SUSS VS SIM-GE

[HolyAurora]

Hey guys, I'm currently 23 years old and Starting school in SUSS in July . However I am starting to have doubts whether that's the right choice for me because I hear alot of shitty stuff about SUSS.. So the prob is now I wonder whether it's better for me to go for UOL / UOB business management degrees instead where I can complete within 2-3 years instead of 4 years in suss.

Which is better though? Because based on my mentality I have this scenario in my head :

Imagine in year 2023
Person A: UOL grad with 2 years of working experience
Person B: suss grad with 6 months of working experience

It seems like person A has a brighter career prospect then person b.

Am I wrong?

 

[senpai4]

degree is degree no different though. Good luck

 

[nyvrem]

Hey guys, I'm currently 23 years old and Starting school in SUSS in July . However I am starting to have doubts whether that's the right choice for me because I hear alot of shitty stuff about SUSS.. So the prob is now I wonder whether it's better for me to go for UOL / UOB business management degrees instead where I can complete within 2-3 years instead of 4 years in suss.

Which is better though? Because based on my mentality I have this scenario in my head :

Imagine in year 2023
Person A: UOL grad with 2 years of working experience
Person B: suss grad with 6 months of working experience

It seems like person A has a brighter career prospect then person b.

Am I wrong?

your mentality also assumes that people are bound to get degree level paying jobs ? 100% employment ?

How about imagine in year 2023

Person A: UOL grad, jobless, or only jobs available are under paying types that offer a diploma level salary

Person B: Suss grad with 6 months of work experience and employed by a lower tier civil service/stat board offering base degree level salary.

Who's got the 'brighter prospects' now ?

 

[snoozex]

Hey guys, I'm currently 23 years old and Starting school in SUSS in July . However I am starting to have doubts whether that's the right choice for me because I hear alot of shitty stuff about SUSS.. So the prob is now I wonder whether it's better for me to go for UOL / UOB business management degrees instead where I can complete within 2-3 years instead of 4 years in suss.

Which is better though? Because based on my mentality I have this scenario in my head :

Imagine in year 2023
Person A: UOL grad with 2 years of working experience
Person B: suss grad with 6 months of working experience

It seems like person A has a brighter career prospect then person b.

Am I wrong?

Hi,


There are in fact many posts similar to your case in this forum... interestingly, there are people who got rejected by SUSS and have to seek alternatives like SIM-GE... I am wondering why did not you think carefully before applying especially now the course is starting in about 1 month time.



In addition, I am wondering why the person A has 2 years of experience when person B has only 6 months? Are you comparing apple with orange? Person A is part time while person B is full time? Why can't it be:


Person C: UOL grad with 2 years of working experience
Person D: SUSS grad with 4 years of working experience


Now which one do you think is better?



If you have bias against something, then it will be hard for you regardless which program. If you are keen in UOL, perhaps you want to consider the following:


- Are you sure you can pass UOL exam? (UOL is actually not too tough if you are prepared for it)
- Are you able to secure at least a second upper for UOL?
- Have you seen those postings concerning UOL? (e.g. I do hear about UOL vs RMIT and blah blah)

- How come you can complete UOL within 2/3 years? Through bridging course by SIM? Then why did not you try to get exemptions from SUSS?

- The "stigma" associated with a "private" degree


At the end of the day, it is you who has to decide. If you think SUSS is too long, then you can try to work hard to secure good gpa and then try to apply for more modules or academic overload. This is one way to shorten the length of the program. SUSS has pretty relaxed timetable, you can always use it for part time jobs to strengthen your resume. Or you can take some additional courses to add values to yourself.



One of the most interesting case that I have heard many years ago was a girl from NTU accountancy. Heard this from CIMA local-in-charge then that this girl was doing NTU, ACCA and CIMA all at the same time (even though this is a bit weird but it is possible due to different exam periods). NTU is rigourous and same for the two other professional accountancy programmes but you can see this girl was doing something to make herself more "valuable" to potential employers (actually a bit overkill). I also know of people attempting ACCA while in NTU/NUS back then (several studying BEng and ACCA)...



To be frank, the possibilities are unlimited... Rather than doubting, you should focus and think how you can get good grades and also make use of the 4 years to add values to yourself. You yourself makes the difference as no one can advise you on this actually...

