SPF Rank

[veltix]

What is Sgt 1,Sgt 2 and Sgt 3. In the rank of police?

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[Calander]

What is Sgt 1,Sgt 2 and Sgt 3. In the rank of police?

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first of all.. where did u even get this info from?

anyway, the number indicates the "seniority" of the that particular rank. consider it as a tier system which is part of the internal ranking for the next higher rank. example, only SGT (3) will be promoted to SSG(1), and not a SGT(1) to SSG(1).

whereas from the public's view, SGT is just SGT and the next rank that officer would get is SSG

this is what i know.

 

[schubaltz]

What is Sgt 1,Sgt 2 and Sgt 3. In the rank of police?

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Regular ar? SGT(1) replace corporal, (2) for sgt, (3) for ssgt

 

[matey1982]

Regular ar? SGT(1) replace corporal, (2) for sgt, (3) for ssgt

last time used to have like this for the Junior officer side of the hse

CPL
SGT
SSGT
SSSGT
SI
SSI

think there was rank revamp around 2016 and streamlined to supposedly retain more peeps and career progression?

 

[Parmesean]

last time used to have like this for the Junior officer side of the hse

CPL
SGT
SSGT
SSSGT
SI
SSI

think there was rank revamp around 2016 and streamlined to supposedly retain more peeps and career progression?

Correct, they streamlined it and called it the unified ranking scheme.

Previous ranks
Junior ranks
CPL
SGT
SSG
SSS
SI
SSI
SSI (2)

Senior ranks
Insp
ASP
DSP
SUP
DAC
AC
SAC
DCP
CP

After the change, there is no longer two separate schemes, instead one "unified scheme", giving ways for "junior" ranks to be able to move up and retire as an Insp, if they are willing to work hard.

So now, the new ranks are
SGT (1)
SGT (2)
SGT (3)
SSS
SI
INSP
ASP
DSP
SUP
DAC
AC
SAC
DCP
CP

 

[Starbarks!]

What is Sgt 1,Sgt 2 and Sgt 3. In the rank of police?

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As for the NSF ranks esp in TransCom:

- SC2 (after POP)
- CPL (Min 6 mths as SC2, not 3 mths as stated in the handbook)
- SGT(1) (Min 3 mths as CPL)
- SGT(2) (Min 3 mths as SGT(1), only for selected ones)

 

[Kyoji83]

I feel that they are BS.

All along got JO like SSI(2) promoted to Insp or JO going through A/Insp path. Maybe just shorter the path way by taking away SSI ranks.

Anyway, I don't think the consultancy firm do a good job. SSGT become SGT(3) is like a demotion to me. End of day, SGT (1), SGT(2) & SGT (3) are different grade but still under the same rank. Only SSGT is consider different rank from SGT.

Correct, they streamlined it and called it the unified ranking scheme.

Previous ranks
Junior ranks
CPL
SGT
SSG
SSS
SI
SSI
SSI (2)

Senior ranks
Insp
ASP
DSP
SUP
DAC
AC
SAC
DCP
CP

After the change, there is no longer two separate schemes, instead one "unified scheme", giving ways for "junior" ranks to be able to move up and retire as an Insp, if they are willing to work hard.

So now, the new ranks are
SGT (1)
SGT (2)
SGT (3)
SSS
SI
INSP
ASP
DSP
SUP
DAC
AC
SAC
DCP
CP

 

[schubaltz]

I feel that they are BS.

All along got JO like SSI(2) promoted to Insp or JO going through A/Insp path. Maybe just shorter the path way by taking away SSI ranks.

Anyway, I don't think the consultancy firm do a good job. SSGT become SGT(3) is like a demotion to me. End of day, SGT (1), SGT(2) & SGT (3) are different grade but still under the same rank. Only SSGT is consider different rank from SGT.

It's their way of telling you that they have supposedly shorten the progression yet whether you get to move up to insp is another thing.

But yeah, the idea of having rank, in my opinion is to let the holder feel some sense of progression, You combine those si, ssi, ssi(2) still logical as most jobscope at that level overlap with insp. But spf go and abolish ssgt is pure stupidity, the feel of progression isn't there anymore.

 

[reddevil0728]

It's their way of telling you that they have supposedly shorten the progression yet whether you get to move up to insp is another thing.

