take back Kherson.

 

[woshihock]

SAW always IA when firing blanks but live rounds quite ok really.

Only thing SAW is too long when we jump through HDB windows sure tio tiao.

really jialat

die die want to use SAW to clear the room
even the instructor also looks like cock doing the drills

the M27 still can adjust the butt and is generally shorter in length.

 

[capcow]

So do they resell the old machine to others or trade in?

 

[Water Bottle]

Don't know if my mates can support us in suppressing fire when we need.

 

[mocax]

seems like m27 ish so good that it will eventually replace all the ultimax and all the sar21... everybody spray automatic...

 

[proton_cannon]

No new mg from st engineering?

The sar 21 is a failure on all counts except for the integrated scope to allow nsmen to get marksman bonus money.

See if the saf will adopt another joke weapon from st engineering

 

[Senna Wales]

Cannot. The butt-hurt will kpkb.

We already buy SPIKE from Israel.