Spotlight on CPFIS returns

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Spotlight on CPFIS returns

http://www.straitstimes.com/business/spotlight-on-cpfis-returns

Only 16 per cent of investors in the Central Provident Fund Investment Scheme (CPFIS) in the year ended Sept 30 last year managed to beat the 2.5 per cent guaranteed rate of interest they would earn otherwise.

The other 84 per cent of investors either failed to meet the 2.5 per cent guaranteed rate or posted losses, according to CPF statistics.

The 12 months were a particularly volatile period for financial markets, with investors having to contend with events such as the huge drawdown in Chinese equities, China's depreciation of the yuan, and the continued collapse of commodity prices - in particular crude oil prices - along with the threat of a Greek exit from the European Union.

With much uncertainty and pessimism in financial markets, the Straits Times Index (STI) plunged 14.8 per cent over the same period, while regional markets such as emerging-market equities dropped 12 per cent and Asia ex-Japan equities declined 4.4 per cent.

The reasons for the scheme's headline muted performance - apart from the events and poor market performance - are plentiful.

They include CPF members not doing sufficient due diligence on their intended investments, speculation in the local stock market, a lack of diversification or over-concentration in their investments, the perennial issue of letting emotions take control of investment decisions, and perhaps overlooking the importance of rebalancing.

There is a lack of detailed information regarding how members allocated their CPFIS monies across the permissible investments and how they have done over the long term.

Still, it is not inconceivable that the majority of members perhaps focused on individual local stocks which, when combined with the plunge in the local stock market over the 12 months to Sept 30 last year, would surely point to heavy losses for investors.

However, even when taking a longer-term view - as one should with investments - the STI's annualised total returns as of end-July this year, of minus 1.82 per cent over the past three years or a slightly better 1.04 per cent over the past five years, would both have resulted in a muted return on the CPFIS monies of members who focused solely on the local stock market.

While the local stock market's returns have been moribund, the picture is rosier for members who invested in unit trusts. The Investment Management Association of Singapore (Imas) revealed that unit trusts under the CPFIS trusts have posted a three-year average return of 10.59 per cent (or an annualised return of 3.4 per cent) as of the end of the first quarter ended March 31 this year.

Apart from diversification of stocks and professional fund managers performing security selection for members, those who utilised unit trusts for their CPFIS likely benefited from having overseas geographical allocations as well.

This likely helped to boost the returns on their CPFIS monies, given that indexes such as the MSCI World TR USD representing global equities and the MSCI AC Asia ex-Japan TR USD representing Asia ex-Japan equities posted returns of 34.52 per cent and 9.8 per cent respectively or annualised returns of 10.4 per cent and 3.2 per cent respectively over the past three years.

Investors who had diversified into bonds and bond funds would have likewise benefited, with the Citigroup WGBI TR USD representing world government bonds delivering a three-year annualised return of 3.3 per cent.

Thus, the financial instruments one utilises to invest CPFIS monies, as well as what and where these instruments provide exposure to, would have played a significant role in determining the returns.

While the headline numbers for the profits/losses for investments held under the CPFIS Ordinary Account Scheme might sound pessimistic, members of the CPFIS need not despair.

Having a proper asset-allocation plan and giving time for the investments to work out in the medium to long term, as well as appropriate product and security selection, would be the building blocks for investors seeking to start utilising their CPFIS monies.

The employment of such a process has seen some heartening results at fundsupermart.com.

A quick glance at the returns of our investors who are invested in CPFIS Ordinary Account-approved funds reveals that over 55 per cent of our members are holding onto positive returns, with 43 per cent of all members that use the platform posting returns that beat the 2.5 per cent guaranteed interest rate floor.

In addition to the above, investors need to recognise the alignment of the long-term nature of investing with that of retirement planning and develop the ability to ignore some of the short-term volatility and market fluctuations, factors which fit the CPFIS structure well.

With an eye on the long term, investors would be remiss not to conduct rebalancing on an annual basis at the very least to take profits on investments that have done well and reallocate said profits to segments that have not, in order to keep their asset allocation weights relevant and their retirement nest egg growth on track.
 

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mean while, in SSI, most of members are huat
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I am one of the 84%. It was the earliest investment decision in my investment journey. Unit trust, big mistake. No loss but did not beat the 2.5%. It taught me to not leave it to others to invest or manage my own money.
 

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I actually anticipate they release the stats for those who manage to beat 4 % + 600. Is there anyway I can check on those data? Can i send in a request for them to release?

Exponential increase in difficulty to break the return for 1 % extra increment.
 
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I actually anticipate they release the stats for those who manage to beat 4 % + 600. If there anyway I can check on those data? Can i send in a request for them to release?

Exponential increase in difficulty to break the return for 1 % extra increment.

yes i also interested
anyone know the data??
 

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Only 16 per cent of investors in the Central Provident Fund Investment Scheme (CPFIS) in the year ended Sept 30 last year managed to beat the 2.5 per cent guaranteed rate of interest they would earn otherwise....

maybe just beat a marginally of 2.6%...
 

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I agree with the point they are making but it also depends how they calculate.

For example, if I have been holding a lot of STI ETF since last GFC and my annual dividend is more than 2.5%, does that mean my return is >2.5%? Or do they do a pure MTM for the measurement period which is irrelevant to a long term investor like myself.