 

[rabbit1]

Honestly, both are not the most ideal choices due to the stigma attached in both. If you want to join the government or government linked companies, SUSS will be a slightly better choice. If you're planning to look for opportunities overseas, SIM may provide a slight edge. Unlike NUS or NTU or UOL, SUSS is unheard of aboard. At the end of the day, both SUSS and SIM are at the bottom of the barrel, it's how you perform in your actual job that decides you future.

 

[PunkPrince]

 

[PunkPrince]

No doubt if you choose to enter SUSS, most probably you are rejected by most Singapore Universities the only exception is SIT since both are similar natured applied universities offering different programmes.

Otherwise you could be an aspiring Lawyer rejected by NUS and SMU.

However SUSS is still a local university with academic rigour endorsed by the MOE.

#GoLocal

 

[divasion]

your mentality also assumes that people are bound to get degree level paying jobs ? 100% employment ?

How about imagine in year 2023

Person A: UOL grad, jobless, or only jobs available are under paying types that offer a diploma level salary

Person B: Suss grad with 6 months of work experience and employed by a lower tier civil service/stat board offering base degree level salary.

Who's got the 'brighter prospects' now ?

agreed,i just graduated from suss with HR degree. Earning 2k only. Totally no experience fresh grad for hr (i think), the range around 1.9 to 2.3k max only. 2.5 is a good takeaway already but most likely wont get

 

[simon_84]

Person B: Suss grad with 6 months of work experience and employed by a lower tier civil service/stat board offering base degree level salary.

not all degrees are the same, lets face it since every HR requirement are different.
grad from suss in 2015, work with a sme FI who was only paying me 2.6k since they considered me as a fresh grad with no back office experience in an FI (was doing project support work previously so is hard to argue for related experience).

there was pay discrimination for fresh grads in different degrees in that FI:
local degree (NUS/NTU/SMU): 2.8k
overseas degree: 2.7k
suss, uol degree: 2.6k
kaplan, rmit degree, PSB: 2.4k to 2.5k

left that FI after 1 year and join vital which was a subsidiary under MOF, the HR recognize the degree and offered me 3.1k after calling up my previous company reference.
left vital after 2 years since they are not willing to emplace me.

so with an suss degree is really possible to join a lower tier CS organisation.
although i would argue that don't stay for too long else is very easy to lose touch with some of the industries best practices.

 

[simon_84]

agreed,i just graduated from suss with HR degree. Earning 2k only. Totally no experience fresh grad for hr (i think), the range around 1.9 to 2.3k max only. 2.5 is a good takeaway already but most likely wont get

actually your pay could be higher (at least 2.5k) however if you are a fresh grad then no choice, got to start from some where first.

 

[PunkPrince]

Bump for facts and figures.

 

[divasion]

actually your pay could be higher (at least 2.5k) however if you are a fresh grad then no choice, got to start from some where first.

the issue is nowadays hr job dont require hr degree.

so the jobstreet u will see qualifications for one position they may state as:
"o level/diploma/degree/" which means that hr job dont really require hr degree so that can afford to pay u diploma level pay.

and if ur saying 2.5k, most likely is after around 1-2 years exp as Hr den can get,if you see on job portals. there isnt any fresh grad job that pays 2.5k.

For example: "degree in HR (they put degree, not like the previous example)", no experience required (this means fresh grad job). if you manage to find any hr jobs that states the above and salary start from 2.5,that is actually insurance job, they dont really need hr.

 

[juventusfc27]

agreed,i just graduated from suss with HR degree. Earning 2k only. Totally no experience fresh grad for hr (i think), the range around 1.9 to 2.3k max only. 2.5 is a good takeaway already but most likely wont get

your 2k is b4 or after CPF?

if it's gross salary, it's super low for degree holder.

u can try applying for MINDEF DXO HR Manager using your degree (see link n pic below). they easily pay 2.8k n upwards. i know bcos i anyhow apply DXO executive post using my polytechnic dip n was called to the interview room. my asking salary was 2.3k

https://www.mindef.gov.sg/oms/dxo/careers-details.html

 

[divasion]

your 2k is b4 or after CPF?

if it's gross salary, it's super low for degree holder.

u can try applying for MINDEF DXO HR Manager using your degree (see link n pic below). they easily pay 2.8k n upwards. i know bcos i anyhow apply DXO executive post using my polytechnic dip n was called to the interview room. my asking salary was 2.3k

https://www.mindef.gov.sg/oms/dxo/careers-details.html

ya before cpf.after cpf get 1.6 only .for hr fresh grad, if can get 2.3k is already tou xiao (secretly can laugh) already.

