The Spectacles Thread.

[warhunter]

You can take comfort in the fact that i have spent 4 times your amount to get a spec that i regretted. If you are feeling very queasy in your stomach, then how should i be feeling? Life is about experience, learning. If your $450 is well worth it there is really nothing you should feel upset about. Furthermore your old spec already scratched beyond value. You do not need to take warhunter's words too seriously. He is an optometrist. Not an end-user like us. By the time we are charged for an optom fee we are already dead by then. You should be more worried about rising lenses fees becos they are the one who are charging exorbitant fees like your crizal lens. Once a new breakthrough in lens technologoy has been researched and emerged in the market, lens manufacturers will discontinue the older versions and make the new version even more expensive. That is the way how they make $. Lenses, by the original price, are damn cheap, but they can sell you for hundereds of dollars, and the coatings dont last. MAybe that is the reason why people chose to purchase online or opt for surgery as cheaper alternatives. Lens manufacturers really are too much, from a consumer point of view.

Lol lenses are not rising in price. You should note that. Its the large companies that are calling the prices. You can look up the requirements for eye check. Its clearly stated that eye exams must be conducted on every new case. They are going to enforce it soon. By than its impossible not to charge for the longer chair time. Check out OOB website under rules and regulations.compared to where I'm at now. Prices of lenses in Singapore is way low. Everyone is fighting for the cheapest price. They are earning by the number of sale. Not price of lens. Check out the prices in aus. The price in Malaysia is a whole lot cheaper cos many of the factories are there. There is no import tax and gst **** incurred by the distributor. Thus the cheaper option is in malaysia

 

[warhunter]

You can take comfort in the fact that i have spent 4 times your amount to get a spec that i regretted. If you are feeling very queasy in your stomach, then how should i be feeling? Life is about experience, learning. If your $450 is well worth it there is really nothing you should feel upset about. Furthermore your old spec already scratched beyond value. You do not need to take warhunter's words too seriously. He is an optometrist. Not an end-user like us. By the time we are charged for an optom fee we are already dead by then. You should be more worried about rising lenses fees becos they are the one who are charging exorbitant fees like your crizal lens. Once a new breakthrough in lens technologoy has been researched and emerged in the market, lens manufacturers will discontinue the older versions and make the new version even more expensive. That is the way how they make $. Lenses, by the original price, are damn cheap, but they can sell you for hundereds of dollars, and the coatings dont last. MAybe that is the reason why people chose to purchase online or opt for surgery as cheaper alternatives. Lens manufacturers really are too much, from a consumer point of view.

Dude if u believe crizal is a good lens. Go ahead. Lol price of that piece of .... Technology rise because of all their intensive marketing. Not their quality. Go try some other brands. Personally I only like 2. Nikon and Zeiss. Hoya is next. definitely not crizal. My coats crack all the time.

 

[Seannie]

Dude if u believe crizal is a good lens. Go ahead. Lol price of that piece of .... Technology rise because of all their intensive marketing. Not their quality. Go try some other brands. Personally I only like 2. Nikon and Zeiss. Hoya is next. definitely not crizal. My coats crack all the time.

dont anyhow quote me, i never endorse crizal lenses. Read carefully my words. All im saying is that all the lenses are too expensive. I never said quality. Im saying abt prices here. Whether quality good or no good, the prices are still too high. Im toking abt selling prices. Cost prices are very low indeed. It takes just a few dollars to mass produce a pair of lenses. Please dont mislead the public here else people believe what you say and think that lenses are cheap at their rates now. Lens manufacturers are just giving excuses. Same with the optical shops, if they decide to charge optom fees. When its competitive & if optical shops are forced to do eye exams, then they will definitely got to cut down costs on the selling prices of specs in order to compete with other shops. So whether charging optom fee or not shouldnt be the main thing. Most important factor is when all the lens makers start increasing their lens prices then optical shops will have no choice but to bring the costs to us the consumers.

