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[darknite]

As for what dnsfpl posted, I have to agree that there might be a monitoring lag leading to the situation but there is no doubt the authorities are monitoring the situation and by no means trying to fool Singaporeans.

The last time they also said they don't raise price.

windwaver, good to know that the authorities are monitoring the air level!

cet87, make an apple to apple comparison please. we're talking about NEA, not political party manifesto. if you have any data or research that contradicts NEA's findings, please share cos we all would love to hear them. if not, i doubt kopitiam ramblings value add to whatever is being presented by TS.

 

[windwaver]

windwaver, good to know that the authorities are monitoring the air level!

cet87, make an apple to apple comparison please. we're talking about NEA, not political party manifesto. if you have any data or research that contradicts NEA's findings, please share cos we all would love to hear them. if not, i doubt kopitiam ramblings value add to whatever is being presented by TS.

Precisely. What most people do is just talk but nothing done (just like some jokers in office).

I took the extra step of proving it. I know science isn't everything but anything not scientific is even worse.

I have no problem if some scientist monitor the air quality and go tell NEA something is not right. In fact, I'll like to see somebody go do that and prove NEA wrong.

 

[windwaver]

the comments we posted are opinion, not news

you sound like 90.5fm, if so this discussion will lead you to no where

are you staying in or near that area?

i feel that you are more concern about the property price than pollute levels

Ya, think he is. Try to sell your property in the morning, at least the flare not so obvious.

Some people here are just spreading false information and no, I don't live in that area. I have seen plenty of these people (not you) in every BTO launch. Not to mention names but it's the same names over and over again. Either that, it's the same person with a different nick posting the same anti government statements.

 

[hindsight]

I guess everybody have their rights to believe what the authorities said but personally I trust the words of the Singapore government.

Do you think NEA will risk their reputation just because of a few BTOs near Pasir Gudang?

We are not talking about "a few BTOs" here. The entire north/northeastern part of Singapore is affected by this, we are talking about hundreds of thousands of residents, all of whom will be incensed if NEA come out and say the air quality is bad but there is nothing they can do about it.

 

[hindsight]

There's been ppl living around punggol point ( also known as punggol end during the 80s ) , from track 17 onwards , those BIG houses I mean .... they don't seem to have problem after so many years , even until today , they are still there , so don't worry about the air quality..... if you look at the traffic around us , I think it's worst ! Carbon everywhere

Many of the petrochemical plants were not there in the 80s, iirc many of them only sprang up in the last 15-20 years.

And yes pollution from traffic in Singapore is horrible, but its not something that you are exposed to when you are at home (unless you live on the 3rd floor along a main road or something).

 

[tekster]

Many of the petrochemical plants were not there in the 80s, iirc many of them only sprang up in the last 15-20 years.

And yes pollution from traffic in Singapore is horrible, but its not something that you are exposed to when you are at home (unless you live on the 3rd floor along a main road or something).

So for lasr 15-20 years, that period of time is not long enough? How long then is considered long?

 

[windwaver]

I have no problem if some scientist monitor the air quality and go tell NEA something is not right. In fact, I'll like to see somebody go do that and prove NEA wrong.

We are not talking about "a few BTOs" here. The entire north/northeastern part of Singapore is affected by this, we are talking about hundreds of thousands of residents, all of whom will be incensed if NEA come out and say the air quality is bad but there is nothing they can do about it.

Many of the petrochemical plants were not there in the 80s, iirc many of them only sprang up in the last 15-20 years.

And yes pollution from traffic in Singapore is horrible, but its not something that you are exposed to when you are at home (unless you live on the 3rd floor along a main road or something).

Not sure about you guys but I have seen plenty of bashing in many threads in many forums about people living in 'slum', 'polluted' estates in Singapore. Although I do not live in any of those estates but I do not believe in bashing my own countrymen.

Not sure how many of those bashing came from foreigners but I know if Singaporeans do not stand together, we will lose.

