SIT degree. Should i accept or no?

[bakutayd]

Got accepted into SIT SIE building services. Was wondering if i should accept the course or wait for other uni reply. Btw im from poly and my GPA isnt very high, only 3.2 And if i should accept, anyone from SIE course can shed some light on how the course is like and whether its a viable degree to hold in the working industry

 

[Kyoji83]

1) What course do you want in the first place?

2) I'm not from SIT-SIE. Base on my HR & Facilities Management (FM) experience , this course will train you to become a Facilities Engineer. You are never trained as a Civil, Mechanical or Electrical Engineer & you will forever never able to become a Professional Engineer with Professional Engineers Board Singapore using this degree.

3) However, I do not support this course. I don't think today Recruiter know that this degree trained you to become a Facilities Engineer & may not shortlisted you for that position.

4) This degree is even worst then a Polytechnic Diploma (Building) because it does not come with a SCDF Fire Safety Certificate.

5) SIT is just puffing with words to sell their degree programme. Do you see the keywords like similar & identical for SIE3014 & SIE3016 modules? In short mean you may learn the knowledge but you do not have the certificate. You still needs to apply for Fire Safety Specialist Course & Construction Safety Course for Project Managers (CSCPM) if you want to have the certificate.

SIE3014 Fire Safety Management: Learning codes of practices for fire engineering design including basic water-based fire engineering systems for buildings. Design gas protection systems, fire detection and alarm systems. Basic passive protection systems in building will also be covered.
* This course is similar to the Fire Safety Specialist Course currently offered by SCDF Academy.


SIE3016 Work Place Safety and Health: *The course curriculum is identical to that defined by Workplace Safety and Health Council, Ministry of Manpower, Singapore (MOM). Construction Safety Course for Project Managers (CSCPM).

6) I will recommend you to wait for other universities result first before you accept for this course (due to no better option left).

Got accepted into SIT SIE building services. Was wondering if i should accept the course or wait for other uni reply. Btw im from poly and my GPA isnt very high, only 3.2 And if i should accept, anyone from SIE course can shed some light on how the course is like and whether its a viable degree to hold in the working industry

 

[MrSinkie95]

accept and can wait for other offers

 

[a&w_rootbeerz]

Hopefully not another kyojiVSForSIT battle again

 

[bakutayd]

1) What course do you want in the first place?

2) I'm not from SIT-SIE. Base on my HR & Facilities Management (FM) experience , this course will train you to become a Facilities Engineer. You are never trained as a Civil, Mechanical or Electrical Engineer & you will forever never able to become a Professional Engineer with Professional Engineers Board Singapore using this degree.

3) However, I do not support this course. I don't think today Recruiter know that this degree trained you to become a Facilities Engineer & may not shortlisted you for that position.

4) This degree is even worst then a Polytechnic Diploma (Building) because it does not come with a SCDF Fire Safety Certificate.

5) SIT is just puffing with words to sell their degree programme. Do you see the keywords like similar & identical for SIE3014 & SIE3016 modules? In short mean you may learn the knowledge but you do not have the certificate. You still needs to apply for Fire Safety Specialist Course & Construction Safety Course for Project Managers (CSCPM) if you want to have the certificate.

SIE3014 Fire Safety Management: Learning codes of practices for fire engineering design including basic water-based fire engineering systems for buildings. Design gas protection systems, fire detection and alarm systems. Basic passive protection systems in building will also be covered.
* This course is similar to the Fire Safety Specialist Course currently offered by SCDF Academy.


SIE3016 Work Place Safety and Health: *The course curriculum is identical to that defined by Workplace Safety and Health Council, Ministry of Manpower, Singapore (MOM). Construction Safety Course for Project Managers (CSCPM).

6) I will recommend you to wait for other universities result first before you accept for this course (due to no better option left).

Thanks for the insight. I am actually hopping over from my diploma in Biomed Eng. Can u elaborate on what a facility engineer mean? And would it be better if i took the engineering programmes offered by the overseas uni with SIT?

 

[bakutayd]

1) What course do you want in the first place?

2) I'm not from SIT-SIE. Base on my HR & Facilities Management (FM) experience , this course will train you to become a Facilities Engineer. You are never trained as a Civil, Mechanical or Electrical Engineer & you will forever never able to become a Professional Engineer with Professional Engineers Board Singapore using this degree.

What i read from the course overview is as quoted ". Graduates with the MEngTech qualification will be eligible
for future registration as Professional Engineer (PE) (Singapore) or Chartered Engineer (UK and
Commonwealth countries). "
I actually have no preference, just know that i will be sticking to the engineering route. I wouldn't mind a course in software programming however that is more of a secondary choice

 

[Kyoji83]

1) MEngTech is Master Degree & not Bachelor Degree. So your BEng (Hons) is useless.

