The Nexus 4 Thread

[Ratix0]

Or make it big, buy from him at 620 SGD and go ebay flip flip flip 600USD.

 

[JudeBox]

The above statement is no longer valid as you had promised him that u will buy from his 'friend' thus willing buyer/seller.

Hi MGeaR356! can explain why its no longer valid? He says that by taking up the offer of $620 it imply the acceptance of transferring of deposit from the initial order to the second offer. In this case, i did not say or mean anything about transferring of deposit. Neither did he say anything about it. He just assumed so. And how could he? Yes, its also my fault for not mentioning anything about the deposit but i just thought can save the hassle. And he told me hes doing a business but wheres the integrity?

Anyway.. i think you agree with me its just a simple buy and sell transaction. He insist that its an order to him for his friend.In what way is it an order? From what he told me, he's friend managed to get a set from google and wants to sell it away. It doesnt even require deposit in the first place. Its not as if im paying his friend to order for me. Right?

 

[StaryNight88]

Erm... Hi guys, my current phone and plan is the old 12GB plan which limits the download speed to 7.2 Mbps.

If I were to get the N4 which I am considering between this and the Lumia 920, will my plan be auto upgraded to a faster 3G speed? Singtel says its newest 3G(not 4G) can up to 42 Mbps.

 

[JudeBox]

He has the right to retain the deposit provided that you have agreed on the $650 price tag. If not get it back.

If you agree on the new price than buyer remorse you want to cancel order, I think it's only right that the deposit is forfeited.

Like buying resale flat, I paid for the deposit to ensure that the seller will not sell to someone else. If I don't want, the deposit by law should be forfeited. If I want to live in the flat later, then I pay the balance to live lor. Singapore law not sure got buyer remorse law or not. Even if have I think not applicable in your case la since its not a big ticket item.

Anyway, try to work out with the seller. Give him/ her a call and explain, try to settle amicably.

Hi starrynight. Thanks for your advice! i don't really see the link to buying a resale flat. Its more like a simple transaction. You can take a look in the market place section in hardware zone. His friend managed to order a set from google and decided to sell it away. His friend requested him to sell it away for him. In this case, he's the middleman and his friend is the seller. I dont see the need for deposit in the first place. Its just a simple buying and selling of item.
I really want to settle amicably but looking at where is going, i doubt so.

 

[JudeBox]

Thats stretching it already. I can also say that by him not getting you the $530 Nexus 4, implies that he owes you $530. Same logic.

Exactly! whats worse is, he told me he's doing a business. Wheres is the integrity man.
Anyway! thanks! will keep your advice in mind

 

[MGeaR356]

Hi MGeaR356! can explain why its no longer valid? He says that by taking up the offer of $620 it imply the acceptance of transferring of deposit from the initial order to the second offer. In this case, i did not say or mean anything about transferring of deposit. Neither did he say anything about it. He just assumed so. And how could he? Yes, its also my fault for not mentioning anything about the deposit but i just thought can save the hassle. And he told me hes doing a business but wheres the integrity?

Anyway.. i think you agree with me its just a simple buy and sell transaction. He insist that its an order to him for his friend.In what way is it an order? From what he told me, he's friend managed to get a set from google and wants to sell it away. It doesnt even require deposit in the first place. Its not as if im paying his friend to order for me. Right?

oh now i see it in a different picture

Seller offers 650 and took your pre-order $100 deposit to offset this new price. But then you should have clarified if that was the case and requested him to transfer you back the 100 before striking the 650 deal with him.

However, do remember that you did promise him and I think it is fair for him to take the $100 as compensation if indeed he made a deal with his friend.

 

[KB]

the resale flat analogy doesn't work here la.

deposit was placed for item A, now seller cannot deliver, in fact seller is the one at fault. item B is another thing altogether, even though item A and B are the same product. different contract. deposit from one should not be transferrable to another unless both parties agreed.

which in this case didn't happen. unless buyer did say ok for that but hiding it from us.

 

[StaryNight88]

Hi MGeaR356! can explain why its no longer valid? He says that by taking up the offer of $620 it imply the acceptance of transferring of deposit from the initial order to the second offer. In this case, i did not say or mean anything about transferring of deposit. Neither did he say anything about it. He just assumed so. And how could he? Yes, its also my fault for not mentioning anything about the deposit but i just thought can save the hassle. And he told me hes doing a business but wheres the integrity?