I took the first step to contact the authorities for clarification. As much as I want to, that's the best I can do scientifically. So as a fellow Singaporean, we can work together as to solve this problem. Bashing fellow Singaporeans doesn't do our country any good at all.

 

[cloverpark]

Not sure about you guys but I have seen plenty of bashing in many threads in many forums about people living in 'slum', 'polluted' estates in Singapore. Although I do not live in any of those estates but I do not believe in bashing my own countrymen.

Not sure how many of those bashing came from foreigners but I know if Singaporeans do not stand together, we will lose.

I took the first step to contact the authorities for clarification. As much as I want to, that's the best I can do scientifically. So as a fellow Singaporean, we can work together as to solve this problem. Bashing fellow Singaporeans doesn't do our country any good at all.

The 'slum' news originates from state media that selectively choose news to report. Reason is not clear why they are doing this, but it maybe to make Punggol and JLD look more appealing to new buyers.

Since there's no information from the authorities, we do not know if the current level of pollution in the north east is serious enough to be a health hazard, but one thing we know is that the industrial parks north east of Singapore are still being expanded with more refineries to be added over the next few years.

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...ign-pacts-to-strengthen-bilateral-cooperation

PUTRAJAYA - Saudi Arabia's national oil company will invest US$7 billion (S$9.84 billion) to set up an oil refinery in Malaysia's ambitious Pengerang Integrated Petroleum Complex (PIPC), a deal that Prime Minister Najib Razak said was the single largest investment in the project led by state-run oil company Petronas.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/petronas-installs-waste-heat-boilers-113525467.html

KUALA LUMPUR: Petroliam Nasional Bhd (Petronas) has installed two modularised waste heat boilers for its refinery, which is currently under construction at the Pengerang Integrated Complex (PIC).

 

[windwaver]

Good post; how about asking NEA's opinion on those news?

As for state media. I guess they get their news from some public contributors as well. Combined with the need to generate news and increase viewership, it's normal that they publish it in bad light.

Imagine they include NEA's monitoring results (which is considered healthy), that'll likely make the news less interesting.

Nevertheless, that doesn't mean Singaporeans should start bashing each other. I really wonder if a person feels happy seeing another person suffer. I think that person really should go see a doctor.

For me, Singapore is my country and Singaporeans are my countrymen. I intend to work with my countrymen to build this country, not bash them.

 

[windwaver]

Good post; how about asking NEA's opinion on those news?

As for state media. I guess they get their news from some public contributors as well. Combined with the need to generate news and increase viewership, it's normal that they publish it in bad light.

Imagine they include NEA's monitoring results (which is considered healthy), that'll likely make the news less interesting.

Nevertheless, that doesn't mean Singaporeans should start bashing each other. I really wonder if a person feels happy seeing another person suffer. I think that person really should go see a doctor.

For me, Singapore is my country and Singaporeans are my countrymen. I intend to work with my countrymen to build this country, not bash them.

Anybody stay in the bungalows of Punggol 17th Avenue? Maybe they can provide good feedback on the air quality. Think it's not cheap by all means, 2M to 8M .

 

[Zach.Ho]

I don't live there but my mum who is working in Jurong Island (same types of oil refineries?) inside an enclosed office recently developed eye pain and nose problems just by working there for only 4 months but could be because she might be more sensitive to these chemicals

 

[windwaver]

I don't live there but my mum who is working in Jurong Island (same types of oil refineries?) inside an enclosed office recently developed eye pain and nose problems just by working there for only 4 months but could be because she might be more sensitive to these chemicals

Might be possible and Jurong is one of those "slum", "polluted" estates bashed by a lot of people. I think the island is nearer to us than Pasir Gudang.

Good point, has anybody asked NEA on that as well?

 

[Zach.Ho]

Might be possible and Jurong is one of those "slum", "polluted" estates bashed by a lot of people. I think the island is nearer to us than Pasir Gudang.

