The Spectacles Thread.

[oldbreadstinks]

yes you are surely right. But sg market is too small to be even talked about. How much people do we have? Less than 5 million? How can you compare such a small conutry to japan, which is the 3rd largest economy in the world & has a much bigger population than us? Do you think japan will even give a hoot whether their brands can sell in sg?

Pls la... they are only concerned about their own. So, even if one day sg dont carry jap frames anymore and im not able to persuade my optician to get for me, i will fly to japan myself & buy directly from there. At all costs. If that day ever comes when i can no longer get my hands on any suitable jap frames in sg.

Becos i will not force myself to accept euro fit that will just make my life uncomfotable as hell.

well actually they do care which is a big reason when a lot of japanese salarymen suddenly found themselves going for english classes.
the market in japan can no longer support their economy, they don't have much of a choice, plus anyway quite a few of the japanese brands are carried by local distributers so the pushing part is done by local salesmen. nothing to concern with what the japanese think about overseas sales.

in town areas people would try on frames , new stuff whether they know the brand or not, which is why you have shops bringing in eu brands directly rather than from a local wholesaler.
which comes to the point again,someone tried it and it didn't work out.
as long as it doesn't sell by itself it's not going to get support.
other factors matter as well of course but coming into trade infomation you're already basing your judgment on how your face feels and not how the actual situation is
and if I say more you'll say I have a know it all attitude because I reject your view.


as for the market size, remember, singapore despite it's size is actually very dense in population and comes with a highly myopic population.
we're talking about walking into another country and having people stop you and ask if you're singaporean simply because you're wearing glasses.

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Seannie bro, personally, I find that 999.9 and Japonism are great frames, comfortable, BUT, of my 4 frames, only 1 pair fits me! LOL !

I have 2 pairs of 999.9, and 2 pairs of Japonism, but they all happen to be more design inclined than fit oriented. Only my full bamboo Japonism give me the best fit.

It's not fair not to recommend them! They are fantastic frames. But, although they are asian fit, not all will suit us. They are also not cheap here (I strongly believe they have been over-priced), so do spend lots of time trying them out.

I'm more a celluloid frame fan, so I'll leave the metal advices to bros Seannie & Oldbreadstinks and the rest.

I've never seriously worn a metal pair of glasses my whole life

never could stand the feel long enough
ones I had? chucked somewhere I don't remember.
I only seem to like plastics

besides my lens size needs to be at least 58 for my vision to be comfortable .

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Dont worry about being an annoyance to the optician. It is his/her job & responsibility & moral ethics to be providing you with all the necessary services that you require and all the info which you need to be aware of whether or not you decide to buy from this optician or not later on. And he/she should not even be letting you feel that you are an irritant or annoyant. If you meet this type of opticians, please just leave the shop and not force yourself to accept this kind of service.

If you feel that trying out a specs is unnecessary then its ok. But if you feel that you do not want to take your time to try out specs due to the optician's attitude, i think it is unacceptable. Do not patronise such shops or return for their service again. Customers should not be treated this way. And it is not as if we are not paying for their service, so why should we compromise?

Just think about it.

are you sure you're paying them for their services?
not in local culture/context. definitely not because you bought glasses.
any tipping? do people here actually reject a discount because the service is good? nope never heard of that. in fact good service is often punished with lousier customers in singapore or a heavier workload without rewards.

serivce goes both ways. if you can't create an environment as a customer for the serivce provider to serve and your money being the only carrot, chances are the service would be horrible.
why else do local retail staff like to serve ang mos? even the majority of the filipino pmets make better customers, simply by smiling. how much you spend or whether you're even going to spend comes 2nd.


it's also likely that a good service provider works in a place that has no care for after sales service
or you might encounter a lousy staff in a place that provides great service.



a story some of you might have seen before in other situations.

an(elderly) optometrist whom I've never seen charging for nosepads , even strangers get them free from him.
one day gave me a shocker by charging a guy $5 for them simply because he knew charging the guy would pissed him off
why? because the guy swaggered in and expected them to be changed free(he said something along the lines of "I'm your customer" )
guy vows never to come back naturally.
the optometirist? never gave a shat about the guy , and rather he never come back.
(the optometrist is a boss now, still don't give a shat about the guy, will still tell him to **** off)


so before you think your money is that great , think again.
you can probably get lots of stuff and services with a better attitude.





seriously if you haven't noticed it by now, you have a very militant attitude towards the optical trade

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Thank you for the prompt reply. My doubts are more on the part of trying out the array of eyewear.

