Thinning Hair problem

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stallone,

why not you do less treatment for the 1st part as it is mainly cleansing and nourishing.
save the money and spend it on the regrow hair part?

and btw, i though once follicles closed, they are gone. how do they intend to regrow the hair?

also, did they mention what you would need to do after completing all their treatment?
for eg, use certain drugs to maintain the way things are.

the cleansing n nourishing is the foundation, needs to be done thoroughly.. moreover, it's a package, n it's cheaper now liao due to the promotion, used to be more expensive..

as for the follicles, the tricho did a scan on my scalp, my "holes" only haf one single strand of hair, usually it has 3.. the hair growing part will make it produce more than one single strand on a "hole"

for follicles dying, as i said, she said i'm still young(23), n my situation is not dat bad, got gd chance of reviving some if not all..

n she said once my hair is back to its former state, i dun haf to continue treatment anymore. But i think i'll buy their shampoo la, dun wan to go thru hairloss again if svenson succeeds in getting my hair back..
 

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the cleansing n nourishing is the foundation, needs to be done thoroughly.. moreover, it's a package, n it's cheaper now liao due to the promotion, used to be more expensive..

as for the follicles, the tricho did a scan on my scalp, my "holes" only haf one single strand of hair, usually it has 3.. the hair growing part will make it produce more than one single strand on a "hole"

for follicles dying, as i said, she said i'm still young(23), n my situation is not dat bad, got gd chance of reviving some if not all..

n she said once my hair is back to its former state, i dun haf to continue treatment anymore. But i think i'll buy their shampoo la, dun wan to go thru hairloss again if svenson succeeds in getting my hair back..

did she say wat's the cause of yr hairloss?
 

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stallone,

whats your degree of hairloss under the norwood chart now?
do take photos and let us see the difference.
and like donald83 asked, whats the cause?

all the best in getting ALL your hair back. :)
 

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the cleansing n nourishing is the foundation, needs to be done thoroughly.. moreover, it's a package, n it's cheaper now liao due to the promotion, used to be more expensive..

as for the follicles, the tricho did a scan on my scalp, my "holes" only haf one single strand of hair, usually it has 3.. the hair growing part will make it produce more than one single strand on a "hole"

for follicles dying, as i said, she said i'm still young(23), n my situation is not dat bad, got gd chance of reviving some if not all..

n she said once my hair is back to its former state, i dun haf to continue treatment anymore. But i think i'll buy their shampoo la, dun wan to go thru hairloss again if svenson succeeds in getting my hair back..

looking forward to hear from you on your result.

although i still hold back alot on trichology, i am open to idea.

however do look out for treatment that include proven treatment like minoxidil or finasteride that they might add in the overall package. some trichology make use of proven treatment as part of their package and claim the result as their own.

good luck.
 

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got some extra original brand name proscar for sales.

$50 for 30pills. expire in 2010.

do me a PM if interested. thanks.
 

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If I go to the clinic below my blk, will they be able to prescribe me proscar??

roughly how much is the cost?
 

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If I go to the clinic below my blk, will they be able to prescribe me proscar??

roughly how much is the cost?
most doctor should have no problem writing a script for you if you can explain to them how you going to use it as propecia. the prescription should cost only $5 or so.

in singapore, i not so sure of proscar price anymore. should be around $120 or so.
 

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recently there are lots of dead skin start peeling from my itchy scalp and the thinning problem is getting worse.

I don't really want to take medicine due to the side effects and I dont want to take such medicine for the rest of my life.

anyone tried shave off everything once and for all? what are the pro and cons?
 

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recently there are lots of dead skin start peeling from my itchy scalp and the thinning problem is getting worse.

I don't really want to take medicine due to the side effects and I dont want to take such medicine for the rest of my life.

anyone tried shave off everything once and for all? what are the pro and cons?

why u so special??

joined sept 1999??????
 

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after reading the whole thread, i have sent our local expert - Mr ISO a list of comprehensive to do, to eat and to cure list. hopefully he have time to reply me here or via pm and then we can take this as a reference

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Can i also check with you are you still using the emu oil or the retina A cream to halp in hair growth?


If i am to have the following in my combat against hair loss, can you help to comment?


1. Emu oil ( just apply on head?)
2 . retin A cream ( just apply on head?)
3 . Proscar -
3. Rogaine Foam -
4. Miconazole Nitrate ? any idea where to get
5. Pil food ?
6. Zinc supplement

Shampoo

1. Nizoral and Kaminomoto ( cheaper then body shop giner shampoo) ??
or

2. Nizoral and Bodyshop giner shampoo (got sodium laure )?? + Tea tree shampoo ( without sodium laurel) for daily use

Thanks in advance>>>>
 

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supergmail:
i am impress with your patient having reading through the whole thread!!! you certainly are one of the "rare" one. on a serious note, it hard to find people with such patient. anyway, i just a balding dude, far away from been an expert but i try to answer your questions the best i can.

1) No, i am no longer using emu oil and retin A as i am trying other stuffs. out of these 2, most likely i will only get on retin A.

2) you apply emu oil to scalp. in the study of emu oil, they need to apply it 3times per day for the result. you can just leave it on your scalp for 20-30mins before washing off. but i find apply oil and so many time per day a big put off. but if you can do that, i think emu oil is certainly helpful in a way for MPB.

3) apply Retin-A to scalp. there are cases of very bad reaction to retin-A. so start slowly and build-up over time. Retin-A have been show to work on it own but it merit come with using together with minoxidil. but again, take this treatment easy.

4) nothing much to say about proscar. you better get on it if your hairloss is due to MPB. it the base of treating MPB unless you are getting side effect. there are also others unproven method to reduce androgen effect on hair if that the case.