I am still holding some CPFIS unit trusts. Not all are bad and the free switching is useful for rebalancing.

A professional fund with expense ratio of say 1.8% a year may not beat asset allocation using low-cost ETFs, but it has a good chance of beating individual stock pickers who don't do any research but simply buy based on stock tips in internet forums =:p
 

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A professional fund with expense ratio of say 1.8% a year may not beat asset allocation using low-cost ETFs, but it has a good chance of beating individual stock pickers who don't do any research but simply buy based on stock tips in internet forums =:p

monkey with dart board also can easily beat individual stock pickers because many of them get negative returns

Even CPF 2.5% also can beat, as highlighted in this article, LOL!
 

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I agree with the point they are making but it also depends how they calculate.

For example, if I have been holding a lot of STI ETF since last GFC and my annual dividend is more than 2.5%, does that mean my return is >2.5%? Or do they do a pure MTM for the measurement period which is irrelevant to a long term investor like myself.

I am still holding some CPFIS unit trusts. Not all are bad and the free switching is useful for rebalancing.

A professional fund with expense ratio of say 1.8% a year may not beat asset allocation using low-cost ETFs, but it has a good chance of beating individual stock pickers who don't do any research but simply buy based on stock tips in internet forums =:p

I guess they calculate returns based on realised gains/losses and dividends received during the year dividend by the cost of investments. In other words, unrealised gains/losses on "cost of stock investment" are not taken into account.
 

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I guess they calculate returns based on realised gains/losses and dividends received during the year dividend by the cost of investments. In other words, unrealised gains/losses on "cost of stock investment" are not taken into account.

I doubt so. There is no reason to assume capital remained unchanged unless it is realized.
 

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this article is meaningless as unrealized gains/loss are not included. Also for example if an investment made a gain of 10% in FY2014 and 4% loss in FY2015 the net gain will be 5.6%. but he wil be still in the 86% who cannot beat 2.5%. As only 4% loss in the latest FY will be used in the stat.
It just another misleading article trying to give an impression that their 2.5% is more superior.
 
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I remember I read it somewhere before, it was not realized gain or losses, but I leave it to experts here to answer this. :)

this article is meaningless as unrealized gains/loss are not included. Also for example if an investment made a gain of 10% in FY2014 and 4% loss in FY2015 the net gain will be 5.6%. but he wil be still in the 86% who cannot beat 2.5%. As only 4% loss in the latest FY will be used in the stat.
It just another misleading article trying to give an impression that their 2.5% is more superior.
 

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I dunno about others but I had a great year so far in 2016 and beat the CPF returns. 2015 was flat for me locally but US, great. Locally since august 2015, it's been great too.

In other words, I dunno what the heck the 84% is buying and I'm seriously interested if there is any such disclosure.
 

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If you invested in sti etf or banks or blue chips in Singapore like keppel or sci or noble(used to be blue chips) using cpf money since 2 years ago and keep doing dca, your return would still be negative.

Cpf investment is allowed for USA stocks?
A lot of your higher return stocks, like Fuyu, mm2, acromac, do they allow the use of cpf?

If you buy dbs, Uob or Ocbc since a year ago and keep doing dca using cpf, are you able to get positive return? I highly doubt so. You can only get positive return if you bought when everyone is fear of recession back in feb or March? At that time how many people dare to throw retirement money to average down? Points to ponder. :)

I dunno about others but I had a great year so far in 2016 and beat the CPF returns. 2015 was flat for me locally but US, great. Locally since august 2015, it's been great too.

In other words, I dunno what the heck the 84% is buying and I'm seriously interested if there is any such disclosure.
 
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If you invested in sti etf or banks or blue chips in Singapore like keppel or sci or noble(used to be blue chips) using cpf money since 2 years ago and keep doing dca, your return would still be negative.

Cpf investment is allowed for USA stocks?

CPF not allowed for US. I get your point.

If purely STI ETF then yup, negative. If purely o&g, yup again.

84% who use CPF to buy things means they know about investing. And if so, I would thought they invest more in individual counters rather than a pure STI play or o&g one. I would really like to know what they bought instead of speculating here. It should be a good study.
 

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CPF not allowed for US. I get your point.

If purely STI ETF then yup, negative. If purely o&g, yup again.

84% who use CPF to buy things means they know about investing. And if so, I would thought they invest more in individual counters rather than a pure STI play or o&g one. I would really like to know what they bought instead of speculating here. It should be a good study.

Blue chips are included in STI ETF, so STI ETF is quite a reliable reference for how blue chips in Singapore performed during the last 2 years.
And don't forget, most investors, they like to buy when everyone else is buying but not when the stock is dropping everyday.
This is the monthly price for STI ETF for the past 2 years plus.
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this article is meaningless as unrealized gains/loss are not included. Also for example if an investment made a gain of 10% in FY2014 and 4% loss in FY2015 the net gain will be 5.6%. but he wil be still in the 86% who cannot beat 2.5%. As only 4% loss in the latest FY will be used in the stat.
It just another misleading article trying to give an impression that their 2.5% is more superior.

very good point
like to see realised gains/losses
otherwise not much
 

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Hi, I have a question here.

If let's say I have invested $12000 from my OA through my insurance agent, will I be able to stop the premiums (currently 2k every quarter) and not sell the current investment? Or once I stop the premiums, I have to sell the units?

Thanks!
 
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