As you've mentioned, "if the frame doesn't fit you within 15 mins there's no point carrying on." I have never consider trying on the glasses for a substantial period of time before making the order, perhaps part of me feel it's unnecessary, and an annoyance to the optician.

I believe for most, we put it on, view our mugs in the mirror, and order. Akin to footwear, we tend to favour form to function, until pain & dissatisfaction comes along. Thus, what is the textbook process of assessing a good fit without being annoying?

For what it's worth, I am benefitting from your exchange with Seannie. Will milk that customer service, hopefully, without being an irritant.

I've served customers for 3 hours at a regular basis. in fact it's actually quite common
but it helps to soften the blow by telling the staff you're just browsing and not out to buy unless it's something really awesome(dun frame?)

let them choose their attitude from there. I'm still of the idea that if you don't invest time initially, you're unlikely to provide aftersales services later on.


and they can tell if you're truly looking and can't find something or you're out for window shopping only.


I took 1 year and a half to put together my last pair of glasses
one lady I think once served a customer from 3 til 7-8pm?
not all can be expected to walk in and buy on the spot

if you have ****ty eyes and you've found something you're seriously considering
keep it on for a while to test the initial fit to see it it matches your wearing style, then request for the demo lenses to be remove and take a picture .
it's better than using the mirror.(good camera or good camera phone please)

 

[oldbreadstinks]

You think i dont know the quality of Charmant? I own one of charmant's top premium frame myself, so how will i not know? I pretty much know for sure quality of the metal works. It is DEFINITELY not as superb as you have said. Mine lies at home now with the supposedly "excellence" titan bent out of shape by a mere twist of my fingers, not even by much strength it goes out of shape & cant be reshaped back, beecame a piece of distorted metal.

I am not wowed by CHarmant at all. I even discovered some flaws in craftsmanship as well as material in my own pair which i owned not too long ago.

And Dun Gummetal is definitely not of this kind of soft quality. It is enough flexibility for comfort wear but at the same time enough strength.

And ya since you do not agree with my comments that's fine, i shall not post to you and end up getting whacked. Im old enough to know i dont need this kind of beating from you. Im just posting for other readers whom i think ought to know the truth.

And im not particularly siding any brand at all here. I have worn too many brands so much so that I know what is a good frame when i wear one now.

As for IC!Berlin, yeah, maybe you think it can be adjusted slightly but that is only that much of adjustment you can make, you cant chnage the temple shape entirely to fit big heads. So the original design of the fitting is very important, no amount of skill of an optician can do better than a good fit. I never said one size fits all. Im just saying Dun suits bigger heads. Ofcos when you try & it doesnt fit you then you ought not to take it. My comments are just for reference only, not anything else.

And yes, if you ask me, im rather pissed by your optician-knows-better kind of attitude.

welcome back, atypical.. i have been under heavy fire. Finally there is someone who can back my case. I believe you also supportive of Japanese frames, like Dun etc?

you're under fire and being whacked because I reject your views?
beating from me? are you actually threatening yourself with violence using me??

the general idea is to at least allow the other side to initiate the threat first. punching yourself first doesn't count.

flaws in the craftsmanship can be attributed to manufacturing defects.(which means it can be sent back for exchange)
as for your finger test.........considering you're someone who can damage an ic!berlin from fiddling with it I'm not so sure your "finger test" actually makes sense.

you're not siding with any brand? go through your last 20 posts in the spec thread.
then look at mine.

in fact I've made sure I don't have a strong stand where frames are concern.

as for my know better attitude, other than retail information I believe I've only spoken up against you more strongly after you started saying things like how a strong wind blows your glasses and makes the wearer giddy..... (do you think that actually makes sense?)


if anyone should be pissed it should be me from reading your postings, certainly not you.
if you don't believe me on this last point go back and read your words on my trade. I don't think it's the kind that draws tender love and undying admiration.

ah but you don't care of course, I must seem evil to you because I don't agree

 

[oldbreadstinks]

In my view, as long as you think that the frame suits you, it is the perfect frame, regardless of what others may think of it. Others may think that my frame is a trash, but if it is the best available fit for me, then i see it as a gem.

