The Watch Thread - Part 10

[cyrenic]

Had Retrograde and Vintage Skeleton, let go both after a bit under 2 years

Just saw your pics, really very bad. Looks like another forum member also had the same problem. Is your Esteem still ok?

 

[Henabi]

Been busy the entire day and wah!!!!! Walls of texts....

 

[Seannie]

老叻與其他大眾名牌一樣，不必靠“限量發行”，只要靠廣告來炒，製造假象，自然就有笨魚遊入漁翁的網了。

In order not to offend rolex lovers, ah yeo wrote a long reply but in short 笨鱼 YOLO.

 

[KilJim]

imho, for the money you're prepared to spend on a speedy, why not consider the omega SEAmaster professional chronometer 2254.50.

you get:
- superior water resistance (300m vs 50m).
- AUTOmatic movement vs manual winding.
- superb lume if you like lume like me.
- chronometer grade vs non-COSC.
- a better SEAmaster clasp vs SPEEDmaster clasp.
- the satisfaction that you've a rarer piece on your wrist.

but that's just me. if you're still keen on a speedy, I'm happy for you. cheers.

Thanks for the advice, let me take a look at that model
I'm relatively new to watches so still going to research a little before spending there

 

[TeenTitan01]

Yesterday went down to see the Ball engineer II pilot GMT .. the feel of the watch is solid.. I tried before Oris 65 but the feel is different.. I haven't see TV commercial before Poster also seldom .. more of omega, rolex, logines.. Maybe I will go see other brand before take a dip..

Rolex still far from my league.. want a daily beater alternative to my G shock 4 years old & seiko criteria 6years old(repair once due to my careless hit the wall causing the glass break)

if you love the ball at $3k, get it cos your enjoyment is what matters.

however, do note that the tritium gas tubes in the ball will glow half-strength in 12 yrs and will die in 25. and you'll definitely suffer a huge depreciation if you try to sell it off.

if rolex is your long-term goal, you can consider saving up a while longer and get that rolex with the money you'd otherwise spend on the ball.

a quick search turned up a pre-owned gmt master IIc ceramic bezel dated jul 2015 (means it qualifies for rolex full 5 yr warranty) can be had for $8,800 (i don't know the seller, nor am i recommending him at all - just using his ad as a price guide only).

the rolex will hold its value much better, for sure. plus the chromalight lume will glow for longer than the tritium gas tubes.

at $10/day, you can steadily save $8,800 in 2 yrs 5 months. so rolex is actually within anyone's league with disciplined saving (and a huge incentive for watch-loving smokers to quite smoking too!)

 

[TeenTitan01]

Wah you should be omega seamaster spokesperson! Omega should send you a new seamaster to be their ambassador ����

roflmao....

 

[TeenTitan01]

Thanks for the advice, let me take a look at that model
I'm relatively new to watches so still going to research a little before spending there

do note that the seamaster 2254.50 has been out of production since 2008, so what's available are pre-owned. but - it's one of the few watches that actually cost more to buy now than when it was new - so you can get a gauge of its popularity.

not saying you should get it instead of the speedy moonwatch. just something for you to consider. and if you love it enough like me, great. plus, it's current price is relatively affordable and it will hold its value in the long run. if not, be happy with what you eventually buy.

but do read more, research more. you wouldn't want to be a victim of impulse purchases like me. cheers.

 

[Ed.YEO]

是我們玩錶，還是反被“錶玩”？玩錶之好，玩錶之道。。。一字只差，不

本來這個直接回應應該是在十二點之前放上來的。。。之前遊覽器當機，打的一堆字都不見了。。。現在既然山尼師兄提起冒犯之詞。。。

Hey Ed, just a curious question from me with no offence intended. For your vast collection through the years, many of which appear to suggest that you favour Rolex homages, never occurred to you to get one of the actual watches?