But yeah, the idea of having rank, in my opinion is to let the holder feel some sense of progression, You combine those si, ssi, ssi(2) still logical as most jobscope at that level overlap with insp. But spf go and abolish ssgt is pure stupidity, the feel of progression isn't there anymore.

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/flat-vs-hierarchical-organizational-structure-724.html

Do you want to feel fake progression or material progression?

 

[schubaltz]

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/flat-vs-hierarchical-organizational-structure-724.html

Do you want to feel fake progression or material progression?

Don't think it applies. Every increment of grade comes with increment of pay.

 

[matey1982]

Don't think it applies. Every increment of grade comes with increment of pay.

kinda agree with u on tt

whenever go bck for reservist, see more regular JOs get promoted

 

[Kyoji83]

In the past for Metropolitan Police (UK), Station inspector is actually above Probationary inspector / Junior station inspector and below Sub-divisional inspector. Then they change Station inspector to Inspector and Sub-divisional inspector has been abolished but are consider to current Chief Inspector. So our SPF Station inspector and Senior Station inspector (1) (2) can consider Senior Officer in UK.


In India, Assistant sub-inspector can be promoted from Head constable (equivalent to sergeant) or direct entry. Then they are promoted to Sub-inspector and Sub-inspector (3 stars & a red and blue striped ribbon at the outer end of the shoulder straps). These are something like our SPF Station inspector. Their 'Senior Officer' are known as Indian State Police Gazetted Officer and start with the rank of Assistant Commissioner of Police or Deputy Superintendent of Police (3 stars shoulder straps).


In Hong Kong, their Station sergeant can consider to be our Station inspector.


From these 4 countries, Station inspector or inspector roles are fall between Junior and Senior roles but doing similar jobs. Having more rank like Senior Station inspector (1) (2) is just to prevent Junior Officer to be promoted to Senior Officer in SPF as part of social class. So now this is a good move to remove Senior Station inspector (1) (2).


However they should take away SSSGT instead of SSGT / SSG cause SSSGT is like an extra rank comparing to SCDF. Now SCDF look like a joke when you get promoted 3 times in grade at SGT rank and you get to promoted to WO1 (equal to SAF 2WO) and follow by WO2 (equal to SAF 1WO) before promoted to LTA.


If I am the consultant, I will recommend SGT, SSG (I don't want to have extra T and it can standardized across UG like SAF & SCDF), SI/2WO, SSI/1WO (all rank do not have grades) before you cross over to Senior Officer as ASP/CPT. Already doing the job of Insp/LTA as SI/2WO (rank look like SAF 2WO) & SSI/1WO (rank look like SAF 1WO) , so can directly go to ASP/CPT. Why I keep SSI/1WO cause SCDF have RSM unlike SPF.

It's their way of telling you that they have supposedly shorten the progression yet whether you get to move up to insp is another thing.

But yeah, the idea of having rank, in my opinion is to let the holder feel some sense of progression, You combine those si, ssi, ssi(2) still logical as most jobscope at that level overlap with insp. But spf go and abolish ssgt is pure stupidity, the feel of progression isn't there anymore.

 

[matey1982]

In the past for Metropolitan Police (UK), Station inspector is actually above Probationary inspector / Junior station inspector and below Sub-divisional inspector. Then they change Station inspector to Inspector and Sub-divisional inspector has been abolished but are consider to current Chief Inspector. So our SPF Station inspector and Senior Station inspector (1) (2) can consider Senior Officer in UK.


In India, Assistant sub-inspector can be promoted from Head constable (equivalent to sergeant) or direct entry. Then they are promoted to Sub-inspector and Sub-inspector (3 stars & a red and blue striped ribbon at the outer end of the shoulder straps). These are something like our SPF Station inspector. Their 'Senior Officer' are known as Indian State Police Gazetted Officer and start with the rank of Assistant Commissioner of Police or Deputy Superintendent of Police (3 stars shoulder straps).


In Hong Kong, their Station sergeant can consider to be our Station inspector.


From these 4 countries, Station inspector or inspector roles are fall between Junior and Senior roles but doing similar jobs. Having more rank like Senior Station inspector (1) (2) is just to prevent Junior Officer to be promoted to Senior Officer in SPF as part of social class. So now this is a good move to remove Senior Station inspector (1) (2).