To add, i do not look for quality as my priority. I look for COMFORT first. If a frame does not serve me comfortably on my face, it will be useless even if it may be made in the top quality way. FIT is eqaully important. For example, same brand but different models will fit differently due to different sizes. So one model of size 55 fits me well but another model of size 53 from the same brand might just feel too tight on me.

So of cos everything is very subjective. Its all about understanding.

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.10kkj

 

[fourseasons2000]

Are u hinting that we should not consider photofusion? What lens are well known for coating and clarity? Sola?


QUOTE=oldbreadstinks;73139432]photofusion changes quite fast, they're just as fast if not faster than transitions

but as for changing back, it's slower for all of them. nothing really noticeable. you might as well choose your lens based on other factors like coating/clarity/cost[/QUOTE]

 

[oldbreadstinks]

if you have the intention to buy, yes , ask for price list. don't just step into the optical shop and ask people to show you the price list.

if you just want to ask price, ask specific questions. for example, some would ask "how much is your progressive lens". if you ask like that, don't expect the optical shop to give you a specific price as there are so many brands, and materials coatings etc. Unless of cos they have packages.

also if you want to compare price, for example transition lenses, don't walk in and ask how much is your transitions lenses. if you want to compare a specific brand, tell the optician upfront the brand , index, etc so that you can compare apple with apple. otherwise don't expect a specific answers.

in short , if you want to compare price, make sure you tell the optician specifically the product that you want to compare.

the price list thing is a bit murky
because some places actually don't mind say if you were to walk pass and ask if you can look at their hoya/zeiss/essilor price lists
most places do show you in the shopping malls if your skin is thick enough to carry that off
I've met browsers who would walk in and ask to read the price lists, catalogues and stuff
asking for specific items help.
just don't ask and sit there for an hour or more and browse through their catalogues/price lists

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Are u hinting that we should not consider photofusion? What lens are well known for coating and clarity? Sola?

no, I'm just saying they both work well.
I'm getting photofusion next so I don't suspect the quality
but I just don't feel there's a difference in choosing a lens for the speed of turning clear since the difference isn't noticeble

photofusions starts turning dark in seconds, quite dark as well but your actual wearing situation plays a part

there was a guy who came back after a month to complain his transitions don't change much
turns out he alwys wears a cap outdoors plus they don't turn much during driving

 

[oldbreadstinks]

Problem is that some shops, the sale people(s) ONLY know Brand, Index, Plastic/Glass, rough product series (NOT exact name), ba ba ba ... quote ba ba ba rough price;

then ask for exact name series and price BUT CANNOT answer and later ....

Is Optometrists the sale people(s)...?





"Lemon" Law .... Buyer want to buy somethings that is the stated product.
How Customer know that the purchased product is the stated product?
<Glass/plastic> ... Brand? Index? Series type? Ba ba ba?
e.g. Series type have S1, S2, S3, S4, S5 corresponding to price P1, P2, P3, P4, P5 {P1>P2>P3>P4>P5} , If customer paid {"BRANDED"} for S2..P2 but is given S3, or use other brand with similar but much cheaper....
How customer know?


GOOD shop and good sale people will able to tell you the difference S1,S2, ....
AND you get what you purchased.



Thanks.

==================[/QUOTE]

eh.... first off you did label them as sales people? so I'll assume so?

their job is to sell?

I don't quite get your series question? but if you are aware of a specific product and is interested in it they should be able to get you that if you have the name?

but for lenses unless the optician is really experienced generally a shop would have a lab they support more and their knowledge is more about that particular lab.

there's no such thing as a rough price if they have all the info ?

example if you want short sighted lenses for zeiss high index -3.75degrees

it'll be zeiss clarity 1.6 $240
and it comes printed on a card with the details (lens model/prescription) on it?

 

[ohj81]

Which shop at Adelphi? Means the temple length don't suit you. You got to look for models with longer length so that sits nicely on your ears, most likely you need at least 140mm or more.