Sell all and buy rolec liao

哈哈哈哈～～～
这就犹如每天叫我搭德士到文华酒店吃一餐$30的＂到地正宗＂雞饭套餐一样。只有文華是＂新加坡最正宗＂！

In order not to offend rolex lovers, ah yeo wrote a long reply but in short 笨鱼 YOLO.

聰明的魚，不會被肥大，閃亮的假魚吸引的。這種魚最難吊的。

YOLO，HFTL- You Only Life One，Hoot Fast Talk Later，對於不同論壇的錶迷並不陌生。無論在本地還是外地，有些錶迷總是強調“一生只活一次，要玩要癲要瘋就該無後顧之憂，一次過下重本。” 的確，一人只有一條命，而且還是短暫的。。。就該盡興，得個“爽”的回報就可，哪管他那麼多的。。。
但是，往往不少消費者就是被這樣一種糊塗信念給騙去，最後得到的不是“爽”，而是“哀”。

我們的日子不是只往“爽”那裡去。而是靠“規劃”來怎麼達到“爽”的目標。
買到一隻好錶是多數人的目標，但是買得多貴卻是個人的選擇。
如果一個人的收入高，他大可砸下一疊鈔票買貴錶。這是個人能力。
但是同樣收入，沒有做好規劃家庭開銷，個人三餐，交通消費等等，而砸下那筆鈔票買貴錶，那是愚笨。只為那短暫頭上的光環去買貴錶？這筆帳是怎麼算得呀？

買錶，戴錶，集錶，賞錶都是玩錶之好（愛好，嗜好）的不階段與不同開銷的需要。

沒有買錶，何來戴錶。
像某位師兄那樣，一直問呀問呀問的為的是收集資訊好能做準備買只好錶，洗去之前那負面的烙印。這也不能怪，有些剛剛踏入這興趣的新族群也會有那麼樣的反應。

沒有戴錶，何來集錶。
有些消費群不求太多，一隻好錶夠跑世界了。但是並不是人人都一樣，有些就容易貪在日日求鮮了。那麼買了一隻之後，不會停留在舊點，他會一直買，一直買，直到集到不同錶款，不同主題。。。此時，手錶已經不再只是一種報時工具，而是服飾配件了。

沒有集錶，何來賞錶。
有些人集錶來當做服飾配件，有些則是買來純粹欣賞不戴。“賞”，其實有分的。“賞值”與“賞質”。當一隻錶被拿來“賞值”的時候，很少會拿來戴的，這隻錶已經是可以拿來賣了。當一隻錶被拿來“賞質”的時候，擁有者很難會放手的。旁觀者也就只有“欣賞”的份了。

玩錶之道？何來道？
玩錶也能領悟一些道理？這可新鮮咯。。。

錶。。。就是一隻錶嘛。。。不是電子的，就是機械的。不是平價亞洲產的，就是稍貴歐洲產的嘛，有什麼道理可言？電子與機械機芯的差別也就在於規律震動來驅動秒針，分針，後時針嘛。。。電子錶停了換粒電池就可，機械停了上簧就可嘛。。。電子不准沒得修，也不值得修。機械不准送去給師傅修，帶調整，不必丟。。。有什麼難理解的？有什麼道理的？
這就要多謝另一個論壇的錶友了。
以上提到的是一般錶友知道的基本知識，也是表面上看得見的狀況。
但是更深的是我們往往忽略的，價值 與 過程。