Yes, i applied already and didnt gt.haha

yea, hr manager is dx9 equivalent in army which is sir's rank.

In addition, guys got ns so will add around 200 to 300 to the salary. Thus a hr degree holder with just a pass degree can get around borderline to near mid 3k

 

[nyvrem]

not all degrees are the same, lets face it since every HR requirement are different.
grad from suss in 2015, work with a sme FI who was only paying me 2.6k since they considered me as a fresh grad with no back office experience in an FI (was doing project support work previously so is hard to argue for related experience).

there was pay discrimination for fresh grads in different degrees in that FI:
local degree (NUS/NTU/SMU): 2.8k
overseas degree: 2.7k
suss, uol degree: 2.6k
kaplan, rmit degree, PSB: 2.4k to 2.5k

left that FI after 1 year and join vital which was a subsidiary under MOF, the HR recognize the degree and offered me 3.1k after calling up my previous company reference.
left vital after 2 years since they are not willing to emplace me.

so with an suss degree is really possible to join a lower tier CS organisation.
although i would argue that don't stay for too long else is very easy to lose touch with some of the industries best practices.

sadly this is the environment we live in, but it's good to know civil service does acknowledge a SUSS (formerly sim) degree for salary remuneration.

it's also true not all degrees are the same. if u had an SUSS social work degree, high chance you'd get a job with MSF, NCSS or even MOE since there's only 2 programs in SG that lets you become a licences social worker.

But i notice TS wants to do business. honestly a business degree is v. general. i dunno how TS is going to stand out and have 'good prospects'. bigger picture, he'll be competing with NUS/NBS, followed by those who actually went overseas to study. it's a v. large pool of candidates companies can look at if they're looking for a business grad.

 

[Shion]

SIT seems to be more recognized than SUSS

 

[PunkPrince]

Straits Times

The New Paper

Social workers fresh out of university, including those with a degree in social work from the Singapore University of Social Sciences or a Bachelor of Social Sciences with a major in social work from the National University of Singapore, will now earn $3,400 a month, up 4 per cent from $3,270.

sadly this is the environment we live in, but it's good to know civil service does acknowledge a SUSS (formerly sim) degree for salary remuneration.

it's also true not all degrees are the same. if u had an SUSS social work degree, high chance you'd get a job with MSF, NCSS or even MOE since there's only 2 programs in SG that lets you become a licences social worker.

But i notice TS wants to do business. honestly a business degree is v. general. i dunno how TS is going to stand out and have 'good prospects'. bigger picture, he'll be competing with NUS/NBS, followed by those who actually went overseas to study. it's a v. large pool of candidates companies can look at if they're looking for a business grad.

 

[simon_84]

the issue is nowadays hr job dont require hr degree.

so the jobstreet u will see qualifications for one position they may state as:
"o level/diploma/degree/" which means that hr job dont really require hr degree so that can afford to pay u diploma level pay.

and if ur saying 2.5k, most likely is after around 1-2 years exp as Hr den can get,if you see on job portals. there isnt any fresh grad job that pays 2.5k.

For example: "degree in HR (they put degree, not like the previous example)", no experience required (this means fresh grad job). if you manage to find any hr jobs that states the above and salary start from 2.5,that is actually insurance job, they dont really need hr.

well if you are from suss, you can always try vital for a hr related job in CS and see if they are willing to pay the degree range for MX13.
though they have quite some amount of hr personal from suss.

 

[simon_84]

sadly this is the environment we live in, but it's good to know civil service does acknowledge a SUSS (formerly sim) degree for salary remuneration.

it's also true not all degrees are the same. if u had an SUSS social work degree, high chance you'd get a job with MSF, NCSS or even MOE since there's only 2 programs in SG that lets you become a licences social worker.

But i notice TS wants to do business. honestly a business degree is v. general. i dunno how TS is going to stand out and have 'good prospects'. bigger picture, he'll be competing with NUS/NBS, followed by those who actually went overseas to study. it's a v. large pool of candidates companies can look at if they're looking for a business grad.

unisim to be exact, was its former name before suss.

was from the finance course and tbh, it was also a bit generic.
currently drawing a pay that was higher than what the finance industry was willing to pay me and no longer need to compete with our younger grads from local uni.

 

[Shion]

well if you are from suss, you can always try vital for a hr related job in CS and see if they are willing to pay the degree range for MX13.
though they have quite some amount of hr personal from suss.

Any ideas for their Finance related jobs ?