 

[warhunter]

dont anyhow quote me, i never endorse crizal lenses. Read carefully my words. All im saying is that all the lenses are too expensive. I never said quality. Im saying abt prices here. Whether quality good or no good, the prices are still too high. Im toking abt selling prices. Cost prices are very low indeed. It takes just a few dollars to mass produce a pair of lenses. Please dont mislead the public here else people believe what you say and think that lenses are cheap at their rates now. Lens manufacturers are just giving excuses. Same with the optical shops, if they decide to charge optom fees. When its competitive & if optical shops are forced to do eye exams, then they will definitely got to cut down costs on the selling prices of specs in order to compete with other shops. So whether charging optom fee or not shouldnt be the main thing. Most important factor is when all the lens makers start increasing their lens prices then optical shops will have no choice but to bring the costs to us the consumers.

Its up to you to say. But I know costs are increasing. The shops are just offsetting the price to you consumers. I don't benefit at all from misleading the public . I don't have a shop. Its up to you to believe or not. Its a fact that they're (shops) fighting to be the cheapest. No doubt about that

 

[Seannie]

Thus the cheaper option is in malaysia

Malaysia is not that cheaper either. At the max only 30% cheaper than sg but stilla hefty sum to pay for a pair of lens which just cost a few dollars to produce. Anywhere we go we are still being chopped carrot. Same type of lens i buy in sg they charge me $550, in msia they charge RM900 but only becos i manage to negotiate for 30% discount. In sg they are less likely to give too much discount on lenses. Furthermore i dont even know how they calculate in a package. They could have charge me lesser on the lens but have already added the cost to the frame, or vice-versa. All in all, just a lot of cheats out there.

 

[warhunter]

Malaysia is not that cheaper either. At the max only 30% cheaper than sg but stilla hefty sum to pay for a pair of lens which just cost a few dollars to produce. Anywhere we go we are still being chopped carrot. Same type of lens i buy in sg they charge me $550, in msia they charge RM900 but only becos i manage to negotiate for 30% discount. In sg they are less likely to give too much discount on lenses. Furthermore i dont even know how they calculate in a package. They could have charge me lesser on the lens but have already added the cost to the frame, or vice-versa. All in all, just a lot of cheats out there.

Like I said. Big companies are controlling the price. I give u an idea. Call up a lens company. Say u wan to start an account. Ask for quotes. You'll be surprised. Shops are not earning much. Shops are actually helping you. Fighting for cheapest among each other.

 

[Seannie]

Guys, last night there is an optician at optical 88 who said that hoya sft is going to be phased out and replaced by another hoya model. I cannot recall the name now.. Something end with LL.

He said that Optical 88 will start marketing for it, probably end of June.
Anybody care to share more of this information?

warhunter, can you pls answer more constructive questions like the one above?

 

[Seannie]

Like I said. Big companies are controlling the price. I give u an idea. Call up a lens company. Say u wan to start an account. Ask for quotes. You'll be surprised. Shops are not earning much. Shops are actually helping you. Fighting for cheapest among each other.

If you understood my posts, you will see that im mainly targeting criticising at the lens makers not at the shops.

 

[warhunter]

warhunter, can you pls answer more constructive questions like the one above?

I'm not an optician. Lens is not my rice bowl.

But hoya sft is relatively new. Either the optician talking cock. Or the big chains getting the new products first

 

[Seannie]

I'm not an optician. Lens is not my rice bowl.

But hoya sft is relatively new. Either the optician talking cock. Or the big chains getting the new products first

Easy money for optometrists, dont even need to know abt lenses. Opticians are the pathetic bunch, hard work all go to them, but not the $. Your pay check must be bigger, even though working hours are the same. Dont need to do sales either, just eye tests.

 

[warhunter]

Easy money for optometrists, dont even need to know abt lenses. Opticians are the pathetic bunch, hard work all go to them, but not the $. Your pay check must be bigger, even though working hours are the same. Dont need to do sales either, just eye tests.

Dude we need to do sales and check the patients of the opticians as well. In my previous work place optoms have higher sales targets but lesser chance to do sale. We are the pathetic bunch. After the new law. Opticians push the eye checks to us. They themselves are allowed to check eye power for people older than 8 years old. But many are plain lazy and old. Push us around with "experience" when they actually know nothing. They will come up with old tricks to scam the public. Eg. Top up money to upgrade and give u normal lens. Optometrists on the other hand need to manage your eye problems and stuff and we are made to do double work. Check for them and manage their mistakes in lens positioning and stuff.

