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brfish

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I am exploring the tax saving options through SRS and have a couple questions. Please help me to understand better. Thanks a bunch!

  • What are the differences between SRS operators, if any?
  • Once I pick the SRS operator, what products can I invest outside that operator? Fund? Bond? ETF? Say, can I still buy ETF at SC's 0.18% instead of 0.275% at the SRS operator?
  • Dollardex says that I can only invest the SRS contribution the year after. Is that true for all investment or is it DD only?
  • What products do you recommend to put in SRS versus CPF versus cash accounts?

Really appreciate the help.
 

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There's no diff between SRS operators. It is just local banks opening a SRS account for you.

You can invest in a variety of instruments - stocks, bonds, funds. Generally the safer investments.

It only makes sense to open an SRS account if you are a mid-high income earner where the tax savings now makes alot of sense for you
 

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What are the differences between SRS operators, if any?

Not much difference. Fees and charges are all waived by DBS (and I believe OCBC too, but they do not state so online). UOB also waives all fees and charges except for Gold Certificate, Inter-Bank Transfer of account and Cancellation of Trade. All three operators give the standard interest of 0.05% pa for balances.

I suggest picking the one that is most convenient, like the one you do most of your business with.

Once I pick the SRS operator, what products can I invest outside that operator? Fund? Bond? ETF? Say, can I still buy ETF at SC's 0.18% instead of 0.275% at the SRS operator?

To buy exchange-listed stocks, bonds and ETFs, you can just tell your regular broker your SRS operator and account number and they will link it up. Unfortunately I think SC online trading does not allow SRS funds.

Besides exchanges, each SRS operator offers its own fixed deposits, bonds, unit trusts, insurance and other products but I am not sure whether regular non-HNWI investors can buy, say, HDB bonds.

Another way to access unit trusts is to use platforms like Dollardex or Fundsupermart that accept SRS funds.

Dollardex says that I can only invest the SRS contribution the year after. Is that true for all investment or is it DD only?

Where did you see this? I think you should be able to invest it soon after you bank in the money, not the year after.

What products do you recommend to put in SRS versus CPF versus cash accounts?

Tax implications: Not much difference. Dividends and distributions that go into SRS and CPF accounts are not taxed, but then again REIT distributions are not taxed at all and many company dividends are not taxed at the individual level. Capital gains are not taxed for any account. Lastly, even if tax is applicable, marginal rates are quite low so the tax shouldn't be too painful.

Investment restrictions: CPFIS and to a lesser extent SRS limit some investments such as stocks and funds, so naturally you can use your cash account for those if you have to own them.

Liquidity and time horizon: As SRS funds cannot be withdrawn until age 62 and CPF funds (above the MS) age 55, logically we would want to have long-term investments in those accounts, not e.g. fixed deposits. However, if you are already approaching either age, that doesn't apply. As CPFIS imposes custody and transaction fees based on counter and activity, it does not pay to trade actively using your CPF money. "Play" with your cash account if you must.

Lastly, a minor issue. For now, buying and holding stocks with CPF and SRS accounts means you cannot attend the company AGMs in your own name and you cannot vote your shares. They are changing the law but it will still take a few years. This is only if you want to attend AGMs and ask questions and vote.
 

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What are the differences between SRS operators, if any?

Not much difference. Fees and charges are all waived by DBS (and I believe OCBC too, but they do not state so online). UOB also waives all fees and charges except for Gold Certificate, Inter-Bank Transfer of account and Cancellation of Trade. All three operators give the standard interest of 0.05% pa for balances.

I suggest picking the one that is most convenient, like the one you do most of your business with.

Once I pick the SRS operator, what products can I invest outside that operator? Fund? Bond? ETF? Say, can I still buy ETF at SC's 0.18% instead of 0.275% at the SRS operator?

To buy exchange-listed stocks, bonds and ETFs, you can just tell your regular broker your SRS operator and account number and they will link it up. Unfortunately I think SC online trading does not allow SRS funds.