並不是人人買不起老叻，還是大眾名錶。
有些人是有規律的存錢，為的是買只名錶。最終買到了，就變成辛勞得來的“獎勵”，這種價值是他人很難理解的。就算每天戴在手上，也會覺得自豪。撞傷刮花已經不再是顧慮了。
有些人是有規律的存錢，買了那名錶之後卻不戴，就因為怕撞傷刮花而影響那錶的二手回收價值。這辛勞得來的，變成一種“期貨”了。
有些人不存錢，但是有節制也有規劃。雖然不是高薪一族，但是懂得如何控制，與觀察接下來的薪金是否能夠承受這分期付款買來的“獎勵”。
有些人不存錢，以為手上有張卡就萬事通。今天買得了一隻，下個月還可進另一隻。。。每隻分期付款低嘛。。。YOLO！這樣的想法是最愚笨的。。。總以為“明天會更好”，卻往往沒有準備“明天會更糟”的事情會發生。就拿一隻有名又老的潛水錶來比喻吧。。。我們或許能夠用現代的防水給背蓋下的老舊防水膠圈做對換，錶冠以下的防水膠圈也換新的，是否就意味能戴這舊表去潛水咧？YOLO嘛。。。再老也要去探險一下嘛。。。誰知一去就淹死啦！為什麼？因為我們只把焦點放在防水膠圈，卻沒有留意到殘舊的錶殼，錶鏡有漏水的隱憂。。。這也就只能怪在自信太高了。。。

 

[yattokame]

Taken a few days back

 

[yattokame]

bro, dun get me wrong. a rolex sub will always be a rolex sub. it has the seh, the value retention and you feel shiok/proud that you worked hard and saved prudently to afford an iconic watch that anyone the world over recognizes. when purchased pre-owned, you can even break even easy, so it's like wearing a luxury watch (almost) rent-free. what other watches can be like that? not many.

i fell in love with the omega 2254.50 since i laid eyes on its photos. its huge triangle hour marker at 12 o'clock just grabbed my attention. i was lucky to acquire one at a good price, so i keep sharing why i love it so much - like it being oop (relative rarity), a cult watch with classic design and dial/hands that many watch lovers agree is handsome, has date window color matching the dial, gorgeous wave dial, with lume that can go toe-to-toe with a seiko monster, chronometer-grade movement, slim, slight dome single AR coated sapphire crystal, excellent clasp, beautiful speedy-style bracelet, short lyre-style lugs (= no overhang + 41mm case can be worn by people with modest wrist), re-sale price well-maintained, etc.

every one of us has our own unique taste. just buy what we fancy and catches our eyes.
our money, we spend on what we like and within our means can liao. we wear also song.

 

[AyuReady]

Happy Friday!

 

[reikizi]

every one of us has our own unique taste. just buy what we fancy and catches our eyes.
our money, we spend on what we like and within our means can liao. we wear also song.

strongly agree with buy what we like and within means .. like an old saying one man meat is another poison

for me within means is when you have left aside an certain amount for rainy days, kids expense (education, tour , ...) anything extra then mean within means

last sentence is most correct .. Wear also song !!

 

[Seannie]

聰明的魚，不會被肥大，閃亮的假魚吸引的。這種魚最難吊的。

一人只有一條命，而且還是短暫的。。。就該盡興，得個“爽”的回報就可，哪管他那麼多的。。。
最後得到的是“爽"

我們的日子是只往“爽”那裡去。
如果一個人的收入高，他大可砸下一疊鈔票買貴錶。這是個人能力。

今天只有一个字 "爽" !!!!!!

 

[Ed.YEO]

今天只有一个字 "爽" !!!!!!

哈～～～
当然！一大清早有得爽，接下去的几个钟头直到下班，心情肯定好得不得了！

 

[Emospence]

if you love the ball at $3k, get it cos your enjoyment is what matters.

however, do note that the tritium gas tubes in the ball will glow half-strength in 12 yrs and will die in 25. and you'll definitely suffer a huge depreciation if you try to sell it off.

if rolex is your long-term goal, you can consider saving up a while longer and get that rolex with the money you'd otherwise spend on the ball.

a quick search turned up a pre-owned gmt master IIc ceramic bezel dated jul 2015 (means it qualifies for rolex full 5 yr warranty) can be had for $8,800 (i don't know the seller, nor am i recommending him at all - just using his ad as a price guide only]).

the rolex will hold its value much better, for sure. plus the chromalight lume will glow for longer than the tritium gas tubes.

at $10/day, you can steadily save $8,800 in 2 yrs 5 months. so rolex is actually within anyone's league with disciplined saving (and a huge incentive for watch-loving smokers to quite smoking too!)