Anyway.. i think you agree with me its just a simple buy and sell transaction. He insist that its an order to him for his friend.In what way is it an order? From what he told me, he's friend managed to get a set from google and wants to sell it away. It doesnt even require deposit in the first place. Its not as if im paying his friend to order for me. Right?

Aiyo just face it lar, the point is you accepted the offer for the $620 (correct me if I am wrong)

Whether is it an order or simple transaction, sellers have the right to ask for a deposit. If you have given him the deposit for the initial Nexus 4 $530 and he didn't fulfill he should return the deposit. Reading your post, it seems that he/ she wanted to return the deposit but you actually rejected. Not his fault, you didn't give him the opportunity to return the deposit.

He offer to sell you the N4 at $620, you accepted. Logically, the deposit is now transferred to the new $620 phone to pay for a security that you got a N4. How could he be at fault when you accept offer from the same person? It's like paying for the hotel, I booked a single room and paid a deposit from the same hotel. I want to upgrade to the same room with city view, I pay more. Hotel says ok, then I want the deposit back cause I think the view is not nice lol then dun want to say, do you think the hotel will refund you the deposit?

 

[JudeBox]

oh now i see it in a different picture

Seller offers 650 and took your pre-order $100 deposit to offset this new price. But then you should have clarified if that was the case and requested him to transfer you back the 100 before striking the 650 deal with him.

However, do remember that you did promise him and I think it is fair for him to take the $100 as compensation if indeed he made a deal with his friend.

Yes its my fault for not clarifying with him. But how could he assume that i accept the transferring of the $200 deposit to the second offer? Which he didn't mention in the first place.
Till now i dont agree about the deposit. But from where you are coming, i also think its fair for him to take deposit IF he asked me about transferring the initial deposit of $200 to the second offer. But he did not. yeaaaa

 

[MGeaR356]

Aiyo just face it lar, the point is you accepted the offer for the $620 (correct me if I am wrong)

Whether is it an order or simple transaction, sellers have the right to ask for a deposit. If you have given him the deposit for the initial Nexus 4 $530 and he didn't fulfill he should return the deposit. Reading your post, it seems that he/ she wanted to return the deposit but you actually rejected. Not his fault, you didn't give him the opportunity to return the deposit.

He offer to sell you the N4 at $620, you accepted. Logically, the deposit is now transferred to the new $620 phone to pay for a security that you got a N4. How could he be at fault when you accept offer from the same person? It's like paying for the hotel, I booked a single room and paid a deposit from the same hotel. I want to upgrade to the same room with city view, I pay more. Hotel says ok, then I want the deposit back cause I think the view is not nice lol then dun want to say, do you think the hotel will refund you the deposit?

i agree with this.

Its more of a 'buey steady' case and if the seller did return you $100, its really pure goodwill and you got lucky.

 

[MGeaR356]

Yes its my fault for not clarifying with him. But how could he assume that i accept the transferring of the $200 deposit to the second offer? Which he didn't mention in the first place.
Till now i dont agree about the deposit. But from where you are coming, i also think its fair for him to take deposit IF he asked me about transferring the initial deposit of $200 to the second offer. But he did not. yeaaaa

he did not but you can also ask mah? By default you didn't ask, any logical seller would have use it to offset it.

Lets paint the picture in another way. You agree with the 650 without listening to your gf. Would have have requested him to return u the $100 deposit and pay him the full amount of $650?

 

[JudeBox]

Aiyo just face it lar, the point is you accepted the offer for the $620 (correct me if I am wrong)

Whether is it an order or simple transaction, sellers have the right to ask for a deposit. If you have given him the deposit for the initial Nexus 4 $530 and he didn't fulfill he should return the deposit. Reading your post, it seems that he/ she wanted to return the deposit but you actually rejected. Not his fault, you didn't give him the opportunity to return the deposit.

He offer to sell you the N4 at $620, you accepted. Logically, the deposit is now transferred to the new $620 phone to pay for a security that you got a N4. How could he be at fault when you accept offer from the same person? It's like paying for the hotel, I booked a single room and paid a deposit from the same hotel. I want to upgrade to the same room with city view, I pay more. Hotel says ok, then I want the deposit back cause I think the view is not nice lol then dun want to say, do you think the hotel will refund you the deposit?