Good point, has anybody asked NEA on that as well?

Jurong not that bad la....staying in Jurong for 17 years and really not much problem with air quality except for haze period but i think Taman Jurong is the worst....clean the window of school classroom and the next day an layer of dust would have formed and we were able to draw faces in the windows

 

[windwaver]

Jurong not that bad la....staying in Jurong for 17 years and really not much problem with air quality except for haze period but i think Taman Jurong is the worst....clean the window of school classroom and the next day an layer of dust would have formed and we were able to draw faces in the windows

Come to think of it, I had an ex colleague that stay in Taman Jurong. I'll try to catch up with him one of these days .

 

[Nobody1122]

IMO

From another perspective I can also say you selectively choose wat to believe cause Windwaver has already gotten NEA's reply on pollution matters but some choose to ignore.

So who is right or who is wrong ?

How do you determine your news source is more genuine than mine ?

The 'slum' news originates from state media that selectively choose news to report. Reason is not clear why they are doing this, but it maybe to make Punggol and JLD look more appealing to new buyers.

Since there's no information from the authorities, we do not know if the current level of pollution in the north east is serious enough to be a health hazard, but one thing we know is that the industrial parks north east of Singapore are still being expanded with more refineries to be added over the next few years.

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...ign-pacts-to-strengthen-bilateral-cooperation



https://sg.news.yahoo.com/petronas-installs-waste-heat-boilers-113525467.html

 

[yeahyeah]

The 'slum' news originates from state media that selectively choose news to report. Reason is not clear why they are doing this, but it maybe to make Punggol and JLD look more appealing to new buyers.

Since there's no information from the authorities, we do not know if the current level of pollution in the north east is serious enough to be a health hazard, but one thing we know is that the industrial parks north east of Singapore are still being expanded with more refineries to be added over the next few years.

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...ign-pacts-to-strengthen-bilateral-cooperation



https://sg.news.yahoo.com/petronas-installs-waste-heat-boilers-113525467.html

Like Windwaver and I have said in another thread, Pengerang - where all the oil and gas industries are - is not Pasir Gudang. Pengerang is southeast of Tekong. Nearest lands in Singapore are Changi Airport and the eastern HDB estates. Relax...

 

[OahidY]

anyway i agreed with windwaver on the findings from NEA and im sure the gov will do something if the air quality is very bad at punggol. Dont think the gov will take risk and give false info to the public just to please the mass.

 

[windwaver]

IMO

From another perspective I can also say you selectively choose wat to believe cause Windwaver has already gotten NEA's reply on pollution matters but some choose to ignore.

So who is right or who is wrong ?

How do you determine your news source is more genuine than mine ?

I respect everybody's opinions but getting NEA to revisit their methods will take more than just me. If enough people feels that NEA needs to address this issue in a more holistic manner than it will take a collective effort to do this.

However, NEA's current numbers are the best we have so far in terms of air quality. This is not just Pasir Gudang's problem, it is a problem of other areas of Singapore (labelled 'slum', 'pollution') as well.

anyway i agreed with windwaver on the findings from NEA and im sure the gov will do something if the air quality is very bad at punggol. Dont think the gov will take risk and give false info to the public just to please the mass.

I believe the results from NEA to be absolute truth but more explanation for the results might offer more assurance to the general public.

 

[EraStar]

Anybody stay in the bungalows of Punggol 17th Avenue? Maybe they can provide good feedback on the air quality. Think it's not cheap by all means, 2M to 8M .

That's where my friend lived since 80s, and still now , happily retired , you go and ask them about air quality?? Who cares ? I'm still standing here !

 

[windwaver]

That's where my friend lived since 80s, and still now , happily retired , you go and ask them about air quality?? Who cares ? I'm still standing here !

Frankly, I kind of like that private plot because unlike other plots, it's usually quite easy to find parking . Being isolated also means more peace and the lower price is good.

Any idea how much your friend's property has appreciated?