2) Chartered Engineer is for UK and Commonwealth countries, don't needs to even talk about it if you are working in Singapore.

3) Professional Engineers Board Singapore (PEB Sg) only needs Civil, Mechanical & Electrical to be Professional Engineer (PE). Regardless if BEng (Hons) or MEngTech, SIE (Building Services) fall under which major for registration of PE? None of the above even if PEB Sg accredited SIT-SIE.

4) This is how I feel about SIT-SIE: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/107309562-post19.html

5) Other thread discussion: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/degree-programs-courses-70/sutd-degree-5232203.html

6) Conclusion: I rather that you will select Mechanical or Electrical because they can become PE & work in other engineering industry like FM.

What i read from the course overview is as quoted ". Graduates with the MEngTech qualification will be eligible
for future registration as Professional Engineer (PE) (Singapore) or Chartered Engineer (UK and
Commonwealth countries). "
I actually have no preference, just know that i will be sticking to the engineering route. I wouldn't mind a course in software programming however that is more of a secondary choice

 

[Kyoji83]

In FM industry, site organization will break into 3 team base on these 3 major namely Building, Mechanical & Electrical. When workload become too big for one to handle like Mechanical, ACMV team will be created as a standalone team(mean now 4 team).

Base on SIE, you will be deploy mostly at Building team as an Building Engineer since a lot of Mechanical & Electrical (M&E) topics you are not cover under SIE. However when your site organization is small, you will needs to cover all Building, Mechanical & Electrical as a Facility Engineer.

So what does Facility Engineer do & what is FM? Please search yourself next time as part of training I give you to prepare yourself as Engineer. Some links for your perusal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facilities_engineering

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facility_management

Thanks for the insight. I am actually hopping over from my diploma in Biomed Eng. Can u elaborate on what a facility engineer mean? And would it be better if i took the engineering programmes offered by the overseas uni with SIT?

 

[Kyoji83]

ForSIT went MIA after 18-04-2017. I already agree with JasmineLuv & jeanyj by trying not to debate with him in 'Institute of Technology (SIT) - Singapore's 5th University! - Part 2' thread. Got time then I entertain him or else just ignore him. Anyway, he just keep talking the same nonsense over & over again.

Hopefully not another kyojiVSForSIT battle again

 

[Rospenn]

I am not too sure about SIE programme and their industry overall.

But securing a job with SIT degree won't be a challenge. SIE is a programme with IWSP and generally IWSP company welcome graduate to continue to work with them after they graduate. There is already a panel of companies that has agreement with the school to take in students for IWSP. These are companies that understand the programme and knows who they are hiring.

With that said, never accept the placing because you don't have other choice. Without the passion, you will not have the drive to learn and things will definitely be hard/impossible for you to understand. Unlike diploma, you can't just "cruise" through your degree in SIT. There is a reason why they have interviews and look at applicant from a holistic perspective. They want people with interest and passion.

Again, I am not from SIE. But SIT has courses with high dropout rate simply because students are "lucky" to get in by "pretending" to have lots of passion during interviews. But soon realize it is impossible to cruise though at this level and dropout. Time and money are wasted.

Do think about if you are really interested in the course. Since SIT degree can easily get you a job when you graduate (at the very least with your IWSP company), this should be the main factor.

 

[Magickiller9]

The thing about SIT is it failed to established itself as a proper Singapore university when it started. None of the other uni uses a foreign university's name to provide degree.

Why was the SMU-Wharton partnership successful? The partnership worked well because from the start the SMU's Board of Trustees had understood that at some moment in time we would have to stand on our own. Thus we organised ourselves to become independent. One of the most strategic decisions our board made was to establish from the beginning that our degrees were SMU degrees.

From the start, SMU was not "Wharton in Singapore", but SMU, that is, a Singapore institution that was to chart its own destiny and development once the initial involvement of Wharton receded

The second set of questions is centred on whether the collaborations with foreign institutions - such as Yale-NUS, Duke-NUS, Imperial College with Nanyang Technological University (NTU), Singapore University of Technology and Design (SUTD) with Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and, earlier on, Singapore Management University (SMU) with Wharton - have enriched the landscape of higher education in Singapore

notice the exclusion of SIT, because it's a not a collaboration. It's purely a foreign degree.

 

[Kyoji83]

From my best understanding, IWSP is internship & most interns from other universities are also recruited by their internship company. So SIT-IWSP is nothing special about it.

I am not too sure about SIE programme and their industry overall.

But securing a job with SIT degree won't be a challenge. SIE is a programme with IWSP and generally IWSP company welcome graduate to continue to work with them after they graduate. There is already a panel of companies that has agreement with the school to take in students for IWSP. These are companies that understand the programme and knows who they are hiring.