The shop beside UOB. Anyway, the price is on the high side as they charge the lens at published price.

 

[Seannie]

other factors matter as well of course but coming into trade infomation you're already basing your judgment on how your face feels and not how the actual situation is
and if I say more you'll say I have a know it all attitude because I reject your view.


as for the market size, remember, singapore despite it's size is actually very dense in population and comes with a highly myopic population.
we're talking about walking into another country and having people stop you and ask if you're singaporean simply because you're wearing glasses.

Frankly I don't care about sales. As long as I am able to get my comfortable wear, whether they sell or don sell really doesn't matter. I think people in SG should start to look at Functionality more than popularity of brands instead. To me that is the most impt aspect. Other than that I will not continue to comment and keep repeating myself. I think most forumers here alry got what I meant in my posts.

For your reference, Japan comes close to myopic density as well. They are also one of the countries having many myopic patients. At the most, they lost to Singapore that's all. So you can't say that just becos we are wearing specs then can assume we come from Singapore. That kind of thinking is really from shallow people.

 

[TearPiakShoot]

Got a pair of Ray-Ban New Wayfarer sunglasses online and want to use the frame only so need to change the lens

Where can I get the optician to change the lens for me and any recommendation for the lens?

 

[Seannie]

you're under fire and being whacked because I reject your views?
beating from me? are you actually threatening yourself with violence using me??

the general idea is to at least allow the other side to initiate the threat first. punching yourself first doesn't count.

flaws in the craftsmanship can be attributed to manufacturing defects.(which means it can be sent back for exchange)
as for your finger test.........considering you're someone who can damage an ic!berlin from fiddling with it I'm not so sure your "finger test" actually makes sense.

you're not siding with any brand? go through your last 20 posts in the spec thread.
then look at mine.

in fact I've made sure I don't have a strong stand where frames are concern.

as for my know better attitude, other than retail information I believe I've only spoken up against you more strongly after you started saying things like how a strong wind blows your glasses and makes the wearer giddy..... (do you think that actually makes sense?)


if anyone should be pissed it should be me from reading your postings, certainly not you.
if you don't believe me on this last point go back and read your words on my trade. I don't think it's the kind that draws tender love and undying admiration.

ah but you don't care of course, I must seem evil to you because I don't agree

You are not evil it's just tat you can't understand my views from a consumer point of view. Icberlin hinge didn't break it just becomes twisted when I try to dismantle the frame from the lens. According to reliable sources, both from my optician and the founder of icberlin we can actually remove ourselves but after the hinges got twisted I realize that's not the case. Not sure whether its the inconsistency nature of the hinge mechanism or some other things. Anyway I'm not gg to pinpoint that icberlin is not good. I'm just saying from my OWN experience. Not everyone gg to have similar experiences anyway.

But if many ppl encounter the same problem, just as in swissflex slippage problem, then you really got to stop and think before buying. I owned swissflex and my problem is the same as many folks out there. They just seem to slip off easily. Ya I know your face is super glue. But not everyone has the same face as you. Mine didn't work at all. Not even 25% of functionality.

As for the part on strong wind, it only applies to hamamoto frames due to its design. The lens so of flap in the wing causing instability in vision. I owned hamamoto so I understand the problem. Do you own one yourself to be so wise? If forumers don't believe me they can jolly well go try out the hamamoto and see for themselves. Just pray hard no strong wind.

Your words are stronger due to your bias against certain group of consumers and your misunderstanding of their problems. Not your fault really. Just your way of thinking and perception. Sometimes in an argument, one party will just insist their point and the other party also insist theirs. That's how an argument starts and usually there is no way to resolve it till one party gives in.

If you are married, you will jolly well know what I'm saying.

 

[2pm2am]

the price list thing is a bit murky
because some places actually don't mind say if you were to walk pass and ask if you can look at their hoya/zeiss/essilor price lists
most places do show you in the shopping malls if your skin is thick enough to carry that off
I've met browsers who would walk in and ask to read the price lists, catalogues and stuff
asking for specific items help.
just don't ask and sit there for an hour or more and browse through their catalogues/price lists

Luckily these are only very few cases. but it's kinda rude to just walk in and ask for the price list. The optical shop has no obligation to show you the price list. Especially when they are busy.