I don't agree with recommending based on value retention but this, this I agree with

 

[Emospence]

Just saw your pics, really very bad. Looks like another forum member also had the same problem. Is your Esteem still ok?

I don't have an Esteem but don't mind if you want to send me one

Maybe is just my sweat corrosive. My BB wallet after 3 years the back side (side that always against my butt) leather also cui..

 

[Emospence]

bro, dun get me wrong. a rolex sub will always be a rolex sub. it has the seh, the value retention and you feel shiok/proud that you worked hard and saved prudently to afford an iconic watch that anyone the world over recognizes. when purchased pre-owned, you can even break even easy, so it's like wearing a luxury watch (almost) rent-free. what other watches can be like that? not many.

i fell in love with the omega 2254.50 since i laid eyes on its photos. its huge triangle hour marker at 12 o'clock just grabbed my attention. i was lucky to acquire one at a good price, so i keep sharing why i love it so much - like it being oop (relative rarity), a cult watch with classic design and dial/hands that many watch lovers agree is handsome, has date window color matching the dial, gorgeous wave dial, with lume that can go toe-to-toe with a seiko monster, chronometer-grade movement, slim, slight dome single AR coated sapphire crystal, excellent clasp, beautiful speedy-style bracelet, short lyre-style lugs (= no overhang + 41mm case can be worn by people with modest wrist), re-sale price well-maintained, etc.

Ok la, I guess I get your pt regarding the rent-free part. But best is of course buy something you really love and keep it the rest of your life.

Glad to see someone love their watch so much

 

[sleepyman]

uber faded bezel + even dial patina ftw!

Thanks bro. Loving this to bits too!

Curious why some ppl are taking pot shots at this brand..
Every time i sell these pieces.. its an average 15% gain. Not that i wanna sell.. but offers are simply too good!

 

[All in a Day]

本來這個直接回應應該是在十二點之前放上來的。。。之前遊覽器當機，打的一堆字都不見了。。。現在既然山尼師兄提起冒犯之詞。。。



聰明的魚，不會被肥大，閃亮的假魚吸引的。這種魚最難吊的。

YOLO，HFTL- You Only Life One，Hoot Fast Talk Later，對於不同論壇的錶迷並不陌生。無論在本地還是外地，有些錶迷總是強調“一生只活一次，要玩要癲要瘋就該無後顧之憂，一次過下重本。” 的確，一人只有一條命，而且還是短暫的。。。就該盡興，得個“爽”的回報就可，哪管他那麼多的。。。
但是，往往不少消費者就是被這樣一種糊塗信念給騙去，最後得到的不是“爽”，而是“哀”。

我們的日子不是只往“爽”那裡去。而是靠“規劃”來怎麼達到“爽”的目標。
買到一隻好錶是多數人的目標，但是買得多貴卻是個人的選擇。
如果一個人的收入高，他大可砸下一疊鈔票買貴錶。這是個人能力。
但是同樣收入，沒有做好規劃家庭開銷，個人三餐，交通消費等等，而砸下那筆鈔票買貴錶，那是愚笨。只為那短暫頭上的光環去買貴錶？這筆帳是怎麼算得呀？

買錶，戴錶，集錶，賞錶都是玩錶之好（愛好，嗜好）的不階段與不同開銷的需要。

沒有買錶，何來戴錶。
像某位師兄那樣，一直問呀問呀問的為的是收集資訊好能做準備買只好錶，洗去之前那負面的烙印。這也不能怪，有些剛剛踏入這興趣的新族群也會有那麼樣的反應。