With that said, never accept the placing because you don't have other choice. Without the passion, you will not have the drive to learn and things will definitely be hard/impossible for you to understand. Unlike diploma, you can't just "cruise" through your degree in SIT. There is a reason why they have interviews and look at applicant from a holistic perspective. They want people with interest and passion.

Again, I am not from SIE. But SIT has courses with high dropout rate simply because students are "lucky" to get in by "pretending" to have lots of passion during interviews. But soon realize it is impossible to cruise though at this level and dropout. Time and money are wasted.

Do think about if you are really interested in the course. Since SIT degree can easily get you a job when you graduate (at the very least with your IWSP company), this should be the main factor.

 

[Barryallen123]

The thing about SIT is it failed to established itself as a proper Singapore university when it started. None of the other uni uses a foreign university's name to provide degree.


notice the exclusion of SIT, because it's a not a collaboration. It's purely a foreign degree.

Foreign degree is actually not bad. Most my lecturers in np have foreign degree rather than the ones from nus or ntu. And they are singaporean, just choose to study oversea. About job scope, don't worry. Most of sit graduates earn good money between 3k to 3.5k max. How I know? My np lecturers taught sit students and the students go on to work at jobs applicable to their degree like mechatronics working at psa with degree from oversea partnership uni Glasgow and he's earning 3.2k for fresh graduate. Not to mention the prospect of going for masters as the cert is able to let them add on with masters at ntu or nus. Although not as good as ntu or nus, the degree itself is good. And Kyoji complaining about it being worse than a polytechnic diploma, think again. Why would my teachers who are from nus and ntu recommend us to go to sit to get a degree if the diploma we got is better? Sit is a good platform to get where you want to be. But you won't go far. That's all I can say. If can go in nus or ntu then go for it. But if no choice, sit is also a good option.

 

[Magickiller9]

Foreign degree is actually not bad. Most my lecturers in np have foreign degree rather than the ones from nus or ntu. And they are singaporean, just choose to study oversea. About job scope, don't worry. Most of sit graduates earn good money between 3k to 3.5k max. How I know? My np lecturers taught sit students and the students go on to work at jobs applicable to their degree like mechatronics working at psa with degree from oversea partnership uni Glasgow and he's earning 3.2k for fresh graduate. Not to mention the prospect of going for masters as the cert is able to let them add on with masters at ntu or nus. Although not as good as ntu or nus, the degree itself is good. And Kyoji complaining about it being worse than a polytechnic diploma, think again. Why would my teachers who are from nus and ntu recommend us to go to sit to get a degree if the diploma we got is better? Sit is a good platform to get where you want to be. But you won't go far. That's all I can say. If can go in nus or ntu then go for it. But if no choice, sit is also a good option.

There's a different between a quality foreign degree and a substandard one. Almost 95% of my prof studied in an ivy league university. The remaining are senior lecturers/lecturers.

I worked at PSA previously and 3.2 is one of the lowest possible entry salary. And it depends on which polytechnic you are comparing it to. Some poly courses are really outstanding and the standard matches the local university.

 

[Kyoji83]

My mother work in NP & she share that a fresh PhD holder who work as a full time Lecturer (Contract role) is earning slightly more then SGD3,000. If the job market is so good as what you share that lecturers have claim, why would this PhD holder still work in NP when there are better job opportunity elsewhere?

Are you sure your Teachers who are graduates from NUS & NTU recommend you to go SIT because it is better or your result only suitable to go SIT instead of NUS & NTU?

Most of the overseas jobs in countries like Australia have higher wages & better currency converter rate compare to Singapore. Almost any lowest position you can get is around AUD2,000 for bimonthly (which mean AUD4,000 for a month). Malaysia also share the same story for Singapore. A Security Officer working in Singapore earn SGD2,000 & bring home MYR 6,000 in Malaysia. So how to compare?

Foreign degree is actually not bad. Most my lecturers in np have foreign degree rather than the ones from nus or ntu. And they are singaporean, just choose to study oversea. About job scope, don't worry. Most of sit graduates earn good money between 3k to 3.5k max. How I know? My np lecturers taught sit students and the students go on to work at jobs applicable to their degree like mechatronics working at psa with degree from oversea partnership uni Glasgow and he's earning 3.2k for fresh graduate. Not to mention the prospect of going for masters as the cert is able to let them add on with masters at ntu or nus. Although not as good as ntu or nus, the degree itself is good. And Kyoji complaining about it being worse than a polytechnic diploma, think again. Why would my teachers who are from nus and ntu recommend us to go to sit to get a degree if the diploma we got is better? Sit is a good platform to get where you want to be. But you won't go far. That's all I can say. If can go in nus or ntu then go for it. But if no choice, sit is also a good option.

 

[Rospenn]

From my best understanding, IWSP is internship & most interns from other universities are also recruited by their internship company. So SIT-IWSP is nothing special about it.