I rejected because i thought there would be a second order. But there wasnt. So he told me that he wanted to return. I gave him my account number and told him to transfer back. Followed by which, he message me and tell me about the second offer. No? how could he assume that i want the deposit to transfer to the new offer? Im sorry but i dont really agree with your example.. But anyways thanks

 

[StaryNight88]

Just settle amicably with the seller lar, from what I can see now both party are at fault but the point is who is more at fault?

Buyer
1. Agreed on the new price (why did you agree in the first place without seeking your girlfriend opinion?)
2. Did not want to order as girlfriend think too expensive (I think it's ok le considering that a Nokia 920 or iPhone is more ex)

Seller
1. Cancel the order but did not refund immediately
2. Transfer the deposit for the $620 N4 without informing you (though I think it's logical haha)

And on any forum, there's going to be many opinions about this issue. One may be siding the seller one the buyer etc. we all see what's right and what's wrong differently, just contact the seller to settle bah.

 

[JudeBox]

he did not but you can also ask mah? By default you didn't ask, any logical seller would have use it to offset it.

Lets paint the picture in another way. You agree with the 650 without listening to your gf. Would have have requested him to return u the $100 deposit and pay him the full amount of $650?

offsetting the price and deposit is different.. the rationale behind those 2 is different? no?
Yes i should have done the way you painted the picture.. But its too late sight

 

[StaryNight88]

I rejected because i thought there would be a second order. But there wasnt. So he told me that he wanted to return. I gave him my account number and told him to transfer back. Followed by which, he message me and tell me about the second offer. No? how could he assume that i want the deposit to transfer to the new offer? Im sorry but i dont really agree with your example.. But anyways thanks

From the way you put it, it's only logical for him to transfer the deposit to the carrot phone.

If he don't this is going to happen:
1. He transfer you back the money for the failed order
2. You transfer again the same amount for the new carrot order

It would be very wise isn't it? Especially when he can by any logic just transfer the funds to the carrot phone.

And more importantly at that point of time, you accepted the carrot. If you cancel now, it's buyer remorse and he has the right to retain the deposit.

 

[JudeBox]

Just settle amicably with the seller lar, from what I can see now both party are at fault but the point is who is more at fault?

Buyer
1. Agreed on the new price (why did you agree in the first place without seeking your girlfriend opinion?)
2. Did not want to order as girlfriend think too expensive (I think it's ok le considering that a Nokia 920 or iPhone is more ex)

Seller
1. Cancel the order but did not refund immediately
2. Transfer the deposit for the $620 N4 without informing you (though I think it's logical haha)

And on any forum, there's going to be many opinions about this issue. One may be siding the seller one the buyer etc. we all see what's right and what's wrong differently, just contact the seller to settle bah.

haha totally agree with your points beside the logical part. considering the fact that the MO cost is $530. His offer was $650. You see.
Yea im still contacting him to settle this issue.
Thanks!

 

[StaryNight88]

haha totally agree with your points beside the logical part. considering the fact that the MO cost is $530. His offer was $650. You see.
Yea im still contacting him to settle this issue.
Thanks!

Hmm... I explained the logic liao. I think right now, you just have to learn to accept it that there's consequences for every decision you make. I am not sure how old are you but you really have got a lot to learn.

 

[galapogos]

How did a Nexus 4 thread turn into a bunch of people playing police/lawyers?

Settle this dispute yourself, Jude. Let's get back on topic.

 

[emuji]

Erm... Hi guys, my current phone and plan is the old 12GB plan which limits the download speed to 7.2 Mbps.

If I were to get the N4 which I am considering between this and the Lumia 920, will my plan be auto upgraded to a faster 3G speed? Singtel says its newest 3G(not 4G) can up to 42 Mbps.

i don't quite get you. isn't you who is the one choosing the plan?

 

[JudeBox]

Hmm... I explained the logic liao. I think right now, you just have to learn to accept it that there's consequences for every decision you make. I am not sure how old are you but you really have got a lot to learn.

Different people view things differently. Logic to you doesnt mean logic to me. Vice versa. Yea i have definitely got lots to learn but the seller being someone that does a business has lots to learn as well. i guess i will just suck thumb, accept the $620 and sexpose him uh.