However they should take away SSSGT instead of SSGT / SSG cause SSSGT is like an extra rank comparing to SCDF. Now SCDF look like a joke when you get promoted 3 times in grade at SGT rank and you get to promoted to WO1 (equal to SAF 2WO) and follow by WO2 (equal to SAF 1WO) before promoted to LTA.


If I am the consultant, I will recommend SGT, SSG (I don't want to have extra T and it can standardized across UG like SAF & SCDF), SI/2WO, SSI/1WO (all rank do not have grades) before you cross over to Senior Officer as ASP/CPT. Already doing the job of Insp/LTA as SI/2WO (rank look like SAF 2WO) & SSI/1WO (rank look like SAF 1WO) , so can directly go to ASP/CPT. Why I keep SSI/1WO cause SCDF have RSM unlike SPF.

no wonder they up my ns rank maciam clear rank stock

 

[Starbarks!]

no wonder they up my ns rank maciam clear rank stock

So u were from what rank to what rank? Are u currently NSF or reservist ahh?

 

[reddevil0728]

Don't think it applies. Every increment of grade comes with increment of pay.

Erm not sure which part you are looking at. but you don't have to have an increase in grade to have an increment of pay. it is about how much.

kinda agree with u on tt

whenever go bck for reservist, see more regular JOs get promoted

as above

 

[reddevil0728]

In the past for Metropolitan Police (UK), Station inspector is actually above Probationary inspector / Junior station inspector and below Sub-divisional inspector. Then they change Station inspector to Inspector and Sub-divisional inspector has been abolished but are consider to current Chief Inspector. So our SPF Station inspector and Senior Station inspector (1) (2) can consider Senior Officer in UK.


In India, Assistant sub-inspector can be promoted from Head constable (equivalent to sergeant) or direct entry. Then they are promoted to Sub-inspector and Sub-inspector (3 stars & a red and blue striped ribbon at the outer end of the shoulder straps). These are something like our SPF Station inspector. Their 'Senior Officer' are known as Indian State Police Gazetted Officer and start with the rank of Assistant Commissioner of Police or Deputy Superintendent of Police (3 stars shoulder straps).


In Hong Kong, their Station sergeant can consider to be our Station inspector.


From these 4 countries, Station inspector or inspector roles are fall between Junior and Senior roles but doing similar jobs. Having more rank like Senior Station inspector (1) (2) is just to prevent Junior Officer to be promoted to Senior Officer in SPF as part of social class. So now this is a good move to remove Senior Station inspector (1) (2).


However they should take away SSSGT instead of SSGT / SSG cause SSSGT is like an extra rank comparing to SCDF. Now SCDF look like a joke when you get promoted 3 times in grade at SGT rank and you get to promoted to WO1 (equal to SAF 2WO) and follow by WO2 (equal to SAF 1WO) before promoted to LTA.


If I am the consultant, I will recommend SGT, SSG (I don't want to have extra T and it can standardized across UG like SAF & SCDF), SI/2WO, SSI/1WO (all rank do not have grades) before you cross over to Senior Officer as ASP/CPT. Already doing the job of Insp/LTA as SI/2WO (rank look like SAF 2WO) & SSI/1WO (rank look like SAF 1WO) , so can directly go to ASP/CPT. Why I keep SSI/1WO cause SCDF have RSM unlike SPF.

lucky you not consultant.

 

[matey1982]

So u were from what rank to what rank? Are u currently NSF or reservist ahh?

stuck as cpl for a few years, think since i ORD in 2003 until got consecutive promo, think was in 2015 or 2016 to sgt and then ssgt

reservist
just clock my 10th cycle
rank wise i dont really bother
so long as can MR, can already

 

[Starbarks!]

stuck as cpl for a few years, think since i ORD in 2003 until got consecutive promo, think was in 2015 or 2016 to sgt and then ssgt

reservist
just clock my 10th cycle
rank wise i dont really bother
so long as can MR, can already

Haha true true..

 

[matey1982]

Haha true true..

and i guess the engagement with PNS men regarding MR could certainly be better

rank wise more secondary