 

[rose13lood]

hi guys,

i'm totally new into this whole spectacle business thingy. the last time i got my eyes checked was years ago. the only facts i remembered were 100deg (left eye) and 125deg (right eye).

i have not a single clue about indexing and all as i'm browsing through the pages. so hopefully you guys would be able to help me out on some stuff here as my spectacle is rather scratched up and its time to invest in a proper pair now.

Lens:
- Glass or Plastic(?)
- Anti-fog properties
- Anti-scratch properties
- Not too heavy
- Transition(?)

Frame:
- Comfortable
- The hinge at the nose bridge (i have no idea which is good. the plastic ones with the screws or without.)
- Black
- Preferably wooden.

what is the rough budget i must set aside for a decent pair? (to last for at least 2 years with proper care). also i have a face shape of an upside down pentagon. so what would be the frame shape that you guys would recommend?

would appreciate a lot if you guys could offer me some tips as well as solutions to my queries

just FYI, i'm not going to the army or anything of that sort in case you're wondering.

 

[primetime71]

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Looking to sell a pair of "good-as-new" Masaki Matsushima MF-1148 (Gunmetal) frame at $300 as lens width size (57) is too big for me. Wore it less than 3 times.

Comes with the spectacle case.

Retailing at $480 in most optical shops.

MF-1148(2012 OPTICAL FRAMES COLLECTION) | Products | Masaki Matsushima eyes

Please contact me @9691 6063.
COD. Deal at Raffles Place / CCK / Bt Panjang.

 

[clause]

Hello all,

after following and reading pages after pages. I realize you guys are talking a lot about different frames. Does Seng Li carry all those frames?

I'm getting another pair of spec soon and I just want to ask regarding the lense.

I'm using crizal lense at the moment. Nothing to fanciful really. Feels normal to me.

What brand do you all usually go for? Carl Zeis? Hoya? Nikon?

Usually for the lense, most of the time it will be UV ray coated right? What other coating should I look for?

Don't need a transition lense.

Another thing is that, my index are

- astig of 125 on each side
- left side 50 degree.

Any idea of the price for the lens?

Thank you so much, I appreciate it a lot.

 

[Seannie]

seriously if you haven't noticed it by now, you have a very militant attitude towards the optical trade

that is simply becos, you have a misunderstood perception of what i say or think.

i realise that you have been distorting a lot of the things i have said, such that i am reflected to be a bad guy, a bad customer.

If you think i have this kind of attitude or this kind of thinking, you can double check with 2pm2am. If he too thinks the same way as you, then i will have nothing more to say. Pm him or public it doesnt matter to me. Im open to all criticisms or comments.

Anyway i have already found my ideal optician. So frankly i really know what i am toking about here. Not spouting rubbish. The only reason why you cant get what im saying is becos you still cant see what im seeing so ofcos my words just seem absurd to you. Or i could have put across my words in such a way that you misinterpret. Or another possibility is that you cant really understand the english im posting here. The possibility that you are trying to put me down in this forum dont seem logical.

 

[Seannie]

Luckily these are only very few cases. but it's kinda rude to just walk in and ask for the price list. The optical shop has no obligation to show you the price list. Especially when they are busy.

i seldom ask opticians much about prices nowadays. Becos quite standard. If they are selling at the retail price thats fine with me. I will just ask for a discount once after deciding on the frame & lenses and wont keep bargaining for a second price. The more important aspects im looking at are their service, the quality of the product they carry and ofcos the finished product.

For example, my optician can make sure that he/she do a proper job taking down my eye measurements, axis, PD & some other more technical terms which im not so familiar with and which i dont see other opticians elsewhere doing that. The end product when i received it can be prove of my optician's efforts and sincerity. Some opticians simply dont care whether the finished product can be passed on to customers or not. I ever experienced opticians who simply dont check the finished product at all when they receive from the lab and just pass on to customers like that. Sometimes i know that vision is not that perfect but i didnt want to make a fuss. Just pay for my glasses BUT never step back again in the future. No point to argue anyway. There are many types of opticians ard. Some care about sales, some care about profits, others care more about service. It just depends on what me as the consumer is looking for. And truthfully finding the right optician is really like finding a needle in the haystack.