Besides exchanges, each SRS operator offers its own fixed deposits, bonds, unit trusts, insurance and other products but I am not sure whether regular non-HNWI investors can buy, say, HDB bonds.

Another way to access unit trusts is to use platforms like Dollardex or Fundsupermart that accept SRS funds.

Dollardex says that I can only invest the SRS contribution the year after. Is that true for all investment or is it DD only?

Where did you see this? I think you should be able to invest it soon after you bank in the money, not the year after.

What products do you recommend to put in SRS versus CPF versus cash accounts?

Tax implications: Not much difference. Dividends and distributions that go into SRS and CPF accounts are not taxed, but then again REIT distributions are not taxed at all and many company dividends are not taxed at the individual level. Capital gains are not taxed for any account. Lastly, even if tax is applicable, marginal rates are quite low so the tax shouldn't be too painful.

Investment restrictions: CPFIS and to a lesser extent SRS limit some investments such as stocks and funds, so naturally you can use your cash account for those if you have to own them.

Liquidity and time horizon: As SRS funds cannot be withdrawn until age 62 and CPF funds (above the MS) age 55, logically we would want to have long-term investments in those accounts, not e.g. fixed deposits. However, if you are already approaching either age, that doesn't apply. As CPFIS imposes custody and transaction fees based on counter and activity, it does not pay to trade actively using your CPF money. "Play" with your cash account if you must.

Lastly, a minor issue. For now, buying and holding stocks with CPF and SRS accounts means you cannot attend the company AGMs in your own name and you cannot vote your shares. They are changing the law but it will still take a few years. This is only if you want to attend AGMs and ask questions and vote.

Thanks for the comprehensive write up! I got a question: if we buy shares using SRS and it has rights issue, can we use the funds in SRS to subscribe to the shares?
 

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Thanks for the comprehensive write up! I got a question: if we buy shares using SRS and it has rights issue, can we use the funds in SRS to subscribe to the shares?

You're welcome! Yes, with a catch. If you have contributed the maximum $12,750 (for locals), you cannot exceed the cap in order to subscribe to the rights issue. Also, you have to liaise with your SRS operator to subscribe and not subscribe via ATM like you would with a cash account.
 

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I have been topping up SRS over the past 4 years, with the intention of buy shares. And I did.

No point to top up to leave cash in SRS.
 

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Anyone what happened for shares registered under SRS and proposed a right issue? Will the bank which I had SRS account informed me regarding the rights?
To subscribe for the rights, do I need to pay in cash (cheques) or top up my SRS account to use it to buy the rights? How about excess rights? Any different from your entitled rights? Thanks for all insights.
 

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I am exploring the tax saving options through SRS and have a couple questions. Please help me to understand better. Thanks a bunch!

  • What are the differences between SRS operators, if any?
  • Once I pick the SRS operator, what products can I invest outside that operator? Fund? Bond? ETF? Say, can I still buy ETF at SC's 0.18% instead of 0.275% at the SRS operator?
  • Dollardex says that I can only invest the SRS contribution the year after. Is that true for all investment or is it DD only?
  • What products do you recommend to put in SRS versus CPF versus cash accounts?

Really appreciate the help.

1. Theoretically, they may have different interest rates. However, practically, right now, they offer same rate.

Effectively speaking, you can move from one operator to another as you wish anytime. Therefore, effectively speaking, no difference.

2. Fund, yes, Bond, yes, ETF, yes. Many other Singapore stocks like DBS, Keppel etc, yes. ... however, no Standard Chartered I think.

3. I don't recommend. However, my practice is to put less volatile ones in SRS and forget. That means STI ETF (yes, paper loss now), ABF (yes, paper loss now), DBS (gained) and OCBC (paper loss now). I traded Keppel and SCI before using SRS.
 

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Do check the charges when you use the money inside to trade. The last time I read about it (1 year ago), the rates were different.
 
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