It is 1 year internship. Not very uni has internship and yes, those that come with one usually welcome their graduate to work with them after they graduate. Anyway, this statement is just to assure upon graduation, they are not going to face problem where no one want to hire them. Not the main focus.

The main point is when deciding which degree to enroll, always choose something you like or at least have some interest in. Without interest, even graduating is going to be difficult. In this level, it is simply impossible to "cruise through"

 

[Kyoji83]

I agree with your main point that when deciding which degree to enroll, always choose something you like or at least have some interest in. Without interest, even graduating is going to be difficult. In this level, it is simply impossible to "cruise through".


Even Education minister step in & market ITE Technical Engineer Diploma (TED) where ITE student needs to go for their 6 months internship after they finish their 2 years academic modules (Total duration for TED is 2.5 years). However what is the public response from employers, parents & students compare to Polytechnic Diploma? This is what SIT is trying to do by overselling their degree but the things is they are no where near NUS/NTU/SMU. As for SIT-IWSP , their marketing strategy may work for students but not for working professionals especially those with internship mentor experience.

It is 1 year internship. Not very uni has internship and yes, those that come with one usually welcome their graduate to work with them after they graduate. Anyway, this statement is just to assure upon graduation, they are not going to face problem where no one want to hire them. Not the main focus.

The main point is when deciding which degree to enroll, always choose something you like or at least have some interest in. Without interest, even graduating is going to be difficult. In this level, it is simply impossible to "cruise through"

 

[Barryallen123]

My mother work in NP & she share that a fresh PhD holder who work as a full time Lecturer (Contract role) is earning slightly more then SGD3,000. If the job market is so good as what you share that lecturers have claim, why would this PhD holder still work in NP when there are better job opportunity elsewhere?

Are you sure your Teachers who are graduates from NUS & NTU recommend you to go SIT because it is better or your result only suitable to go SIT instead of NUS & NTU?

Most of the overseas jobs in countries like Australia have higher wages & better currency converter rate compare to Singapore. Almost any lowest position you can get is around AUD2,000 for bimonthly (which mean AUD4,000 for a month). Malaysia also share the same story for Singapore. A Security Officer working in Singapore earn SGD2,000 & bring home MYR 6,000 in Malaysia. So how to compare?

Did I say they recommend me to go to sit? I'm saying they recommend going to sit if you got no other choice cause it's still good like I previously stated. Else, just go for ntu or nus or Smu. And your PhD guy is contract, not full time. From first hand experience, these PhD lecturers only come in once a week. The full time lecturers with degree or masters earn at most 5 to 6k but they have to come everyday. Would you like earn 3k per month by just coming to school once a week? Duh.... I've asked around rather than assume. And my sources come direct from my teachers. If they lied to me, then I'll be damned.

 

[Kyoji83]

Nowadays, all new lecturer are contract basis. The full time lecturers with degree or masters earn at most 5 to 6k are those old timers who are already a permanent staff. Old timers will only have their outdated experience.

For example, they share with students salary range many years ago when it is still employee market. Another example will be part time students who are industry professionals like my ex-colleagues share updated information like SCDF requirement for fire alarm system response time to Lecturer & let them change accordingly.

Lecturers only come in once a week are actually freelancer & not NP staff who teach base on assignment basis. Their salary will base on their assignment agreement.

And my mum sources come direct from those lecturers & some admin staffs.

Did I say they recommend me to go to sit? I'm saying they recommend going to sit if you got no other choice cause it's still good like I previously stated. Else, just go for ntu or nus or Smu. And your PhD guy is contract, not full time. From first hand experience, these PhD lecturers only come in once a week. The full time lecturers with degree or masters earn at most 5 to 6k but they have to come everyday. Would you like earn 3k per month by just coming to school once a week? Duh.... I've asked around rather than assume. And my sources come direct from my teachers. If they lied to me, then I'll be damned.

 

[Barryallen123]

Nowadays, all new lecturer are contract basis. The full time lecturers with degree or masters earn at most 5 to 6k are those old timers who are already a permanent staff. Old timers will only have their outdated experience.

For example, they share with students salary range many years ago when it is still employee market. Another example will be part time students who are industry professionals like my ex-colleagues share updated information like SCDF requirement for fire alarm system response time to Lecturer & let them change accordingly.

Lecturers only come in once a week are actually freelancer & not NP staff who teach base on assignment basis. Their salary will base on their assignment agreement.

And my mum sources come direct from those lecturers & some admin staffs.

Contract basis? My whole time in np I've never met a teacher who is contract basis. That is for my engineering department. The new teachers there are staying long term till they choose to go off. And their pay are around 4k for new staff. FYI, most of the newer staff are direct from the work force so they probably earn more out there. The only contract staff I know is an ang moh teacher who was there for 2 years to teach as an intern from MIT. Other than that, no. None of the teachers I know are contract even newer ones.