沒有戴錶，何來集錶。
有些消費群不求太多，一隻好錶夠跑世界了。但是並不是人人都一樣，有些就容易貪在日日求鮮了。那麼買了一隻之後，不會停留在舊點，他會一直買，一直買，直到集到不同錶款，不同主題。。。此時，手錶已經不再只是一種報時工具，而是服飾配件了。

沒有集錶，何來賞錶。
有些人集錶來當做服飾配件，有些則是買來純粹欣賞不戴。“賞”，其實有分的。“賞值”與“賞質”。當一隻錶被拿來“賞值”的時候，很少會拿來戴的，這隻錶已經是可以拿來賣了。當一隻錶被拿來“賞質”的時候，擁有者很難會放手的。旁觀者也就只有“欣賞”的份了。

玩錶之道？何來道？
玩錶也能領悟一些道理？這可新鮮咯。。。

錶。。。就是一隻錶嘛。。。不是電子的，就是機械的。不是平價亞洲產的，就是稍貴歐洲產的嘛，有什麼道理可言？電子與機械機芯的差別也就在於規律震動來驅動秒針，分針，後時針嘛。。。電子錶停了換粒電池就可，機械停了上簧就可嘛。。。電子不准沒得修，也不值得修。機械不准送去給師傅修，帶調整，不必丟。。。有什麼難理解的？有什麼道理的？
這就要多謝另一個論壇的錶友了。
以上提到的是一般錶友知道的基本知識，也是表面上看得見的狀況。
但是更深的是我們往往忽略的，價值 與 過程。

並不是人人買不起老叻，還是大眾名錶。
有些人是有規律的存錢，為的是買只名錶。最終買到了，就變成辛勞得來的“獎勵”，這種價值是他人很難理解的。就算每天戴在手上，也會覺得自豪。撞傷刮花已經不再是顧慮了。
有些人是有規律的存錢，買了那名錶之後卻不戴，就因為怕撞傷刮花而影響那錶的二手回收價值。這辛勞得來的，變成一種“期貨”了。
有些人不存錢，但是有節制也有規劃。雖然不是高薪一族，但是懂得如何控制，與觀察接下來的薪金是否能夠承受這分期付款買來的“獎勵”。
有些人不存錢，以為手上有張卡就萬事通。今天買得了一隻，下個月還可進另一隻。。。每隻分期付款低嘛。。。YOLO！這樣的想法是最愚笨的。。。總以為“明天會更好”，卻往往沒有準備“明天會更糟”的事情會發生。就拿一隻有名又老的潛水錶來比喻吧。。。我們或許能夠用現代的防水給背蓋下的老舊防水膠圈做對換，錶冠以下的防水膠圈也換新的，是否就意味能戴這舊表去潛水咧？YOLO嘛。。。再老也要去探險一下嘛。。。誰知一去就淹死啦！為什麼？因為我們只把焦點放在防水膠圈，卻沒有留意到殘舊的錶殼，錶鏡有漏水的隱憂。。。這也就只能怪在自信太高了。。。

Honestly wanted to TLDR.. this chinese text thing under WOT mode, does get on my nerves , but since I was the one who asked the question, I feel obliged to read through.

Do not agree with some of your analogies or IMHO somewhat dismissive conclusion that marketing > horological significance, but I respect your perspectives. End of the day, as several guys have pointed out, we spend our money and pursue our hobby the way we like to. No right or wrong, so long there is no ethically questionable behaviour involved. Appreciate your replies; I can imagine the thought and effort put into them. Your passion in watches (and languages) is IMHO very commendable too! Cheers and TGIF

 

[All in a Day]

Thanks bro. Loving this to bits too!

Curious why some ppl are taking pot shots at this brand..
Every time i sell these pieces.. its an average 15% gain. Not that i wanna sell.. but offers are simply too good!

Can see u are a vintage rolex guy and from the pics posted, they do look pretty good!

Where do u usually get your vintages and any tips on your usual routine to ensure authenticity/non-franken? TIA!