 

[warhunter]

Dude we need to do sales and check the patients of the opticians as well. In my previous work place optoms have higher sales targets but lesser chance to do sale. We are the pathetic bunch. After the new law. Opticians push the eye checks to us. They themselves are allowed to check eye power for people older than 8 years old. But many are plain lazy and old. Push us around with "experience" when they actually know nothing. They will come up with old tricks to scam the public. Eg. Top up money to upgrade and give u normal lens. Optometrists on the other hand need to manage your eye problems and stuff and we are made to do double work. Check for them and manage their mistakes in lens positioning and stuff.

Not advertising for optometrists just stating as a matter of fact. All the old uncles u see. Try to sell your kids with lenses with anti radiation and what nots. Shouldn't be in this line anymore. Scams are all from them. I've seen my manager whos an optician. Scanning the eye with just the auto machine and give it to the kid. Can cause some serious development issues in the eye. I can't say ****. Cos we are marginalized by their age and "experience"

 

[Seannie]

Dude we need to do sales and check the patients of the opticians as well. In my previous work place optoms have higher sales targets but lesser chance to do sale.

you telling me you need to do sales, but when i ask you to reply lens question, you told me lenses not yur rice bowl?? Arent you contradictory? Just like earlier on you said cost of lenses are not high, then later post say costs are increasing.

If you dont like where you are working, why dont you slog **** for a couple more years under the experienced uncles then when you save enough open your own shop and call your own shots. Then you can do and say whatever you like, isnt that better.

 

[warhunter]

you telling me you need to do sales, but when i ask you to reply lens question, you told me lenses not yur rice bowl?? Arent you contradictory? Just like earlier on you said cost of lenses are not high, then later post say costs are increasing.

Because there is no commission for it. So it is not my ricebowl. Costs are increasing. And its not as high as where I am now. Where did I contradict? Lol

 

[warhunter]

you telling me you need to do sales, but when i ask you to reply lens question, you told me lenses not yur rice bowl?? Arent you contradictory? Just like earlier on you said cost of lenses are not high, then later post say costs are increasing.

If you dont like where you are working, why dont you slog **** for a couple more years under the experienced uncles then when you save enough open your own shop and call your own shots. Then you can do and say whatever you like, isnt that better.

Not worth to work in sg. If I open my own shop I can only earn slightly more than where I am. Singapore market is not for small practices. That's why many of them barely make it and there is high turnover rate of optometrists. You will rarely see them at the same place for a long time.

 

[Seannie]

Not worth to work in sg. If I open my own shop I can only earn slightly more than where I am. Singapore market is not for small practices. That's why many of them barely make it and there is high turnover rate of optometrists. You will rarely see them at the same place for a long time.

then for goodness sake, just stay where you are, in australia, and dont compare to sg la.

 

[warhunter]

then for goodness sake, just stay where you are, in australia, and dont compare to sg la.

Definitely

 

[623MRB1]

Guys, last night there is an optician at optical 88 who said that hoya sft is going to be phased out and replaced by another hoya model. I cannot recall the name now.. Something end with LL.

He said that Optical 88 will start marketing for it, probably end of June.
Anybody care to share more of this information?

warhunter, can you pls answer more constructive questions like the one above?

It is called HVLL (High Vision Long Life). I was told it is better than SFT coating. It is already available in Malaysia. Singapore will be getting it soon.

 

[kanashii23]

was quote 350 RM for crizal forte UV coating and essilor lens but the sales guy never mention what type of lens is it. if i opt for hoya it will be around the same price.

question : wat are the cons for this kind of lens compare to what people have recommend such as Zeiss.

please advice a noob

 

[warhunter]

was quote 350 RM for crizal forte UV coating and essilor lens but the sales guy never mention what type of lens is it. if i opt for hoya it will be around the same price.

question : wat are the cons for this kind of lens compare to what people have recommend such as Zeiss.

please advice a noob

nses are advertised based on their AR coats. The better ones I've tried really works. Worst one was my essilor lens. Different lenses have different optical quality. Not everyone can detect this difference. For myself I can feel the difference. Crizal lenses have a bit of fuzzy feeling. Not sure why but I can tell you their coat not as strong. The reason it cost so much is their advertising . Zeiss on the other hand gives you good quality. No bull**** advertisements. Most people who got them based on word of mouth. You may or may not feel the difference. That's the way the cards are dealt. Some people just have better sensitivity to blur.