5) due to a recent release of rogaine foam study, there is alot of doubt whether does it work better then the liquid version. so i will suggest sticking with the liquid version as most likely it work better and cheaper unless you are sensitive to PPG.

6) Miconazole Nitrate can be get rather cheap in most pharmacy. it an anti-fungal cream you can pick up on the shelf. remember this is rather experiment. so use it with caution although MN cream is rather safe use. dillute it with a some water when using.

7) Pil food?(??? what that???)

8) zinc supplement does not stop hairloss unless your hairloss is due to lacking of this mineral which is unlikely in modern diet. it a cheap supplement and if there is a need, just get those with 15mg per day. it help in overall health too.

9) from experience and what i read, shampoo does very little for hair loss but it still important as part of your treatment. some shampoo still have pretty good science behind it. Generic nizoral is cheap($10 for 120ml) and you only need it twice a week so i see no reason not using it unless it give you side effect like i experience. i got big chunk of skins dropping of my scalp while using it over the years although i wonder why i didn't link it to nizoral. after switching to PTO shampoo, my scalp condition is alot better. PTO shampoo is say to work better then nizoral although it have less backing. i just use loreal anti-dandruff shampoo which cost a cheap $10 for 400ml since i know most shampoo does very little for hairloss. sodium laurel is pretty safe for daily use so don't worry too much.


hope it help. cheers.
 

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just some thought of mine in treating MPB. as human MPB is a complex problem, we need to cover more then 1 area to be effective. of course, some of my idea might not be accurate and in no way exhaustive. i no expert.

1) androgen - male hormone is tot to be the main trigger of MPB. anti-androgen treatment is the main treatment for MPB and result so far is not that good. for some reason, once MPB started, anti-androgen is not that effective anymore as hairloss could be caused by other factors that continue even after anti-androgen treatment. it could be more effective for people knowing genetically they will be bald and start anti-androgen treatment before sign of MPB. still, anti-androgen treatment should be part of any treatment.

2) immunolgical - this theory started by Dr. Proctor. he noted hair loss follicle look like organ reject mircoscopically and immune system cells seem to cluster around the base of hair follicle. anti-organ reject drugs also seem to work much better to regain hair then anti-androgen drugs.

3) scalp follicle health - immune system attacking of follicle bring thinning of blood vessel lining which result in reduce growth factor supply. also, it cause atrophy and fibrosis of hair follicle until hair growth is not possible anymore.

4) Superoxide free radical - superoxide is a possible inflammation messager and it might destroy grow factors.

5) Normal aging - this part should be self explanation. so a healthy diet and lifestyle should be part of treating hairloss. it is important to keep your biological age as young as possible despite your chrono age.

6) Growth factor - it might be important to add growth factor in your treatment since it is greatly reduce due to some of the above mention cause.
 

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just some thought of mine in treating MPB. as human MPB is a complex problem, we need to cover more then 1 area to be effective. of course, some of my idea might not be accurate and in no way exhaustive. i no expert.

1) androgen - male hormone is tot to be the main trigger of MPB. anti-androgen treatment is the main treatment for MPB and result so far is not that good. for some reason, once MPB started, anti-androgen is not that effective anymore as hairloss could be caused by other factors that continue even after anti-androgen treatment. it could be more effective for people knowing genetically they will be bald and start anti-androgen treatment before sign of MPB. still, anti-androgen treatment should be part of any treatment.

2) immunolgical - this theory started by Dr. Proctor. he noted hair loss follicle look like organ reject mircoscopically and immune system cells seem to cluster around the base of hair follicle. anti-organ reject drugs also seem to work much better to regain hair then anti-androgen drugs.

3) scalp follicle health - immune system attacking of follicle bring thinning of blood vessel lining which result in reduce growth factor supply. also, it cause atrophy and fibrosis of hair follicle until hair growth is not possible anymore.

4) Superoxide free radical - superoxide is a possible inflammation messager and it might destroy grow factors.

5) Normal aging - this part should be self explanation. so a healthy diet and lifestyle should be part of treating hairloss. it is important to keep your biological age as young as possible despite your chrono age.

6) Growth factor - it might be important to add growth factor in your treatment since it is greatly reduce due to some of the above mention cause.

Point 1,5,6 are well-known to most of us.. It is point 2,3,4 that is hard to understand. Is there a wayl to test these symdromes? We can't be kept eating fin or using mino for the rest of our life unless we know the cause of our MPB.
Blood test help?
 

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Point 1,5,6 are well-known to most of us.. It is point 2,3,4 that is hard to understand. Is there a wayl to test these symdromes? We can't be kept eating fin or using mino for the rest of our life unless we know the cause of our MPB.
Blood test help?


ya i agree, is there anyway to tell which is the factor causing hairloss for us? its not that im trying to deny having the possibility of MPB, but it would be good if we can pinpoint the true cause of our problem. it may not be DHT in some cases but we just thought so.
 

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coolraider and UnlimitedBladeWorks:

MPB is a complex problem for human. Stumptail Macaque is used for finasteride early dosage test and it cure almost 100% of their balding problem. unlike human, anti-androgen is not very effective for our balding problem as it is very likely that the balding process is cause by mulitple factors. so to me, a more complete treatment should cover a wide range of possible underlying factor.

i spare the details here unless you guys is really interested. the other points i mention although is not tested directly against balding, small scale tests and observation sugguest it link to MPB. there are patent hold in many drugs that have effect on these factors for MPB.

sadly, there is no way we can test these factors involve yet. it is still open for debate whether all this is causing MPB. but overall, one thing you can rest assure if you are suffering for MPB, anti-androgen does play an important role in controlling hairloss. to detect your type of hairloss is not too hard. a good doctor with experience should be able to determine.
 
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